'garment Survey' On Any Church Statement?

[Ham Clam]

I heard about the survey the Church put out about garments.

I posted in a couple of ward FB groups, but one guy is skeptical about it. Besides the direct survey link, did the Church put anything out about it on an official page?

Edited January 31, 2015 by Ham Clam

[Calm]

I believe the address is legit. The Church puts out surveys quite a bit so I don't see a reason to doubt this one.

[Ham Clam]

I should have just posted the survey link directly instead of an article talking about it.

Called Beehive Clothing about it. You have to go to the 'Garments' page on www.store.lds.org and go to the bottom on the page and click on 'Do You Have Any Feedback About This Page?' to go to the link.

I will find my anwser,

[pcarthew]

calmoriah is right  the link is legit

[ALarson]

Here's a write up about it:

http://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/faith/2117286-155/lds-church-asking-mormons-for-input

 

My wife took the survey and submitted it.  She's pretty happy with the new style of garments, so reported that.

 

I also know that some of the younger women in our ward have been wearing their garments on top of their other under garments (trying not to be too graphic here) and that seems to be a new trend for many here.  I've even heard them discuss it.  That kind of surprised me actually.

[rockpond]

Everyone should take the survey and request that Modal be added to the fabric options. You'll thank me later.

[canard78]

Here's a write up about it:

http://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/faith/2117286-155/lds-church-asking-mormons-for-input

My wife took the survey and submitted it. She's pretty happy with the new style of garments, so reported that.

I also know that some of the younger women in our ward have been wearing their garments on top of their other under garments (trying not to be too graphic here) and that seems to be a new trend for many here. I've even heard them discuss it. That kind of surprised me actually.

You're surprised that they discuss it or you're surprised that they wear their bra underneath their garment top?

The idea that women should wear a bra over the top of the garment top is based on old knowledge often passed onto new patrons by a temple president's wife. It's an oral tradition as far as I know that's not actually supported by any current manual, documentation or statement in the ordinance.

[Tacenda]

Everyone should take the survey and request that Modal be added to the fabric options. You'll thank me later.

What is Modal, if it's anything to help garments stay white, I'm all for!

I took the poll the other day but because I have several styles, will have to take several surveys.

Btw, I love having a barrier between a bra and skin, one reason it would be difficult to give up wearing them.

[rockpond]

What is Modal, if it's anything to help garments stay white, I'm all for!

I took the poll the other day but because I have several styles, will have to take several surveys.

Btw, I love having a barrier between a bra and skin, one reason it would be difficult to give up wearing them.

Modal is a type of rayon,[1] a semi-synthetic cellulose fiber made by spinning reconstituted cellulose, in this case often from beech trees. Modal is used alone or with other fibers (often cotton or spandex) in household items such as pajamas, towels, bathrobes, underwear and bedsheets.

Manufacturers claim a number of advantages for the fiber: about 50% more hygroscopic (water-absorbent) per unit volume than cotton, takes dye like cotton, color-fast when washed in warm water, resistant to shrinkage and fading but prone to stretching and pilling. It is also claimed that mineral deposits from hard water do not stick to the fabric surface. It is smooth and soft, more so than mercerized cotton, though some perceive it to have a synthetic texture. Modal fabrics should be washed at lower temperatures and, like cotton, are often ironed after washing.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_(textile)

[Calm]

The idea that women should wear a bra over the top of the garment top is based on old knowledge often passed onto new patrons by a temple president's wife. It's an oral tradition as far as I know that's not actually supported by any current manual, documentation or statement in the ordinance.

Yep. I was told that it was okay over thirty years ago, but I still hear of women being told otherwise. Whatever is most comfortable for you....

Edited January 31, 2015 by calmoriah

[mnn727]

 

I also know that some of the younger women in our ward have been wearing their garments on top of their other under garments (trying not to be too graphic here) and that seems to be a new trend for many here.  I've even heard them discuss it.  That kind of surprised me actually.

DW was told to wear them under by the Temple Matron when she took out her endownments, she tried it once and never wore them like that again -- too uncomfortable. It may work for smaller women but that does not describe my wiife

[Calm]

Yep, garments underneath cuts down on support.

[JLHPROF]

http://lds.net/blog/buzz/lds-news/lds-church-calls-member-input-temple-garments/

 

I got an email about the survey asking for member input.

 

I know I'm alone in this, but we sure have changed our views since Pres. Joseph F. Smith taught:

 

"The Lord has given unto us garments of the holy priesthood, and you know what that means. And yet there are those of us who mutilate them, in order that we may follow the foolish, vain and indecent practices of the world."

"In order that such people may imitate the fashions, they will not hesitate to mutilate that which should be held by them the most sacred of all things in the world, next to their own virtue, next to their own purity of life. They should hold these things that God has given unto them sacred, unchanged and unaltered from the very pattern in which God gave them. Let us have the moral courage to stand against the opinions of fashion, and especially where fashion compels us to break a covenant and so commit a grievous sin."

 

and then Pres. Smith had the following posted in every temple entrance until President Heber J. Grant had them taken down.

 

 

"Each individual should be provided with the endowment clothing they need. The garments must be clean and white, and of the approved pattern; they must not be altered or mutilated, and are to be worn as intended, down to the wrist and ankles, and around the neck. These requirements are imperative; admission to the Temple will be refused to those who do not comply therewith.”

