Tim Ballard

[Anonymous Mormon]

6 minutes ago, Calm said:

You don’t believe Joseph was actually referring to Christ given the full quote?

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/home-page/current-events/the-vallow-daybell-trial/davidic-servant

I have never seen this full quote referenced before. I'll have to look at it and get back to you.

[Anonymous Mormon]

3 hours ago, Teancum said:

Gileadi pronote the Davidic messenger that plays into the white horse prophecy.  The church leaders have attempted to debunk that prophecy.  And I understand why.  It threatens the top leadership.  Gileadi's ex wife claims he advocates for "spiritual wifery."  If you listen to the podcast there are videos of Gileadi talking about the fact that most member are ignorant and do not have the insight he has.  He also claims the LDS prophet does not have the insight on Isaiah and the Davidic messenger that he has.

The man advocates for extreme views on the last days that the LDS leadership seems to speak out against. He speaks at conferences that advocate extremism.  Advocating for the book Visions of Glory seems problematic to me.

 

I am guessing that Gileadi has not enjoyed the negative attention from the recent Mormon Stories podcast. Here is a new official statement on his website:
 

October 27, 2023

Prophecies of a Latter-Day David
(See also Official Church Publications About a Latter-Day David)

The Isaiah Institute’s teachings concerning a latter-day David are firmly anchored in the Word of God—as evident in the prophecies of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and others—and not on dreams or personal interpretations. We hold the conviction that the emergence of this anticipated Davidic servant will align with historical and scriptural patterns that serve as a hedge against counterfeits, and that his appearance will occur in the Lord’s own due time.

The Isaiah Institute has consistently maintained that we neither endorse nor encourage individuals to identify as the latter-day David nor validate any claims regarding his identity. We encourage people to search the Word of God for themselves, as all are commanded, and to avoid deception. We emphatically caution everyone against engaging with groups or individuals who profess to be this Davidic servant or who claim knowledge of his identity.

We encourage all to focus on the Lord Jesus Christ and his gospel of repentance and peace.

 

From everything I see about Gileadi, he is very certain of his views (which at times I disagree with), but is trying hard to be a member of the church in good standing.

[Stormin' Mormon]

40 minutes ago, Calm said:

If you mean with Keystone and not his other business ventures, where do you believe he screwed up?

From the judge’s opinion, it sounds more like the SEC screwed up to me.

I was making an arguendo statement.  Even if the allegation is true, that he did in fact screw up in some way, he apparently learned his lesson and continued with a less scandally business career for another 15 years. For me, there's more evidence of his character in those 15 subsequent years than in a one-off event that might or might not have been a scandal or a fraud. It's in those 15 years that we witness, what, if any, lessons he may have taken from the experience.  

  

Edited November 8 by Stormin' Mormon

[ttribe]

ClickFunnels founder says Elder Ballard introduced him to T Ballard.

https://news.yahoo.com/clickfunnels-founder-claims-lds-church-005008004.html?guccounter=1

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Anonymous Mormon said:

I have never seen this full quote referenced before. I'll have to look at it and get back to you.

I thought I had posted the reference in this thread as well, but it was Tacenda and she didn’t specify the partial quote.

You may have missed another concurrent discussion about Gileadi, which is where I did post the quote info and there is some material in the thread on why Gileadi is problematic.

https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/75596-a-new-idea-about-2-nephi-12-24isaiah-2-14/?do=findComment&comment=1210166620

 

Edited November 8 by Calm

[Calm]

On 11/8/2023 at 11:13 AM, ttribe said:

ClickFunnels founder says Elder Ballard introduced him to T Ballard.

https://news.yahoo.com/clickfunnels-founder-claims-lds-church-005008004.html?guccounter=1

Didn’t go anywhere…

It has been removed from the ABC4 original site as well.  Might be some errors leading to removal, so read this with caution:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:QIkDtC02xD8J:https://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/new-allegations-against-tim-ballard-claim-close-ties-to-attorney-general-lds-church-and-more/&hl=en&gl=us&client=safari

added:  the original cached one was missing as well….hmmmm….so found another one, but found wayback too just in case 

https://web.archive.org/web/20231104100251/https://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/new-allegations-against-tim-ballard-claim-close-ties-to-attorney-general-lds-church-and-more/

Added:  let’s see if this will work…

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Brunson vehemently claimed in his video that the LDS statement was “fake” and had been obtained, in his opinion, from “rogue employees” of the church. Brunson has made no further statement on social media about the Tim Ballard situation, and he had not responded to requests for comment from ABC4.com prior to this piece being published.

again added:  pretty sure this was mentioned before because of Lynn Packer’s reporting of Brunson’s video

Also….ech….

https://goto.clickfunnels.com/our

Edited November 11 by Calm

[Calm]

37 minutes ago, ttribe said:

ClickFunnels founder says Elder Ballard introduced him to T Ballard.

https://news.yahoo.com/clickfunnels-founder-claims-lds-church-005008004.html?guccounter=1

I would not be surprised if Elder Ballard introduced Tim Ballard to many people.  The issue for me is whether he did so as a church representative or on his own personal behalf.  

