mfbukowski Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 10 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said: "They are almost certainly wrestling with their own demons" Or recalling their youth. At that age I'd be flipping out to be with all those girls, and probably not thinking about anything else.
gopher Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 This sounds like the work of an overprotective wife of a mission president. And the obligatory.... 1
Popular Post Hamba Tuhan Posted October 20, 2019 Popular Post Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: Or recalling their youth. At that age I'd be flipping out to be with all those girls, and probably not thinking about anything else. As I said, we inevitably bring our personal demons into situations with us. By the way, the convention was a huge success. We had just over 100 attendees. At the end of 2.5 days, dozens of young people told us how spiritually edified they felt. Numerous testimonies on the Sunday included expressions of how important they had realised it was to include Institute in their future study plans. Our local YSAs were brilliant mentors and role models. Absolutely nothing even remotely untoward happened. Edited October 20, 2019 by Hamba Tuhan 6
MorningStar Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 But their ankles and lower legs are showing. The jackets need to be longer! 2
Tacenda Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said: As I said, we inevitably bring our personal demons into situations with us. By the way, the convention was a huge success. We had just over 100 attendees. At the end of 2.5 days, dozens of young people told us how spiritually edified they felt. Numerous testimonies on the Sunday included expressions of how important they had realised it was to include Institute in their future study plans. Our local YSAs were brilliant mentors and role models. Absolutely nothing even remotely untoward happened. I'm a little dense sometimes, what was the specific reason those stake leaders didn't want you to go through with it again?
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Tacenda said: I'm a little dense sometimes, what was the specific reason those stake leaders didn't want you to go through with it again? They were worried about morality/chastity issues.
Bernard Gui Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 14 hours ago, Maidservant said: ? Are you referring to circumcision? Well, of a sort, but not the usual connotation of the word.
Bernard Gui Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, MustardSeed said: Awesome. I now have the perfect formula (besides my personality) for staying a faithful member but avoiding leadership callings. Keep wearing what I wear and avoid solid jackets. Right. And I thought having a big mustache would keep me from being in a bishopric or a highcouncilman. Nor will you ever be in the Congress or run for President. Edited October 21, 2019 by Bernard Gui
Bernard Gui Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, Maidservant said: I also mentioned that I don't understand myself yet either. Thanks for giving me a chance to continue to suss it out (not in them, but in me). I guess neither of us knows, but of course there's (theoretically) a range of options for how this took/takes place. I tend to think there would have been direction given, yes. It doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would have been skipped over as an aspect of representation (such as is done for missionaries). And the level of desire and need to follow the direction would have been high, and the consequences for not following also high, even if one also technically retained a choice (which we always do). You keep using higher level emotional words that I very deliberately do not. "Ordered", "wrong," "objectionable," etc. I'm talking about how I felt when I realized (this last conference) that in order to be a follower of Christ, the highest kind of woman, I need to be in a suit, in public church leadership at the very least. Lace not allowed (making this up, obviously I don't really have the dress guidelines). Other kinds of dress lines not allowed. Etc etc etc. It's silly really, that it needs to be done, and some must need to see it as a measure of their authority or their reverence or whatever is behind it. What is behind it? That's what I'm asking, so don't ask me. What could possibly be behind it that is of any worth? But why do it at all if there's not an intention behind it that is meant to be gospel connected? Even if it's meant to be benevolent, such as someone suggesting to focus on the message, again, why are we so juvenile as human beings that we can't be trusted to see the message in any case, and that the accepted wisdom is that message is best presented by sameness, not a variety, or either/neither? I said I do not see myself in the suit wearing, and that's what I meant (no more, no less). So then it causes some reflection (which is not a bad thing), is it me or is it them? And, of course, my perspective is my responsibility. But if I could have whoever came up with it (if that's indeed what happened), Jesus included, I would personally tell them. . . "Can you see how attaching a certain kind of clothing to the gospel might not be okay at the deepest [not surface!] level?" For men and women. Really? Ha ha. I'm glad we're way past bloomers. When it comes to the requirements of women's clothing (NOT choice), the 1800s is not where we want to go. Shake that dust off my feet. I'm trying to get into the future. What do you mean? Emma’s jacket/sweater/stole, whatever it is. as well as all those other female LDS leaders. Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton, Angela Merkel, Nancy Pelosi, Rashida Tlaib, and AOC almost always wear suits when acting in an official capacity....and all these ladies... https://repwilson.wordpress.com/2016/07/26/dnc-day-2-democratic-women-of-the-house/ It’s the going garb for ladies in authority. I don’t understand why this is an issue, but I’m no lady, of course. I guess, IMO, I mean there are other important things to worry about. Edited October 21, 2019 by Bernard Gui 2
