Tim Ballard

[ttribe]

11 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

The exposure will have a profound impact on their lives.  

Unfortunately, that is true. But, we've already seen (on this very board) how some considered their claims to be less credible while anonymous. 

[longview]

The accused has the right to face the accusers. Plus have the right to examine all the evidences for and against.

[Calm]

52 minutes ago, longview said:

The accused has the right to face the accusers. Plus have the right to examine all the evidences for and against.

In court, sure.  In public, not required by law.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, longview said:

The accused has the right to face the accusers. Plus have the right to examine all the evidences for and against.

They do if there is a trial. I wouldn’t risk it if I were him.

[Tacenda]

5 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

The exposure will have a profound impact on their lives.  

I'm sure it will, I think by not coming out at the very first it gave time for any nutcase that wants to go after them, some evidence to their reports. It took marination of evidence, and so it was a good call on their part. 

This is going to air on my local 10:00 pm news tonight, the group of them speaking out. Now I can't remember, but think it's on KSL, for those that live in Utah.

Then there's this article that came out today, Tim Ballard is truly a loser and an evil doer IMO. 

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/lawsuit-claims-tim-ballard-refused-to-call-ambulance-after-womans-traumatic-head-injury?fbclid=IwAR05EniJtziZyB2vHibVsVE2Q043LmF3_nd-mH32blSWCOKr4gZ5XVIfsDw

[SeekingUnderstanding]

15 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

The exposure will have a profound impact on their lives.  

Hopefully waiting so long in this case will help. We not only have a very public disavowal by the church, but many very vocal and prominent backers of Ballard have come out publicly against him.  

[Tacenda]

23 minutes ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

Hopefully waiting so long in this case will help. We not only have a very public disavowal by the church, but many very vocal and prominent backers of Ballard have come out publicly against him.  

What is it called when someone keeps acting like nothing happened. 

 

[Calm]

26 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

What is it called when someone keeps acting like nothing happened. 

 

They are in denial?

It is the only strategy that makes sense for Tim Ballard, imo, keep playing to that segment of his fans that still believe in him.  If he can stay out of jail, maybe he can make a decent income*** as a martyr for the cause, doing speeches and podcasts for the still devoted even if local governments and police refuse to work with him, so being the hero on rescues are out of the question.  Katherine may truly believe him as well, it sounds like he prepared her for it coming out by telling her that women were falling in love with him, etc.  They have a large family (9 children) and I can imagine Katherine hates the idea of divorce for at least the kids’ sake.  I feel so sorry for the kids, I wonder if they are being homeschooled to protect them from gossip and bullying.

***he may be hoping he can beat the lawsuit still or that it won’t be substantial damages; is it likely there may be criminal charges against him in the future if he duped them into agreeing to have an affair or some sort of sexual interaction/couples’ ruse gone too far?

Edited November 22, 2023 by Calm

[The Nehor]

51 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

What is it called when someone keeps acting like nothing happened. 

 

Desperation mostly. The hope that if you just keep doing what you are doing the whole thing will blow over. It sometimes even works.

[MustardSeed]

Denial is a very useful defense mechanism for children. It’s pretty dangerous for adults.

 

*eta and we all do it to some degree imo

Edited November 22, 2023 by MustardSeed

[Tacenda]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

They are in denial?

It is the only strategy that makes sense for Tim Ballard, imo, keep playing to that segment of his fans that still believe in him.  If he can stay out of jail, maybe he can make a decent income*** as a martyr for the cause, doing speeches and podcasts for the still devoted even if local governments and police refuse to work with him, so being the hero on rescues are out of the question.  Katherine may truly believe him as well, it sounds like he prepared her for it coming out by telling her that women were falling in love with him, etc.  They have a large family (9 children) and I can imagine Katherine hates the idea of divorce for at least the kids’ sake.  I feel so sorry for the kids, I wonder if they are being homeschooled to protect them from gossip and bullying.

***he may be hoping he can beat the lawsuit still or that it won’t be substantial damages; is it likely there may be criminal charges against him in the future if he duped them into agreeing to have an affair or some sort of sexual interaction/couples’ ruse gone too far?

Yes, agree to everything you've said. I feel for the kids and Katherine and keep thinking of them. And I'm sure there's a whole lot of people that still believe in Tim, I just had to read the comments on this youtube and it was just a few days ago to see that. Maybe they aren't in Utah and haven't seen the local news. I wish Tim would just repent, admit and suffer any consequences from it and hopefully redeem himself in other ways for those in need and go to sex addiction class, if that is what he might be dealing with. Or whatever he's dealing with. But I am not going to fall in line to those that put him above these women, almost went there just now in feeling sorry for the guy. 