It would be interesting to know where Brunson met with Elder Ballard and Tim Ballard; was it at Brunson’s offices, OUR’s, a fundraising or other event, Elder Ballard’s home, Elder Ballard’s church office?  Only in the last would I automatically assume he was representing the Church as long as he didn’t say “I am on my break, didn’t have time to discuss elsewhere, this is a personal request” or some such thing.  Brunson talks about “rooms”, which implies to me more of an event rather than an office, but he could have misspoken as he was talking fast iirc or I could be misinterpreting.

I know some people view anything done by an apostle as done for the Church, but I think there should be a distinction.  Obviously when Elder Ballard submits a voting ballot, it is for himself, not the Church.  Same thing when attending family and friends’ get togethers.  Gets harder to determine in other areas. There may or may not be some way the Church instructs apostles to do this; I hope there is, but Church policy makers may assume it is just a common sense thing and have nothing procedural involved.

Edited November 8 by Calm

[ttribe]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

Didn’t go anywhere…

It has been removed from the ABC4 original site as well.  Might be some errors leading to removal, so read this with caution:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:eE7ctygTX_UJ:https://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/clickfunnels-founder-claims-lds-church-elder-set-up-meeting-with-tim-ballard/&hl=en&gl=us&client=safari

Added:  let’s see if this will work…

again added:  pretty sure this was mentioned before because of Lynn Packer’s reporting of Brunson’s video

Also….ech….

https://goto.clickfunnels.com/our

Interestingly enough, it seems the link has been getting scrubbed from the Internet with extreme prejudice today. The original video to which the story referred is still floating around out there.

[ttribe]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

I would not be surprised if Elder Ballard introduced Tim Ballard to many people.  The issue for me is whether he did so as a church representative or on his own personal behalf.  

It would be interesting to know where Brunson met with Elder Ballard and Tim Ballard; was it at Brunson’s offices, OUR’s, a fundraising or other event, Elder Ballard’s home, Elder Ballard’s church office?  Only in the last would I automatically assume he was representing the Church as long as he didn’t say “I am on my break, didn’t have time to discuss elsewhere, this is a personal request” or some such thing.  Brunson talks about “rooms”, which implies to me more of an event rather than an office, but he could have misspoken as he was talking fast iirc or I could be misinterpreting.

I know some people view anything done by an apostle as done for the Church, but I think there should be a distinction.  Obviously when Elder Ballard submits a voting ballot, it is for himself, not the Church.  Same thing when attending family and friends’ get togethers.  Gets harder to determine in other areas. There may or may not be some way the Church instructs apostles to do this; I hope there is, but Church policy makers may assume it is just a common sense thing and have nothing procedural involved.

I'm certainly not someone who can't see that nuance, but IIRC the 'disavowal' seemed to try to distance MRB from TB quite a bit. Either way, it's a salient piece of information.

[Teancum]

6 hours ago, Calm said:

I would not be surprised if Elder Ballard introduced Tim Ballard to many people.  The issue for me is whether he did so as a church representative or on his own personal behalf.

Isn't pretty much impossible for and LDS apostle to separate the two?

[Calm]

2 hours ago, Teancum said:

Isn't pretty much impossible for and LDS apostle to separate the two?

Probably for a lot of people,  but that seems really unfair if so to me.  I tend to be pro privacy in this area. I had a boss for a part time job (less than 8 hours a week, I did it for fun and to buy books), who basically told me I could not participate in anything that might take money away from him in my free time (he was banning me from volunteer work for the FAIR bookstore).  That so pissed me off.  I quit shortly afterwards. He made too big of a deal about loyalty as if he was the one providing for all my needs instead of giving me only as much as the government forced him to.  His behaviour really upped my feelings in this area that work covers the hours it contracts for and no more. 

I think any kind of celebrity should be able to have a substantial private life and not just when they get home and the door is closed, but private scandals and private opinions can destroy one’s career and opportunities if it becomes public because there are plenty who don’t believe that. I expect church leaders are going to have to be even more cautious in the future if the Church is going to want to make that distinction, to present it as “Elder Ballard is the one who supported and/or endorsed OUR, not the Church”, which I am thinking was the distinction made in the statement. 

