Polygamy in the Celestial Kingdom

[Guest]

On May 18, 2016 at 11:39 AM, phaedrus ut said:

Something I've heard from many LDS couples, and something asked of me, is that the wife does not want any sort of polygamist relationship and she asks her husband to promise not to take another wife when they go to the Celestial kingdom.  One close friend of mine even went to her father and made him to promise not to take a polygamist wife.  Is this something you've discussed in your marriage? Is it unreasonable for someone to ask this of their husband or parent? 

 

Phaedrus 

Not sure of any of these issues. I can only say if my asked not to remarry in the Temple thus creating a polygamist environment, I would honor her request. Since I am first generation LDS, I am also not part of any such marriages. Too many speculate on such matters, instead of just reading Church handbook. 

[SeekingUnderstanding]

56 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

The only hypothetical worth asking is "If God requires you to live a law will you say yes or no, regardless of how you feel?"

 

49 minutes ago, Mystery Meat said:

Short and sweet, and I don't disagree, but I think some people want to examine specific commandments/laws and determine if it is something they are willing to obey/follow.

We are told in scriptures that their are limits on what God can do. If these are exceeded then God would cease to be God. There are many things I am willing to sacrifice, but others I can not or I'd cease to be myself. Polygamy and other Abrahamic sacrifices fit in this category. If I was willing to kill for God, I would no longer be myself. It's possible that when I die I will be miraculously changed so that polygamy would be the only desirable relationship, or that killing in God's name would be a-okay but I would not recognize that person. 

[Ahab]

Just now, VideoGameJunkie said:

My problem was I was prescribed the medication Olanzapine which caused me to gain a ton of weight and it's been hard to take it off. I hate that medication forever for ruining my body. Wikipedia it. People have sued the manufacturer for weight gain.

My wife takes prescriptions for diabetes and a lot of othet health issues which also cause her to retain weight/food/fat and this new way of eating has been helping her to lose weight.  So you still might want to give it a try.  And it is a healthier way to eat too.  We're just eating whole grains and nuts and beans and all kinds of veggies and fruits.  Just no processed oils/fats or animal proteins.

Anyway,  I don't want to sidetrack the thread.

Before anyone can have multiple wives they need to start with 1 and you can find a good 1 even if you are overweight.  Just trying to help you to get healthy and a healthy 1, mainly.

[ERMD]

Since all women in the Celestial Kingdom will be perfect, I would consider taking on more.

 

(runs and hides)

[VideoGameJunkie]

I have one big logical question about polygamy working out in the Celestial Kingdom. Where are all these extra women supposed to come from to provide worthy males with multiple wives? Or does polygamy in the CK guarantee a lot more women will be exalted than men?

Edited May 20, 2016 by VideoGameJunkie

[JLHPROF]

1 hour ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

I have one big logical question about polygamy working out in the Celestial Kingdom. Where are all these extra women supposed to come from to provide worthy males with multiple wives? Or does polygamy in the CK guarantee a lot more women will be exalted than men?

Pretty sure you've asked this one a few times 

Yes, there will be far more exalted women than men.  Can I prove it?  Nope.  Do I believe it?  Yes.
Part of me wonders if the Mosiah Hancock vision isn't accurate on this one regardless of its questionable nature.

[JLHPROF]

3 hours ago, ERMD said:

Since all women in the Celestial Kingdom will be perfect, I would consider taking on more.

 

(runs and hides)

You'll be perfect too, so why wouldn't they all love you? 

[Tacenda]

4 hours ago, ERMD said:

Since all women in the Celestial Kingdom will be perfect, I would consider taking on more.

 

(runs and hides)

You can run, but you can't hide.

[VideoGameJunkie]

1 hour ago, JLHPROF said:

Pretty sure you've asked this one a few times 

Yes, there will be far more exalted women than men.  Can I prove it?  Nope.  Do I believe it?  Yes.
Part of me wonders if the Mosiah Hancock vision isn't accurate on this one regardless of its questionable nature.