 

Edited November 22, 2023 by Tacenda

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, MustardSeed said:

Denial is a very useful defense mechanism for children. It’s pretty dangerous for adults.

 

*eta and we all do it to some degree imo

I DO NOT!!!

[longview]

19 hours ago, Calm said:

In court, sure.  In public, not required by law.

In court, fairness does not always prevail. In public, the accused can be subjected to a living hell (sometimes by the dominant media ramped up to a frenzy of hate).

19 hours ago, The Nehor said:

They do if there is a trial. I wouldn’t risk it if I were him.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. There is too frequently a shocking lack of due process in many areas of society.

[The Nehor]

21 minutes ago, longview said:

In court, fairness does not always prevail. In public, the accused can be subjected to a living hell (sometimes by the dominant media ramped up to a frenzy of hate).

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. There is too frequently a shocking lack of due process in many areas of society.

Yeah, but this isn’t one of those cases.

[Calm]

55 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Yeah, but this isn’t one of those cases.

One of the few cases you can almost guarantee it is not a dominant media frenzy given how so many of his media supporters have turned to supporting the accusations after speaking to the victims, talking to church sources apparently.

Are there any major or even minor players backing him still?

Edited November 22, 2023 by Calm

[ttribe]

1 hour ago, longview said:

In court, fairness does not always prevail. In public, the accused can be subjected to a living hell (sometimes by the dominant media ramped up to a frenzy of hate).

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. There is too frequently a shocking lack of due process in many areas of society.

You haven't read any of the victims' statements, have you?

[longview]

4 hours ago, ttribe said:

You haven't read any of the victims' statements, have you?

I have read them and do NOT discount them. Simply relieved that they have consented to go public. I would agree that it is looking bad for TB.

[teddyaware]

Tim Ballard is either the victim of a MeeToo money extortion hit job, or he’s a flat out sociopath. In these two videos, the first released yesterday and other today, he appears far too calm and at peace with himself to be lying, unless he’s a sociopath on steroids…

 

[SeekingUnderstanding]

14 minutes ago, teddyaware said:

Tim Ballard is either the victim of a MeeToo money extortion hit job, or he’s a flat out sociopath. In these two videos, the first released yesterday and other today, he appears far too calm and at peace with himself to be lying, unless he’s a sociopath on steroids…

 

Good to see your power of discernment in action!

[MustardSeed]

26 minutes ago, teddyaware said:

Tim Ballard is either the victim of a MeeToo money extortion hit job, or he’s a flat out sociopath. In these two videos, the first released yesterday and other today, he appears far too calm and at peace with himself to be lying, unless he’s a sociopath on steroids…

 

Looks like someone has beef with the meeeeee tooooo movement.  I’m not going to name names here. 

[CA Steve]

41 minutes ago, teddyaware said:

Tim Ballard is either the victim of a MeeToo money extortion hit job, or he’s a flat out sociopath. In these two videos, the first released yesterday and other today, he appears far too calm and at peace with himself to be lying, unless he’s a sociopath on steroids…

 

Why is it that nobody ever considers the possibility that they are not very good at spotting liars?

You have been deceived. The longer you ignore that fact the harder it will be to admit to yourself.

Once you figure it out, you may want to consider where/who else has misled you.

[Tacenda]

2 hours ago, CA Steve said:

Why is it that nobody ever considers the possibility that they are not very good at spotting liars?

You have been deceived. The longer you ignore that fact the harder it will be to admit to yourself.

Once you figure it out, you may want to consider where/who else has misled you.

And it also means the church's leaders have zero power of discernment if someone believes in Tim's total innocence. 

[InCognitus]

2 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

And it also means the church's leaders have zero power of discernment if someone believes in Tim's total innocence. 

That's a false dichotomy.  It's not an all or nothing thing with discernment, especially for things outside of one's calling or stewardship. 

[Tacenda]

2 minutes ago, InCognitus said:

That's a false dichotomy.  It's not an all or nothing thing with discernment, especially for things outside of one's calling or stewardship. 

Okay, I'm not explaining very well, and I tend to not do that well. What I am trying to say is, if you believe the leaders on most everything else why not this one thing, especially with evidence and witness testimony.

[InCognitus]

4 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Okay, I'm not explaining very well, and I tend to not do that well. What I am trying to say is, if you believe the leaders on most everything else why not this one thing, especially with evidence and witness testimony.

Yes, and I was about to amend my comment to say that I was speaking specifically of what you said in your comment.  There seem to be other motivations that people have for weighing in against the evidence in the Tim Ballard situation.