Edited November 9 by Calm

[Calm]

5 hours ago, ttribe said:

with extreme prejudice today

I got that impression. I am wondering why. ABC4 had said they were working on the story. I am wondering what popped up. 

[Calm]

5 hours ago, ttribe said:

I'm certainly not someone who can't see that nuance, but IIRC the 'disavowal' seemed to try to distance MRB from TB quite a bit. Either way, it's a salient piece of information.

I think the disavowal was overstated when it came to prior relationships. 

[Tacenda]

I'm sorry I'm using this thread to post, but thought it kind of being close since Tim Ballard is supposedly suppose to bring in the second coming. Now I guess we have another cuckoo for cocoa puffs on our hands. https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=73100&sid=739ca84588d40fca390aea94e3a90f2f

 

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Tacenda said:

I'm sorry I'm using this thread to post, but thought it kind of being close since Tim Ballard is supposedly suppose to bring in the second coming. Now I guess we have another cuckoo for cocoa puffs on our hands. https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=73100&sid=739ca84588d40fca390aea94e3a90f2f

 

Apparently this one is a follower of Denver Snuffer.  And another poster says he knows the guy’s family, he is bipolar and is currently in a manic phase.  So I don’t think we should be rehashing his stuff.

One of the commenters on that thread talks about Davidic Servants….

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. On my YT channel I have had 2 people contact me and say they are the Davidic servant. One person "prophesied" that during this last Oct conference the LDS church would merge with the Catholic church, there would be a large earthquake, and he would be there to lead the members.

I firmly believe that God can destroy a city in a day. However, unless it is in the scriptures or God tell me directly then I will just continue to prepare and wait day by day.

I do think though that with the way things are progressing that escaping large cities, like Boise, is a good idea. When things get really challenging then living with a bunch of other people is going to be a bad idea. Your "friends" will no longer be friends when they have nothing left.

I find it sad he is assuming that you won’t be able to rely on anyone else.  I don’t see much purpose in surviving just as a family unit myself, though I suppose if it’s only a very short time until Christ comes perhaps isolation from the rest of humanity wouldn’t destroy the purpose of life as taught in the gospel.

Edited November 15 by Calm

[The Nehor]

A lot of these people LUST after a world where society collapses because they are convinced they will be someone in such a society. It is more likely they will be dead.

[bluebell]

41 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

A lot of these people LUST after a world where society collapses because they are convinced they will be someone in such a society. It is more likely they will be dead.

I was just thinking that same thing, that these people really want to be important in some way.

I wonder if Elder Bednar's conference talk on how amazing run-of-the-mill saints are was a tiny bit to combat this idea that it's better to be "spiritually special"--better to be first--than being the saints in the last wagon?

[InCognitus]

51 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

A lot of these people LUST after a world where society collapses because they are convinced they will be someone in such a society. It is more likely they will be dead.

Sadly, I think it would be more accurate to say that they would be "someone" in contributing to the collapse of that society. 

[The Nehor]

35 minutes ago, InCognitus said:

Sadly, I think it would be more accurate to say that they would be "someone" in contributing to the collapse of that society. 

And later be “someone” when eating their corpse lets the cannibals of the wastes survive for another week.

[Calm]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

A lot of these people LUST after a world where society collapses because they are convinced they will be someone in such a society. It is more likely they will be dead.

The thought of such a society makes me ill.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

The thought of such a society makes me ill.

Yeah, if it happens i expect to die quickly.

[Tacenda]

Me thinks that he forgot the people he should be serving and focused on Ballard a little too much. 

Article heading: How does the AG spend his time? Utah's top cop fighting to keep his calendar secret.https://www.ksl.com/article/50789426/how-does-the-ag-spend-his-time-utahs-top-cop-fighting-to-keep-his-calendar-secret-?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=news&utm_content=politics&fbclid=IwAR0MLoUp5n5G-06YXmAHo3kzaL2LTi0LVwTdvcNe07as6e0NhwBb0NTHU_Y

[Tacenda]

Today on Salt Lake Tribune, floodlit was able to copy it and shared on reddit.

Intro to the article: 

Lindon police are investigating a woman’s allegation that embattled anti-trafficking activist Tim Ballard sexually assaulted her, the first known instance of an abuse accusation being made to law enforcement after similar statements made in two civil lawsuits.

https://floodlit.org/a/a721/#url-source-list-item-7

[ttribe]

The six plaintiffs have dropped their anonymity:

 

[MustardSeed]

The exposure will have a profound impact on their lives.