Bernard Gui Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 8 hours ago, mfbukowski said: So if guys go topless at the beach, women should as well? Is there any demarcation whatsoever indicating an unequal status in dress that is politically correct now? Watch it, Bro. 🙂
Bernard Gui Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, gopher said: This sounds like the work of an overprotective wife of a mission president. And the obligatory.... Yeah. Those guys on the moto have some nice ankles. Edited October 21, 2019 by Bernard Gui
Bernard Gui Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said: They were worried about morality/chastity issues. Like all those years I took my school orchestras on extended tours like to Australia, Disneyland, Disneyworld, Portland, Vancouver, and Victoria. There’s a limit as to how late the chaperones and I could stay up to monitor the motel hallways. (No, I’m not projecting from my youth experience. We never went on extended tours.) Edited October 21, 2019 by Bernard Gui
rockpond Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/19/2019 at 8:19 PM, Calm said: Given the years it takes to grow long hair, cutting it would likely be very hard for someone who has never done more than trim split ends as I know many women do. For some men (I'm thinking of my brother, in particular) growing a full beard took about a year and required many months in awkward looking phases. He felt it was a big sacrifice to ask him to shave it off. For others (like myself) growing a beard is a fast process, so it wasn't as big of a deal for me to shave it off. And now that my beard hair has gone grey in spots, I always stay clean shaven. #vanity 2
cinepro Posted October 21, 2019 Author Posted October 21, 2019 Update: So I got some more details. It's definitely a rule based on the Elders in the mission. If all the sisters have a "sisters only" meeting, they don't have to wear sweaters or jackets in the building. Even if it's a meeting where the Elders don't have to wear coats, the sisters do need to wear sweaters or jackets. The sisters always have to wear sweaters or jackets for Church meetings, but if they're at the building for another type of activity during the week and there are no Elders there, they don't have to wear sweaters or jackets even if there are men from the ward there. Also, none of the missionaries are allowed to go into any indoor mall. They can enter a store that has an entrance to the outside, but if the only entrance is to the indoor mall, they can't enter the mall to go in. 1
Calm Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) Are missionaries supposed to avoid window shopping? Impulse buys? The mall experience is to draw you into shopping at a variety of stores, so I could see that as reasonable if the MP saw window shopping or store browsing as a waste of time and money. Edited October 21, 2019 by Calm
cinepro Posted October 21, 2019 Author Posted October 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Calm said: Are missionaries supposed to avoid window shopping? Impulse buys? The mall experience is to draw you into shopping at a variety of stores, so I could see that as reasonable if the MP saw window shopping or store browsing as a waste of time and money. Well, I did note how I can still recall the popular songs that came out on my mission from hearing them at the mall (Green Day, Weezer, Ace of Base). It was kind of funny to get home and hear a song and think "Oh, I love this song, it reminds me of P-day." So it might just be the music. And the Victoria's Secret window displays. 2
Ahab Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 42 minutes ago, cinepro said: Update: So I got some more details. It's definitely a rule based on the Elders in the mission. If all the sisters have a "sisters only" meeting, they don't have to wear sweaters or jackets in the building. Even if it's a meeting where the Elders don't have to wear coats, the sisters do need to wear sweaters or jackets. The sisters always have to wear sweaters or jackets for Church meetings, but if they're at the building for another type of activity during the week and there are no Elders there, they don't have to wear sweaters or jackets even if there are men from the ward there. Also, none of the missionaries are allowed to go into any indoor mall. They can enter a store that has an entrance to the outside, but if the only entrance is to the indoor mall, they can't enter the mall to go in. I told you before but it seems you were not paying attention. Women like to wear sweaters. so it's not a "have to" kind of a thing. it's more like they "get to": wear sweaters. If nobody was around they probably wouldn't wear a sweater, unless maybe it was cold, but when they're going to be among people, including men, they like to look nice and they enjoy wearing clothing that they like to wear and that helps them look good, including sweaters. When I think of sweaters, especially women wearing sweaters,, I think soft, cuddly, warm, comfortable people. And I also think about how attractive women usually are when they are wearing a sweater. 1
