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Polygamy in the Celestial Kingdom

phaedrus ut

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Ahab Grand Master

Ahab

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18 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

My Patriarchal blessing talks about being sealed to one woman, not multiple.

And as I've told you before, one is enough.

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organicpeas Newbie

organicpeas

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1 hour ago, Jeanne said:

You were right though.  He can't be a king without you.  The thing is, Joseph was supposed to get Emm'a s approval..that did not always happen. I think men will be surprised if there isn't a turnabout in play.  Yo..I aim would aim to convert a very handsome man who is waiting for you!  Thanks so much for your reply.

Thanks. Polygamy has been a tough issue for me, and many women I know. I teach my daughters and sons to be strong believers in gender equality and to strongly support women's rights. My personal conclusion is that polygamy isn't divine. It's a product of power.

It's no coincidence that so many founders of religious organizations eventually have revelations granting them sexual access to multiple partners. I don't think that part of our past is unique. 

Jeanne Grand Master

Jeanne

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13 minutes ago, organicpeas said:

Thanks. Polygamy has been a tough issue for me, asond many women I know. I teach my daughters and sons to be strong believers in gender equality and to strongly support women's rights. My personal conclusion is that polygamy isn't divine. It's a product of power.

It's no coincidence that so many founders of religious organizations eventually have revelations granting them sexual access to multiple partners. I don't think that part of our past is unique. 

I so agree!

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Eek! Rising Star

Eek!

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1 hour ago, Mystery Meat said:

Your ellipses left out quite a bit of language.

That was an attempt at clarity.

Here are all the words, and this time I'm following the convention of bolding... rather than using elipses... to spotlight the part I'm focusing on:

"I say unto you, if a man receiveth a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, and if she be with another man, and I have not appointed unto her by the holy anointing, she hath committed adultery and shall be destroyed."

So here's my question to you again, phrased slightly differently:

If the part in bold above makes no difference one way or another in whether or not the woman has committed adultery and shall be destroyed, why is it even included? 

The implication is that it does make a difference.

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BCSpace Grand Master

BCSpace

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13 hours ago, phaedrus ut said:

Something I've heard from many LDS couples, and something asked of me, is that the wife does not want any sort of polygamist relationship and she asks her husband to promise not to take another wife when they go to the Celestial kingdom.  One close friend of mine even went to her father and made him to promise not to take a polygamist wife.  Is this something you've discussed in your marriage? Is it unreasonable for someone to ask this of their husband or parent? 

 

Phaedrus 

I'd have to say it's unreasonable simply because we don't really know what the CK is like and what the attitudes of those who reside there will be.

Bernard Gui Grand Master

Bernard Gui

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4 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

I'm trying but I'm intimidated by rejection by mormon girls so I'm nervous to ask girls on dates.

If you are gonna go fishing you gotta have the right bait.

bcuzbcuz Veteran

bcuzbcuz

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18 hours ago, Mystery Meat said:

Hypothetical: If you had to choose between (a) living as a single man, or (b) living with your current wife, but only with other wives, which would you choose?

Hypotheticals: I hate them. What if both of your legs got blown off in a car bomb. Would you still walk the dog?

I can't even imagine how the second IF would occur, since my wife outright stated additional wives would cancel our relationship., and I would therefore be single. So I choose a).....no wait, that would mean I had chosen b) first. 

Or do you think I could sell her on the idea of me having concubines? .ie. Therefore not wives.

No, I hate hypotheticals

bcuzbcuz Veteran

bcuzbcuz

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17 hours ago, carbon dioxide said:

All of us have view on issues based on our current knowledge and the society were have been brought up with.   I think once one has spend enough time in the spirit world or the Celestial Kingdom, their views on a lot of things will be changed.  Polygamy may not be that big of a deal to those there even though it was a problem for them in mortality.  Unless one believes there is conflict between people in the Celestial Kingdom,  there is no anger or contention between those who are polygamists and those that are not.  They treat each other beautifully well.

I find the daily tasks of life in the here and now more than enough. I don't spend time trying to figure out whether I'll play my harp left handed or right handed while sitting amongst the clouds. In the here and now, polygamy is forbidden.That's good enough for me.

bcuzbcuz Veteran

bcuzbcuz

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10 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

If you are gonna go fishing you gotta have the right bait.

Do you mean that once a man is married that he should keep on baiting his hook and still have his line in the water? That's something that bothers me to the extreme when people opine here that polygamy will soon be back in the church...or they are mentally preparing themselves for such in the afterworld. If a man has one wife, will he just keep on fishing?

I know from what I've read about and by members of the FLDS, the husband keeps on fishing, going out on dates, romancing new women, spending time with other women when he should be addressing his attention to his wife.

