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I'm going to call BS on this statement, including your reference (because Wikipedia is not dedicated to truth, but rather, to the views of those who have taken it over). They were not subjected to anything at all. They volunteered for the treatment and administered the shocks themselves when they decided they were ready.
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Jesus Christ was "crushed" for our sins in Gethsemane.
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Sure. I see it as... Wounded (pierced as per the usage) = the spear thrust on the cross. Bruised (crushed by the oil press) = Gethsemane. Stripes = The various beatings and whippings he received.- 66 replies
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Jesus Christ was "crushed" for our sins in Gethsemane.
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I do. Thank you very much.- 66 replies
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Jesus Christ was "crushed" for our sins in Gethsemane.
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I was researching to counter a post from some non-LDS Christians about D&C 19:18, in which we read about the unique, or nearly unique, LDS doctrine that Jesus Christ suffered for sins in Gethsemane, and I found this. I don't recall seeing it elsewhere, but I'm sure I'm not the first. I don't often find myself having to address this criticism. I was thinking that, like other aspects of the Atonement, surely it must have been foreshadowed and prophesied. I found this OT verse... But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53:5 Delving deeper into Thayer's Lexicon, I see that the usages of bruised are all "crushed". Knowing that "Gethsemane" is "oil press," the symbolism pops into view. Jesus Christ was crushed under the weight of our sins in Gethsemane (oil press) such that he bled from every pore. Feel free to critique this, whether or not you think it's a good way to support our doctrine. Perhaps this is also a different way to view the symbolism of olive oil.- 66 replies
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I thought you might find Maxine Hanks' recent interview with Benjamin Park to be interesting. At least for me, it gave some details I had not heard before. Recall that Maxine Hanks was one of the "September 6" excommunicated or disfellowshipped in 1993. She was rebaptized about 20 years later. It starts at about timestamp 35:45. At 47:50, we see from her perspective that the LDS leadership did NOT direct that these people should be excommunicated, only that disciplinary councils be held over doctrinal concerns, which is expected and not unreasonable (previous to that timestamp). On her first visit to the temple after being rebaptized, she met the stake president who excommunicated her. He said he had to make a judgment call based on their not communicating with him, but if they had, things might have been different. I freely admit and agree that the leaking to others that these DCs were coming down the pipe is contrary to the notion that these are private matters. She has an important and excellent point about members against members trying to get others excommunicated. She talks about her spiritual journey after 1993 and her realization that she had misjudged LDS leaders. Benjamin Park? I think he's generally pretty good as a historian and a very good speaker. I do not always concur with some of his conclusions and inferences or those of his guests. Inside the September 6 Excommunications - Benjamin Park
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Perhaps there are multiple batches, one each for a different world, and what we read in the scriptures is only regarding the batch for this earth.
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One of my thoughts is that Israel is so prepared and on the ball militarily (the occasional setback notwithstanding) that it is unlikely they will ever be in much danger...UNTIL there is a general peace in the region. That is when the countdown starts. With peace, Israel will lose its edge and be wide open to attack from its enemies, who are playing the long game. One could also look for the day when the United States no longer supports Israel as a sign that the time is at hand.
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Church Catalog releases John Taylor's 1886 Revelation
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Temple Lot Case. Apart from those, most of the sealings appear to be purely sealings (dynastic). -
Pew Research on Religious Nationalism Worldwide
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I believe Nationalism, by itself, no adjectives, is an absolute requirement for liberty and freedom. Consider the extreme example of a one-world government. There is nothing you can do if you don't like that government, and nowhere to escape if that government comes after you. On the other hand, in the United States (where we can be loyal and devoted to individual states), if you don't like California, you can go to Nebraska. And state that at some point, you didn't like can become likable again. -
Agreed. I, too, believe these statements do not put evolution out of bounds. The 1931 First Presidency Statement allows for the existence of pre-Adamite (pre-Fall) races of man. I've always felt 2 Nephi 2:22 navigates death before the Fall. During the creative process, there is death and evolution. There is an end to the creative process before the Garden state. Basically, everything is created INTO the state of no death to await the Fall. Death and evolution continue after the Fall.
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Church Catalog releases John Taylor's 1886 Revelation
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Looks like yet another big nothing burger. The New and Everlasting Covenant still stands as official doctrine, and the plural marriage aspect of it is still governed by D&C 132:38 and Jacob 2:30.
