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  1. By now we're all familiar with the WaPo stats indicating that in 2019 about 10-20 unarmed black men were shot and killed by police officers. This number includes those men who brandished what was thought to be a firearm. When accounting for this, the number goes well into the low single digit range of Black men shot and killed who were without a firearm on their person and who did not provoke a lethal response from the police department. This in my estimation is far from a genocide on black men and especially when you consider the 10s (100s?) of millions of police contacts made each year. So m
  2. But within the Jewish context it was obvious they had been singled out and as a result of that simple fact (their being Jewish) they were forced to endure the horrors they did. When others claim Black lives matter, what exactly is their claim and what are it's merits? While I agree Black lives matter, the statistics within the proper context do not bare out the need for the claim.
  3. Good questions, T. Yes, I think about being pulled over all the time now. And yes, I do see it as life or death depending on how I behave and most definitely where I put my hands. All 'colors' should be concerned. I'm shocked I had never thought about it before until this last year. If I make any sudden or suspicious movements, it is entirely reasonable to believe I put myself potentially in harm's way - my innocent intentions be 'darn'd'. As an aside, why does LE tolerate darkened (tinted) back windows? It must be EXTREMELY scary approaching a car not being able to see its occupants clea
  4. Thanks for sharing what is a very sensitive topic and more importantly, a very sensitive real life experience you were willing to risk for the students' benefit. : ) You seemed to handle the topic quite well. Having said that, I'd like to offer up my own critique of two things you mentioned that you might find helpful the next time around - 1) Make sure to best insure the students do not conflate the idea of 'radiance of skin' to mean a lightened skin color. There can be no connection. Extreme black skin can radiate the wonderful qualities of gospel conversion just as much as the lig
  5. Well, no doubt the NAACP has that stance. I'm not sure why the Church (I'll take your word for it) would take the same stance if indeed that is what they did. There was a link a couple of pages ago citing several examples of what a gentleman believed was evidence of systemic racism. It was so lacking in critical thinking that it turned me off from the rest of the list. : (
  6. I suspected this was your position. I also suspect you didn't need Elder Oaks to convince you of this belef. It's probably inappropriate to delve into the 'whys' of your position without running afoul of the board rules. It does become tedious watching posters go back and forth on this board about what Elder Elder Oaks really meant. I will grant you that it seemed pretty clear to me what he meant to say - systemic racism exists. I would just counter that it was unadvisable to say it the way he did. Too bad we can't delve more substantively into the issue... : (
  7. Yes, I know that's what he claims. Your more recent posts IMO seem to have evolved from that and into a more substantive claim reflecting your own beliefs. Is that the case? I do in fact believe he does mean systemic racism in our policies and laws - I just don't agree with him.
  8. That's the first time I've heard it said that most white people take that stance. Are you referring to quotas (AA) for college entrance? Otherwise, do you have other examples? It should be noted also that a statistical disparity in and of itself is not necessarily evidence of systemic racism. Are you saying that housing industry practices reflect systemic racism? What is it about those practices that make it racist? Do you know? Edit: We should be careful not to conflate racism with disparities in socio-economic status.
  9. He was actually the bass player. ; )
  10. MFB - Could you provide a very brief primer (a launching off point) of this pragmatic philosophy? Give me how YOU would characterize it. : )
  11. Greetings, Navidad. I believe you are correct with your closing comment here. All those who sincerely follow the dictates of their conscience retain for themselves the potential for exaltation in the Lord's kingdom saving ordinances notwithstanding. Nevertheless, these ordinances will be done for all mankind either during their mortality or afterward through the vicarious work we do in temples. Please know, however, as monumentally important as these ordinances are, I believe they absolutely pale in comparison to each man's effort to follow his conscience in this morality whether that include
  12. Then what do you say of what must be countless folks who pass while having sinned yet before they've had a chance to renew their baptismal covenants by taking the Sacrament? Or what of those - though decidedly less in number - who are baptized but yet never get a chance to take the Sacrament even once? Why don't we have a temple endowment that would include vicarious talking of the Sacrament for that population? Could it be because the Godhead does not deem 'vicarious Sacrament' as being necessary for exaltation like he does so many of the other saving ordinances? And who knows what to m
  13. Partaking of the Sacrament cannot be a a saving ordinance in the sense that baptism and temple marriage are. There are simply too many scenarios where folks do not ever partake or only partake a limited number of times. To say that ANYONE who did not partake during this mortality will be denied salvation runs afoul of the gospel as I understand it. That's why we've made 'arrangements' to provide for other ordinances - ordinances that indeed would prevent salvation - to be completed for those who did not receive them in this mortality.
  14. So you're in favor of removing the reporting mandate for those who work with children? And if not, why not?
  15. Fair enough. Thanks for elaborating. I still can't get beyond the notion this privilege affords the perpetrator a potential 'get out of jail free' card. As long as he follows the prescription the bishop lays out (short of confessing to legal authority), he can eventually work his way back into the gospel's good graces all the while running a real risk of re-offending. Or - absent a legal authority confession - will he always be prevented from having full privileges reinstated? And what of the victim? Where is any chance of reparative therapy if all actions the bishop recommends comes with the
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