Well you were the first poster to finally answer so thank you for answering.

[Bernard Gui]

On May 19, 2016 at 10:37 PM, VideoGameJunkie said:

Well me being overweight is the wrong kind of bait then.

Even a poor tailor deserves some happiness. 

[Bernard Gui]

15 hours ago, bcuzbcuz said:

Hypotheticals: I hate them. What if both of your legs got blown off in a car bomb. Would you still walk the dog?

No, you would take the dog out for a drag. And when you came back, the dog would say, "Man, what a drag."

 

Edited May 20, 2016 by Bernard Gui

[VideoGameJunkie]

I just hope there wouldn't be competition over extra wives during the Millennium if polygamy is in the Celestial Kingdom. Imagine fighting over a girl and one guys like come on man you already are sealed to 7 wives, I'm only sealed to 3, let me have Jenna. How would the courting work? Or would the Lord assign us spouses? Otherwise dating during that period would be very interesting.

[Eek!]

2 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

I just hope there wouldn't be competition over extra wives during the Millennium if polygamy is in the Celestial Kingdom. Imagine fighting over a girl and one guys like come on man you already are sealed to 7 wives, I'm only sealed to 3, let me have Jenna. How would the courting work? Or would the Lord assign us spouses? Otherwise dating during that period would be very interesting.

Remember that we do not have all the pieces of the puzzle (D&C 132:66).  

Remember also that God is good, God is fair, and God is no respecter of persons.  Any line of thinking that results in a different conclusion has a mistake in it somewhere. 

These are very basic principles, and if the technicalities that we are aware of seem to result in a different conclusion, then our information is either incorrect or incomplete or both. 

In my opinion, one of the laws we don't hear about is the Law of Affinity.  I believe that the Law of Affinity will be fully in play in the Celestial Kingdom, because I believe that God is good and fair and no respecter of persons.  

In my opinion, Jenna will be with the person (or people) with whom she shares the strongest natural affinity.  So will you.  And I believe there will be mechanisms in play by which the technicalities can and will be taken care of. 

[JLHPROF]

29 minutes ago, Eek! said:

Remember that we do not have all the pieces of the puzzle (D&C 132:66). 

Remember also that God is good, God is fair, and God is no respecter of persons.  Any line of thinking that results in a different conclusion has a mistake in it somewhere.

These are very basic principles, and if the technicalities that we are aware of seem to result in a different conclusion, then our information is either incorrect or incomplete or both.

In my opinion, one of the laws we don't hear about is the Law of Affinity.  I believe that the Law of Affinity will be fully in play in the Celestial Kingdom, because I believe that God is good and fair and no respecter of persons. 

In my opinion, Jenna will be with the person (or people) with whom she shares the strongest natural affinity.  So will you.  And I believe there will be mechanisms in play by which the technicalities can and will be taken care of.

I like everything about this post except "God is good, God is fair, and God is no respecter of persons" could imply more equality than exists.

Remember Abraham 3:19,22-23
19 And the Lord said unto me: These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all.
 22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;
23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.

So fair, but not necessarily equal.

[Ahab]

17 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

I have one big logical question about polygamy working out in the Celestial Kingdom. Where are all these extra women supposed to come from to provide worthy males with multiple wives? Or does polygamy in the CK guarantee a lot more women will be exalted than men?

They will come from the pool of all the women that have ever lived on this planet. Beginning with Eve all the way down to the last little baby girl fetus ever in a womb of some other woman on this planet,  Whether born or unborn, whatever the cause of them being unborn, whether aborted or miscarried.

Lots of men have already had more than one woman sealed to them as one of their wives and multitudes more have had and still have at least one woman sealed to them as a wife.

And no man can attain the highest level of celestial glory/intelligence without having at least one woman sealed to him as his wife.

So get started, bro. And remember that you will need at least one woman to agree to be your wife for you to even have a shot of receiving a fulness of joy.

[Eek!]

4 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

I like everything about this post except "God is good, God is fair, and God is no respecter of persons" could imply more equality than exists...

