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  1. That's fine. But then it's not OCD. What you have is simply someone who thrives paying attention to detail at times even to the detriment of those under his stewardship. I think we all already knew there are those personality styles (at times I might be one of them!). At this point though, we may as well change the topic of discussion to - what to do when someone in authority is too exacting. Pretty ubiquitous profile...
  2. I'm sorry, Meadowchik, this doesn't compute. I don't know what you mean by an 'obsessive-compulsive atmosphere'. I do not know of a person who has been diagnosed with OCD in the ways we have been suggesting who 'thrives' in this way. A solid diagnosis of OCD-Scrupulosity precludes the possibility of thriving. About 2 years ago I had been assigned the possibility of taking on a bishop down in CA who desperately needed help with his OCD. His report suggested absolutely nothing of being 'well-fitted' but rather he was falling apart and had been for some time.
  3. If there were data to suggest an inordinate percentage of active, LDS members diagnosed with OCD - Scrupulosity, then accordingly, you would have a point. I don't believe that's the case (though I have no data to back that up). My experience with IOP treatment of LDS members with OCD ran the gamut of OCD themes - some Scrupulosity, some Harm, some Perfectionism, some 'Just Right', some Illness/Disease, and so on. Though I would agree that an individual with the genetic predisposition for OCD may have a difficult time in the church, there were just as many other members who struggled with other
  4. As I stated, I believe there is a conversation to be had regards to your concerns. One of my points was to declare I didn't think this is the thread considering the fact that I thought we were talking about scrupulosity. And yes, conflating such overwhelming pathologies with an otherwise healthy individual's underwear allergy struggle runs the risk of being dismissed. And yes, I did ask for your ideas but you did not respond to me but to say we need to be aware. Did I miss your follow-up response? By the way, I did notice you had nothing to say about my re-orienting comments around scrupu
  5. I have shared this with family. It's absolutely, tragically beautiful. Nice. : )
  6. Agreed. The thread has morphed from what I believe should have been the focus. I thought we were talking about a pathological guilt that comes with a diagnosis of OCD - Scrupulosity. Now, we're talking about yeast infections from garments and such. Certainly there's a place for these concerns but it is now a far cry from a conversation about OCD. I also noticed in rereading the opening post that JAHS had queried - "how many have left the church because of this 'disorder'. From my experience, all OCD - 'Scrup' cases involved someone who was devout and wanted to stay in the faith. It also went w
  7. Ok, so in a world where there is awareness, what's the next step?
  8. I am curious as to what you think could be done about this?
  9. No, the 'dressing' does not always work. But then again, will the balance always work for everyone? Most definitely not. It is also believed that much of this is genetically based such that if one OCD theme (i.e., scrupulosity) does not take hold, another theme will. There are many themes as OCD is quite the creative bugger...
  10. Very nicely said. I don't know if the original context of the word scrupulous suggested pathology only that currently in a clinical sense of the word we do mean something pathological. There are many instances when adhering scrupulously to something is definitely a positive. For example, I want my accountant to scrupulously adhere to the principles of accounting when tracking my money. When speaking of OCD, however, we do mean something that has gone beyond the pale and is now causing considerable distress in the person's life. And in the context of our religious circles, it means the individu
  11. I think we have some agreement here. IMO, it stands to reason that with more, clear expectations on behavior comes a higher likelihood of these kinds of pathologies. Though I don't believe this argues against having these expectations, we should always be vigilant in dressing our gospel message in the benevolent and forgiving tones of the Savior's message. This messaging needs to be taught at the earliest of ages.
  12. Ha! Indeed. One of my clients - a wonderful LDS gentleman - could not lean his elbows on a fine-dining table cloth for fear that his shirt or hands might pick up elements of alcohol left behind from the previous customer and that as a result he would inadvertently? brush his hand or shirt against his mouth and thereby 'consume' some of the alcohol. These concerns permeated his daily life and as is usually the case, his OCD bled into other themes (i.e., physical cleanliness) making his existence all the more horrible.
  13. I had a wonderful experience working at a local intensive outpatient OCD clinic 1-2 years ago. In all cases we would run the client through exposures where they were confronted with much of what makes them experience anxiety. On one extreme occasion, the CEO commented on how with one LDS client he had the two of them wash their hands in beer together. And yes, it was almost debilitating for the client. It was probably the most clinically invigorating 10 months I've ever had.
  14. Go to Calm's link that I had included in my post. The letter and signatures were both included together.
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