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JLHPROF Grand Master

JLHPROF

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3 hours ago, bcuzbcuz said:

 

I know from what I've read about and by members of the FLDS, the husband keeps on fishing, going out on dates, romancing new women, spending time with other women when he should be addressing his attention to his wife.

From what I've read most fundamentalist Mormon courtships last around 3 months, feature just a few one-on-one dates, and more family dates.
Romance rarely seems to get a look-in.

bcuzbcuz Veteran

bcuzbcuz

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6 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

From what I've read most fundamentalist Mormon courtships last around 3 months, feature just a few one-on-one dates, and more family dates.
Romance rarely seems to get a look-in.

You could very well be right. I find the whole question of shopping for additional wives distasteful and repulsive.

JLHPROF Grand Master

JLHPROF

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3 minutes ago, bcuzbcuz said:

You could very well be right. I find the whole question of shopping for additional wives distasteful and repulsive.

There probably are some fundamentalists that act that way.  (And if it's the FLDS look at the fruits of that behavior).

But I also look at some of the other fundamentalists out there, and see no indication (or very little indication) of wife shopping.

Ahab Grand Master

Ahab

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13 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

Well me being overweight is the wrong kind of bait then.

Best diet recommendation I know of:

Don't eat any more meat or dairy products,  unless you're starving and can't get whole foods from plants.  Plants have all the proteins and vitamins and minerals our bodies need.

Check out a book or video called 'Forks over Knives' for more info.  It doesn't take much to get your body in good shape.

... and a better shape than round. 

Jeanne Grand Master

Jeanne

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18 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

I'm trying but I'm intimidated by rejection by mormon girls so I'm nervous to ask girls on dates.

Confidence.  You sound like a very nice and generous man with a soft heart.  Many women would want that.  You just need some confidence VGJ.  Give yourself some credit..others will see the good in you when you see it in yourself.  I am so NOT worried about you finding that one woman!

VideoGameJunkie Grand Master

VideoGameJunkie

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1 hour ago, Ahab said:

Best diet recommendation I know of:

Don't eat any more meat or dairy products,  unless you're starving and can't get whole foods from plants.  Plants have all the proteins and vitamins and minerals our bodies need.

Check out a book or video called 'Forks over Knives' for more info.  It doesn't take much to get your body in good shape.

... and a better shape than round. 

My problem was I was prescribed the medication Olanzapine which caused me to gain a ton of weight and it's been hard to take it off. I hate that medication forever for ruining my body. Wikipedia it. People have sued the manufacturer for weight gain.

Mystery Meat Veteran

Mystery Meat

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6 hours ago, bcuzbcuz said:

Hypotheticals: I hate them. What if both of your legs got blown off in a car bomb. Would you still walk the dog?

I can't even imagine how the second IF would occur, since my wife outright stated additional wives would cancel our relationship., and I would therefore be single. So I choose a).....no wait, that would mean I had chosen b) first. 

Or do you think I could sell her on the idea of me having concubines? .ie. Therefore not wives.

No, I hate hypotheticals

I should have clarified. My bad.

Lets assume two things for the sake of the hypothetical: 

1- Polygamy is required for exaltation; and

2- In order to remain married to you current spouse in the next life, you have to be exalted.

So with these assumptions in mind, if you had to choose between (a) living as a single man, or (b) living as an celestial polygamist, along with your current wife, which would you choose? In other words what if in order to remain married to your current wife you had to take additional wives? Would you sacrifice your current marriage so you didn't have to have to other wives? 

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JLHPROF Grand Master

JLHPROF

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11 minutes ago, Mystery Meat said:

I should have clarified. My bad.

Lets assume two things for the sake of the hypothetical: 

1- Polygamy is required for exaltation; and

2- In order to remain married to you current spouse in the next life, you have to be exalted.

So with these assumptions in mind, if you had to choose between (a) living as a single man, or (b) living as an celestial polygamist, along with your current wife, which would you choose? In other words what if in order to remain married to your current wife you had to take additional wives? Would you sacrifice your current marriage so you didn't have to have to other wives? 

The only hypothetical worth asking is "If God requires you to live a law will you say yes or no, regardless of how you feel?"

Mystery Meat Veteran

Mystery Meat

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6 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

The only hypothetical worth asking is "If God requires you to live a law will you say yes or no, regardless of how you feel?"

Short and sweet, and I don't disagree, but I think some people want to examine specific commandments/laws and determine if it is something they are willing to obey/follow.

JLHPROF Grand Master

JLHPROF

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28 minutes ago, Mystery Meat said:

Short and sweet, and I don't disagree, but I think some people want to examine specific commandments/laws and determine if it is something they are willing to obey/follow.

:D - yes, because THAT'S how God operates.

They get their choice, but have to live with the results.

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