So fair, but not necessarily equal.

Different people are at different places on the path at a given time.  A high school senior is not worth more than a third grader, but he is much further along.  So in some senses of the word they are "equal", but not in others. 

[mfbukowski]

19 hours ago, Ahab said:

So get started, bro. And remember that you will need at least one woman to agree to be your wife for you to even have a shot of receiving a fulness of joy.

Either on this side or the other side of the veil, maybe.

People are impaired, or handicapped,  painfully shy, people do not get the message, people cannot handle the message, people are fat, skinny or socially awkward, ugly or attracted to their own sex.  There is always at least a second chance for those who earnestly try and do not put it all together.

God will be the final judge of all these factors. 

[mfbukowski]

On 5/20/2016 at 9:09 PM, JLHPROF said:

Pretty sure you've asked this one a few times 

Yes, there will be far more exalted women than men.  Can I prove it?  Nope.  Do I believe it?  Yes.
Part of me wonders if the Mosiah Hancock vision isn't accurate on this one regardless of its questionable nature.

The difference in the women's initiatories guarantees that.  Take your sweetheart to the temple and discuss it after doing initiatories if you have not yet done so.  That insight changes the whole gospel as perceived by the world.  In my opinion, it is a must for every couple.

Edited May 21, 2016 by mfbukowski

[Ahab]

23 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Either on this side or the other side of the veil, maybe.

People are impaired, or handicapped,  painfully shy, people do not get the message, people cannot handle the message, people are fat, skinny or socially awkward, ugly or attracted to their own sex.  There is always at least a second chance for those who earnestly try and do not put it all together.

God will be the final judge of all these factors. 

Oh I understand that. I have 2 step-sons who are physically disabled/challenged who may not find any good women to agree to be their wives on this side of the veil, but I still challenge them to get out there and look and try.  Nothing wrong with trying to find one and they could maybe have some fun while they're at it.  

[Ahab]

25 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

The difference in the women's initiatories guarantees that.  Take your sweetheart to the temple and discuss it after doing initiatories if you have not yet done so.  That insight changes the whole gospel as perceived by the world.  In my opinion, it is a must for every couple.

Yep, a woman is an essential requirement for any man who wants to be exalted.   No man can get exalted without one.  And yes some men will have more than one, which will simply be evem more of a good thing.  But one is all a man needs and all we should look for unless God actually commands a man to accept more than one.

[juliann]

For the uninitiated readers: Not all polygamy advocates started new churches. This thread is what happens when they find one another online and get together.

There is no support from modern prophets for any of this hopeful fantasizing and delightful folk doctrine. Those of us who care about such details find it better to just let them rub their hands together and dream of other women beside their wives.

Carry on.

[bcuzbcuz]

14 minutes ago, juliann said:

For the uninitiated readers: Not all polygamy advocates started new churches. This thread is what happens when they find one another online and get together.

There is no support from modern prophets for any of this hopeful fantasizing and delightful folk doctrine. Those of us who care about such details find it better to just let them rub their hands together and dream of other women beside their wives.

Carry on.

There is no support for their hopeful fantasizing. A man who is sealed to one woman and delights in fantasizing about a future kingdom of multiple wives is a corrupt and sinful being. He is no better than a wanton glutton lusting after 72 virgins. Polygamy is disgusting. 

[juliann]

I don't know that I would go that far, buz, but I do think Mormon men who gather to talk about women other than their wives should be called into their bishop's office.

[bcuzbcuz]

47 minutes ago, juliann said:

I don't know that I would go that far, buz, but I do think Mormon men who gather to talk about women other than their wives should be called into their bishop's office.

We agree on that.

[Believing]

I do not project on God what my feeble mortal mind wants to believe and certainly not some issue such as polygamy. I hope as the progression my body and spirit into an perfect immortal that has been created to be like him (God) I than will understand. This is the beauty Celestial existence. To say we will or will not live certain eternal principals, I would say is arrogant at worst and foolish at best.