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  1. I really have a hard time taking these arguments serious anymore. Book of Abraham apologetics is on par with flat earthers and other non-sense pseudoscience. I've had private conversations with many of the apologists brought up here in defense of the book and they will privately admit, with varying degrees of specificity, that it's fake. I can only imagine the amount of cringe they feel reading discussions like these. Go back and read the defenses of the BoA that they are writing and you'll see that they often use unspecific language that gives the mental escape clauses to keep them from out
  2. I believe Romney when he says he voted his conscience. I don't agree with him on everything but having him as my Governor in Massachusetts and now as my Senator in Utah he has always given me the impression of having a good ethical compass. I sincerely believe history will be kind to him as a voice of reason. Phaedrus
  3. Utah was settled by Mormons illegally immigrating into Mexico while fleeing the US legal system in order to practice polygamy. There is some historical precedent in the First Presidency's statement. Or maybe they understand as Christians there is a higher law do be decent and moral to our fellow human beings. Phaedrus
  4. There is nothing about this that should be in anyway illegal. Family members will see each other naked, it happens. This is no more sexual than a breastfeeding mother. Phaedrus
  5. Is this the same Stephen Thompson that has a Ph.D. in Egyptology from a Ivy League university?
  6. I think we are in agreement here. The BOM most often reproduces the KJV text exact word for word when quoting the Old and New Testament When the italicized words were added to the KJV text more often than not the BOM includes this, when the KJV translators made an error those errors are reproduced in the BOM. However a certain period Joseph chose not to reproduce the KJV text exactly. We can't read his mind to understand all the reasons why he made these changes but they most commonly happen where the KJV translators added their italicized text. This shows the BOM is heavily dependent on t
  7. And that's just spin. Even with the apologetic spin putting the italics being responsible for something just short of 25% of the changes it's still the most common textual variant and considering that italicized words account for 3-4% of the KJV we are looking at clear textual dependence. When Skousen last published on the subject I believe were looking at ~400 BOM passages with italics in the KJV and 150 alterations so 38%. Whether it's 1/4 or 3/8ths of the text the relationship between the two is ovious. That's really the only evidence we have. It's clear that the BOM is d
  8. You doubt it's based on a systematic thorough analysis? That's a awful confident declaration there champatsch. I'll give you two very easy examples from a friendly sources at FARMS/BYU Religious Studies Center that prove my point. John A. Tvedtnes, “Isaiah Variants in the Book of Mormon,” and Textual Variants in the Isaiah Quotations in the Book of Mormon By Royal Skousen. Both provide an analysis of just the the Isaiah chapters of the BOM compared to the KJV but the point holds for the broader analysis. Skousen and Tvedtnes differ somewhat in their percentages that italics explain Isaiah
  9. Various scribes worked with Joseph Smith in the preparation of the Book of Mormon over a period of 21 months in various locations. Multiple locations and multiple scribes doesn't make using different versions of the KJV seem like too great a leap. Even though witnesses say no bible was used in the process the textual evidence is too believe convincing otherwise. It's also important to note that most KJV variants in the BOM are near italicized words. In the KJV words which appear in italics were added to make the English translation more readable. Joseph clearly knew what the italics mea
  10. This statistic comes from the Trevor Project national survey of LGBTQ youth. With over 34,000 respondents, it is the largest survey of LGBTQ youth mental health ever conducted. The number increases to 57% for transgender and nonbinary youth who have undergone conversion therapy. Phaedrus //I started a new thread because for the first time in 15 years I've been locked out of a topic. Please see my post history to confirm for my flagrant rule breaking.
  11. I'll pass your links along to my neighbor who's gay son killed himself after being outed. Hopefully it'll provide him some comfort. Phaedrus
  12. Once again the church is taking a defensive position defending antiquated and hurtful religious practices. It's action like this that are accelerating the exodus from the church. The real problem for me is the moral issue of causing harm to gay members of the church including a increase in youth suicide. My conscience won't allow me to remain silent on this issue. Phaedrus
  13. I never noticed this thread when it first came through but I recently finished the book and shortly there after traveled through southern Idaho and saw Bucks Peak and Stokes Market. One observation I would like to make is that about Tara Westover's relationship with the church. It seemed important to her that any negative details about her upbringing shouldn't be a reflection of the Mormon church. I've known quite a few Mormons who, like the author, gained noteworthy academic credentials and for most of them that also meant moving on from Mormonism. Like Tara they are almost protectiv
  14. Oaks comments are hopelessly ill informed to the point it's intentionally ignoring science. If you look at the statistics for just medically intersex, not specifically just transgender, they look like this. Not XX and not XY one in 1,666 births Klinefelter (XXY)one in 1,000 births Androgen insensitivity syndrome one in 13,000 births Partial androgen insensitivity syndrome one in 130,000 births Classical congenital adrenal hyperplasia one in 13,000 births Late onset adrenal hyperplasia one in 66 individuals Vaginal agenesisone in 6,000 births Ovotesteso
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