[mfbukowski]

You're surprised that they discuss it or you're surprised that they wear their bra underneath their garment top?

The idea that women should wear a bra over the top of the garment top is based on old knowledge often passed onto new patrons by a temple president's wife. It's an oral tradition as far as I know that's not actually supported by any current manual, documentation or statement in the ordinance.

So you are in a temple presidency and have access to the temple manual?

[mfbukowski]

Yep. I was told that it was okay over thirty years ago, but I still hear of women being told otherwise. Whatever is most comfortable for you....

That's the way it's taught hereabouts.

[Garden Girl]

Yep. I was told that it was okay over thirty years ago, but I still hear of women being told otherwise. Whatever is most comfortable for you....

 

I was told by the matron in 1996 that the garments go under other items of clothing... and have never heard it said it could be otherwise...

 

GG

Edited February 9, 2015 by Garden Girl

[The Nehor]

I was told by the matron in 1996 that the garments go under other items of clothing... and have never heard it said it could be otherwise...

 

GG

Then I violate this quite often. One more reason I am headed to hell I suppose.

[Buckeye]

http://lds.net/blog/buzz/lds-news/lds-church-calls-member-input-temple-garments/

 

I got an email about the survey asking for member input.

 

I know I'm alone in this, but we sure have changed our views since Pres. Joseph F. Smith taught:

 

and then Pres. Smith had the following posted in every temple entrance until President Heber J. Grant had them taken down.

 

That's a good segway to threads discussing whether doctrine can change. Leaders have taught that garment patterns do not and cannot change, but for some reason they keep changing despite the imperative. The same with doctrines.

[JeremyOrbe-Smith]

Yeah, it's silly to pretend that doctrines and garments don't change. I thought that was the whole idea of eternal progression and continuing revelation. "The Lord is extending the Saints' understanding", etc. 

 

Personally, I think garments make a lot more sense as part of Temple ritual rather than day-to-day underclothes. Speaking of, do any of the scholars here remember the paper or book that discussed the history of garments and mentioned the debates the brethren had in the 50s or 60s (or thereabouts) about phasing them out except in the Temple? I'm blanking on the source at the moment. 

[mfbukowski]

I know I am a man and therefore not permitted to know or say anything about these subjects, but I have a wife and daughters who have been endowed and temple workers, and golly gee, we sometimes actually talk about underwear!   I know that's shocking!

 

Fairly recently, in the last year or so, my understanding is that a letter went out to the temple matrons and presidents clarifying this question, and that is why there might be disagreement about what the present policy is.  The traditional teaching was different, according to my understanding.

 

The present policy is that there is no policy on whether or not garments should be under or on top of other underwear.  Don't take my word for it.  All you have to do is ask your temple matron.  If you don't have a current recommend, it is irrelevant anyway.

[JLHPROF]

That's a good segway to threads discussing whether doctrine can change. Leaders have taught that garment patterns do not and cannot change, but for some reason they keep changing despite the imperative. The same with doctrines.

 

That's because nobody wants to sit down and determine when, where and how the garments were restored.  If they were restored with a specific pattern it would require specific revelation to change them.  The Presidency who made the first significant changes specifically did not claim revelation when making the changes.

 

Actually, President Grant as good as said when the first major changes were made in the 1920's that they weren't given with any revealed pattern, despite the fact that the same revealed pattern can be seen even in many historical documents and there are several stories claiming they were, and previous prophets said they were.  Nibley's Temple and Cosmos shows numerous examples of the garment pattern.

 

If the pattern was revealed from heaven it would take revelation to change it.  President Grant claimed it wasn't and revelation wasn't necessary.  Other prophets (including his predecessor Joseph F. Smith) stated otherwise.

 

Just another example of conflicting prophetic teachings.

[Tacenda]

I know I am a man and therefore not permitted to know or say anything about these subjects, but I have a wife and daughters who have been endowed and temple workers, and golly gee, we sometimes actually talk about underwear! I know that's shocking!

Fairly recently, in the last year or so, my understanding is that a letter went out to the temple matrons and presidents clarifying this question, and that is why there might be disagreement about what the present policy is. The traditional teaching was different, according to my understanding.

The present policy is that there is no policy on whether or not garments should be under or on top of other underwear. Don't take my word for it. All you have to do is ask your temple matron. If you don't have a current recommend, it is irrelevant anyway.

I think the church is open to changes, it changed the temple ceremony, and had put out a questionaire beforehand. I think after reading and taking the recent garment survey the church seems to want to make it easy on members with the garments, especially when health is involved, mentally and physically.

This may sound ridiculous but some people are allergic, or develop symptons from wearing them. The mental part comes from the garment being extremely uncomfortable for one reason or another. And to live with that day in and day out can affect someone mentally.

So I think the church understands this, therefore they're looking into fixing things. And I've read that the current info out there says it doesn't matter if the garment's underneath or on top. Especially for the reasons mentioned above.

[Thinking]

The Huffington Post just published an article about the survey.

[Hamba Tuhan]

Just another example of conflicting prophetic teachings.

 

I find it fascinating that politics is not the only arena where extreme Left and Right tend to reach all the way around the circle and meet up with each other.

[Calm]

The Huffington Post just published an article about the survey.

Why the world is interested in our underwear is beyond me.