rockpond Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Ahab said: I told you before but it seems you were not paying attention. Women like to wear sweaters. so it's not a "have to" kind of a thing. it's more like they "get to": wear sweaters. If nobody was around they probably wouldn't wear a sweater, unless maybe it was cold, but when they're going to be among people, including men, they like to look nice and they enjoy wearing clothing that they like to wear and that helps them look good, including sweaters. When I think of sweaters, especially women wearing sweaters,, I think soft, cuddly, warm, comfortable people. And I also think about how attractive women usually are when they are wearing a sweater. It’s impressive that you can authoritatively speak to what three billion people “like to wear” regardless of circumstance or climate. Oh wait, your second paragraph declares what men like to wear also. So, 7 billion people. Edited October 21, 2019 by rockpond 1
Calm Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ahab said: Women like to wear sweaters. so it's not a "have to" kind of a thing. it's more like they "get to": wear sweaters. You are dreaming if you think women in general like to wear sweaters when warm especially if already wearing garments, slips, bras as well as the clothes people sees. And some women hate sweaters, like me. No way would I look on it as a "get to" opportunity. Nor is there anything preventing these women from wearing sweaters or jackets if they want to, they don't need permission for that. And if you look at the picture cinepro provided, "attractive" is not where my mind goes, but rather "bulky" and "cluttered". Edited October 22, 2019 by Calm 2
Ahab Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, rockpond said: It’s impressive that you can authoritatively speak to what three billion people “like to wear” regardless of circumstance or climate. Oh wait, your second paragraph declares what men like to wear also. So, 7 billion people. Humor is something you need to sense for yourself, otherwise it's probably not a very good experience for you. Kind of like revelation from God, too, I think. If you don't get it you just don't get it.
Ahab Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Calm said: You are dreaming if you think women in general like to wear sweaters when warm already especially if wearing garments, slips, bras as well as the clothes people sees. And some women hate sweaters, like me. No way would I look on it as a "get to" opportunity. Nor is there anything preventing these women from wearing sweaters or jackets if they want to, they don't need permission for that. I would enjoy seeing you smile more. Would you smile for me, now, please?
Popular Post rockpond Posted October 22, 2019 Popular Post Posted October 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, Ahab said: Humor is something you need to sense for yourself, otherwise it's probably not a very good experience for you. Kind of like revelation from God, too, I think. If you don't get it you just don't get it. It appears that neither Calm nor I could tell that you were making a joke. 6
Amulek Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Calm said: Are missionaries supposed to avoid window shopping? Impulse buys? The mall experience is to draw you into shopping at a variety of stores, so I could see that as reasonable if the MP saw window shopping or store browsing as a waste of time and money. Or maybe it's just a public perception thing. First year out on my mission (still fairly new), my companion and I went Christmas shopping at the local mall. It was on a P-day, but we were wearing our proselyting clothes as we were supposed to (since "shopping" doesn't really demand "other clothing more appropriate for a specific activity" in my book). Anyway, while we were there, we ran into multiple members who came up to us and asked what we were doing at the mall. Shouldn't we be out working? We explained that it was our preparation day and whatnot, but they clearly gave us the impression that they felt we were doing something inappropriate - even though we weren't. Next year, I went shopping in my civvies instead. Lesson learned.
Popular Post Raingirl Posted October 22, 2019 Popular Post Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Ahab said: I told you before but it seems you were not paying attention. Women like to wear sweaters. so it's not a "have to" kind of a thing. it's more like they "get to": wear sweaters. If nobody was around they probably wouldn't wear a sweater, unless maybe it was cold, but when they're going to be among people, including men, they like to look nice and they enjoy wearing clothing that they like to wear and that helps them look good, including sweaters. When I think of sweaters, especially women wearing sweaters,, I think soft, cuddly, warm, comfortable people. And I also think about how attractive women usually are when they are wearing a sweater. Creepy and odd. 6
Maidservant Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 20 hours ago, Bernard Gui said: Well, of a sort, but not the usual connotation of the word. The circumcision of the heart, perhaps? Lovely. Agreed.
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