bsjkki Posted November 9, 2018 Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) This family posted a video of their escaping the fire in California last night. She prays during the video and after looking at her Facebook page, it is evident that they are members. https://gizmodo.com/video-shows-the-terrifying-drive-to-escape-massive-fire-1830331814 Scary for everyone involved. Edited November 9, 2018 by bsjkki 2
cinepro Posted November 9, 2018 Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) Lots of LDS are evacuating. And they've lost their building in "Paradise" (CA)... Edited November 9, 2018 by cinepro
bluebell Posted November 9, 2018 Posted November 9, 2018 Poor Northern California. I saw an article this morning where the fire chief said that the town of Paradise (Pop. 27,000) is pretty much gone. I can't even imagine.
bsjkki Posted November 9, 2018 Author Posted November 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, cinepro said: Lots of LDS are evacuating. And they've lost their building in "Paradise" (CA)... 😢
The Nehor Posted November 9, 2018 Posted November 9, 2018 This all could have been avoided if Superman had let Lex Luthor sink California into the ocean. 1
bsjkki Posted November 9, 2018 Author Posted November 9, 2018 At least 5 dead and the chapel is a complete loss. https://www.sfgate.com/california-wildfires/article/At-least-five-dead-as-Camp-Fire-lays-waste-to-13378522.php?t=3b0e09d6db
katherine the great Posted November 9, 2018 Posted November 9, 2018 So tragic. Paradise was such a beautiful place. My cousin manages a "lab" (experimental forest) in Truckee, California with grad students from some of the UCs to experiment with various ways of controlling forest fires in the West. I wish they could step up their research (funding is always a problem...) 1
Duncan Posted November 9, 2018 Posted November 9, 2018 I used to know someone from Paradise, I don't know if he still lives there
mfbukowski Posted November 9, 2018 Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) And now Southern California is getting hammered as well. The area around Thousand Oaks has several fires burning at the same time they are going through the shooting tragedy. We had several members of our Temple shift last night unable to come in due to roads being closed or their house is being endangered. if you are not from this area I suppose you might not know that Thousand Oaks is also in the middle of all the fires now. 'God gave Noah The rainbow sign Won't be water, Fire next time." - folksong LOTS of members involved, I am sure the church will be taking action. Edited November 10, 2018 by mfbukowski 2
cinepro Posted November 9, 2018 Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) FWIW, this podcast profiles some research that has been done that could drastically reduce the number of homes that burn in these wildfires. Sadly, their recommendations haven't been implemented. Built to Burn - 99% Invisible Quote He set about learning all of a house’s potential weaknesses — all the ways it might plausibly catch on fire. He did a series of experiments, including one in the late 1990s in northern Canada where he set an actual forest on fire. Cohen cut plots of forest and set them on fire to watch them burn. What Cohen found in the experiment was that an entire forest could be on fire, 30 feet away from the house… and nothing. It was fine. Edited November 9, 2018 by cinepro 2
juliann Posted November 9, 2018 Posted November 9, 2018 It all depends on the wind. Embers can blow great distances and if they get into openings, like chimneys/vents, the house burns from the inside out. That area doesn't usually get the worst of the Santa Anas. 2
Calm Posted November 9, 2018 Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, katherine the great said: So tragic. Paradise was such a beautiful place. My cousin manages a "lab" (experimental forest) in Truckee, California with grad students from some of the UCs to experiment with various ways of controlling forest fires in the West. I wish they could step up their research (funding is always a problem...) You would think that funding for disaster prevention would be easy to come by. Maybe we could start defining trees as potential domestic terrorists. Edited November 9, 2018 by Calm 3
JAHS Posted November 9, 2018 Posted November 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Duncan said: I used to know someone from Paradise, I don't know if he still lives there Nobody lives there today. 🙁
katherine the great Posted November 9, 2018 Posted November 9, 2018 48 minutes ago, Calm said: You would think that funding for disaster prevention would be easy to come by. Maybe we could start defining trees as potential domestic terrorists. Snort!
juliann Posted November 9, 2018 Posted November 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Calm said: You would think that funding for disaster prevention would be easy to come by. Maybe we could start defining trees as potential domestic terrorists. They may start with palm trees. Evidently they create flying fire balls instead of embers. 1
The Nehor Posted November 10, 2018 Posted November 10, 2018 1 hour ago, juliann said: They may start with palm trees. Evidently they create flying fire balls instead of embers. I know this is supposed to be a bad thing but that sounds a little awesome. 1
mfbukowski Posted November 10, 2018 Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, The Nehor said: I know this is supposed to be a bad thing but that sounds a little awesome. If palm trees are not well-maintained and as they grow, the "dead leaves" - which in this case are actually palm fronds a few feet square- hang down the trunk and stay there until they are cut off or fall off in a strong wind- or burn. Sometimes you get a strong wind AND fire conditions so when they burn you get maybe a two-square-foot hunk of dry foliage, twenty or thirty - or more- feet in the air, raining down fireballs that can fly- depending on the wind and the height of the tree- a few hundred feet downwind. This pic shows how high they get- and these are not that tall- with the "skirt" of dead fronds around the bottom. So essentially they become a torch held high in the wind in fire conditions. Those skirts also are great places for rat nests incidentally and all kinds of vermin. Spiffy stuff! Edited November 11, 2018 by mfbukowski 1
Tacenda Posted November 10, 2018 Posted November 10, 2018 My aunt use to live in Paradise many, many years ago and posted on FB that it was where she met my uncle who was a widower, when he was visiting his oldest son's mission area. Well her and my uncle's youngest son commented that Liberals are to blame for not allowing controlled burns or something. Anybody know if he is right?
Calm Posted November 10, 2018 Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) Probably a combination of liberal and conservative lawmaking and policy. Environmental and health laws can impede burning, but budgets for disaster response and fire prevention aren't high as needed. https://massivesci.com/articles/wildfire-prevention-california-controlled-burn/ https://www.opb.org/news/article/west-wildfire-risks-fuels-treatment-thinning-burning/ Edited November 10, 2018 by Calm 2
mfbukowski Posted November 10, 2018 Posted November 10, 2018 48 minutes ago, Tacenda said: My aunt use to live in Paradise many, many years ago and posted on FB that it was where she met my uncle who was a widower, when he was visiting his oldest son's mission area. Well her and my uncle's youngest son commented that Liberals are to blame for not allowing controlled burns or something. Anybody know if he is right? More and more rich "city folks" are moving into forested areas, with beautiful views of the forest and fresh air. If those views become views of burned stumps for a few years, they get unhappy. Ashes get into the pool. Your house smells like smoke. Air quality goes through the floor. And they might even shut down your road, so who will pick up the kids at daycare? Very shortsighted obviously.
Vanguard Posted November 11, 2018 Posted November 11, 2018 My wife and I had put together "dream boards" several years ago. One of the pictures on mine was of a house in the mountains surrounded by pine trees. A couple years later I found myself interviewing for a clinical supervisory position with Butte Co. Mental Health down in Chico. After the interview I had occasion to travel up the hill to see what Paradise looked like. Once there, I immediately called my wife to tell her I had found the community where we should live as it was a carbon copy of my dream board picture. Long story short, that job opportunity never worked out and I never got that home in Paradise. Thank God for unanswered prayers. God bless all who are caught up in this tragedy. : ( 3
rodheadlee Posted November 11, 2018 Posted November 11, 2018 On 11/9/2018 at 1:48 PM, juliann said: It all depends on the wind. Embers can blow great distances and if they get into openings, like chimneys/vents, the house burns from the inside out. That area doesn't usually get the worst of the Santa Anas. everyone should have have non flammable roofing material
rodheadlee Posted November 11, 2018 Posted November 11, 2018 4 hours ago, mfbukowski said: More and more rich "city folks" are moving into forested areas, with beautiful views of the forest and fresh air. If those views become views of burned stumps for a few years, they get unhappy. Ashes get into the pool. Your house smells like smoke. Air quality goes through the floor. And they might even shut down your road, so who will pick up the kids at daycare? Very shortsighted obviously. Actually the city's too expensive for normal people. 1
Bernard Gui Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) Lots of finger pointing going on. Not cool to politicize these things. Edited November 12, 2018 by Bernard Gui 1
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