Daybell-Vallow trial

[Calm]

Thanks for posting this.  Completely spaced on it.  I don’t know if you have been following the case much, but it sounds like what she said at sentencing iirc and in her interview with her son.  If so, I am not interested in her delusions/excuses, haven’t been since she said Tylee killed JJ.  Still using her kids in horrible ways to make herself look good and her life more comfortable/glamorous.

Edited March 31, 2025 by Calm

[grapevine]

A jury is seated for Charles Vallows murder trial.  Many people were excused yesterday.  But first group of individual void doir jurors made it through.  That is we’re you are questioned individually.  Those whose names were not called probably a relief to them.  I wouldn’t mind serving on a jury myself.  Never have.  However a trial like this would be disrupting.  Can you get on with life normal after the trial?  Who male 🐄 💩 there way out of jury duty if they can?  Most trials don’t go to jury anyway, and those that do rarely last for more than a week.

 

Sex crime trials and what the jury in Idaho and now will leave images in your mind you have a hard time getting out.  I’m sure attorneys that have to deal with cases like that frequently do what they can do block things out of there mind.

 

Hearing Lori won’t be fun.  What will she say.  I don’t think it will go tell the middle of May.  Actual trial starts next week.

[Calm]

I find the idea of being in court watching a trial very interesting, early on because I thought they were at least sort of like Perry Mason (I even read the books), but once I was an adult the technical, detailed nitpicky side was more interesting to me.

Like constructing math proofs…which I adore doing.

But the idea of serving on a jury never appealed, mainly because I don’t like sitting for very long. I would feel quite trapped by the situation not being able to get up and walk out.

Then it would likely not be seeing people at their best and I really don’t want to see people at their worst.  I would want to have the option of removing myself if it got too bad.

I got a jury summons once…which I ignored as it was during my worse anxiety/avoidance phase.  It actually did just go away if I ignored it.  Haven’t gotten any since.  Even if I did get one, I likely have a medical exemption as the not liking to sit for long periods of time is actually the result of a genetic disorder (thanks Dad, Grandpa) and doctors will send in a get out of jury duty free card for me anytime, I suspect.  And if that doesn’t work, I am sure there is something else medical I can appeal to.

[sunstoned]

I'm a bit behind on this, but this trial is receiving national attention. I saw a story on NBC about it, and The New York Times published an article on it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/01/us/lori-vallow-daybell-extradited-arizona.html

[Calm]

2 hours ago, sunstoned said:

I'm a bit behind on this, but this trial is receiving national attention. I saw a story on NBC about it, and The New York Times published an article on it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/01/us/lori-vallow-daybell-extradited-arizona.html

This is a year and a half out of date (doesn’t mean it’s not useful, just don’t want people to be confused).

East Idaho has live updates and summaries:

https://www.eastidahonews.com/news/daybell/
 

fox10phoenix is the other news source has done a good job as well (there are numerous recent articles, these are just two that looked interesting):

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/lori-vallow-daybell-murder-conspiracy-trial-opening-statements

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/lori-vallow-daybell-murder-conspiracy-trial-day-2

Edited April 9, 2025 by Calm

[Ginger Snaps]

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/verdict-reached-murder-conspiracy-trial-doomsday-mom-lori/story?id=121032614
 

 

[Calm]

29 minutes ago, Ginger Snaps said:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/verdict-reached-murder-conspiracy-trial-doomsday-mom-lori/story?id=121032614
 

 

Just two weeks or so.  Faster than expected, but no defense.  Not surprising to me.

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Three jurors who spoke to reporters following the verdict said the text message evidence in the case had stood out while they were deliberating. The jurors said they had no knowledge of Lori Daybell's prior convictions, which were not discussed during the Phoenix trial.

Members of Vallow's family expressed relief at the guilty verdict.

"I'm ready to move on," Vallow's sister, Kay Woodcock, told reporters outside the courthouse.

"This was thrust upon us, and our lives just went into, like a tornado, for a long time," she said.

Following the guilty verdict, Lori Daybell agreed to several aggravating factors in the case, instead of having a jury make a finding on them. Among them, she agreed that this was a dangerous offense and that it involved the presence of an accomplice. When asked if she agreed that as a result of her conduct, the victim or the victim's family "suffered emotional or financial harm," she said, "Absolutely."

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2025/04/verdict-reached-in-lori-vallow-daybell-trial/

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Lori agrees that the victim’s family suffered emotional and physical harm. Also agrees that she had an accomplice. Lori stipulated to three factors. Judge is bringing in jury and releasing them.

3:51 p.m. Lori says she is willing to stipulate to aggravating factors. Jury would need to find if this was a dangerous offense and if it causes financial harm or the victim died because of the conduct. Lori says she will stipulate to these. “Do you understand the jury would have to find these aggravating factors beyond a reasonable doubt?” Lori says yes. Judge could also find additional aggravating factors at sentencing.

3:50 p.m. Judge asks the clerk to poll the jury. She asks if it’s their true verdict. All say yes. Judge asks the jury to retire and be back in a few minutes.

3:49 p.m. GUILTY

3:47 p.m. Judge asks the foreperson if the jury has reached a verdict. “Yes we have.” Judge asks him to hand the verdict to his clerk. 

 

Wonder how she is rationalizing her behaviour as it looks like she is agreeing with the sentence and everything.    I wonder what would happen if she hadn’t stipulated?

She knows she is in jail for the rest of her life, so maybe this trial was something to ease her boredom, give her a chance to get attention again.

One more trial to go.

Edited April 23, 2025 by Calm

[Raingirl]

15 hours ago, Calm said:

Just two weeks or so.  Faster than expected, but no defense.  Not surprising to me.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2025/04/verdict-reached-in-lori-vallow-daybell-trial/

Wonder how she is rationalizing her behaviour as it looks like she is agreeing with the sentence and everything.    I wonder what would happen if she hadn’t stipulated?

She knows she is in jail for the rest of her life, so maybe this trial was something to ease her boredom, give her a chance to get attention again.

One more trial to go.

I saw some video from the trial.  She was cross examining a witness.  Someone who had dated her husband. Lori was absolutely vile.  The witness wasn’t taking any crap from her, and even got in a few jabs.  
 

Lori is definitely an attention seeker. 

[Rain]

I don't want to make this political, but have a question.  I saw news of the verdict on an instagram story. I've only ever seen political stuff on that person's posts and stories before and tons of it.  Does the Lori Vallow story have some political connection I've not seen before or was that random?

[Calm]

2 hours ago, Rain said:

I don't want to make this political, but have a question.  I saw news of the verdict on an instagram story. I've only ever seen political stuff on that person's posts and stories before and tons of it.  Does the Lori Vallow story have some political connection I've not seen before or was that random?

No politics I have seen.  Maybe the religious cult/end of the world aspect lumps it in there for that person?

[Tacenda]

18 hours ago, Calm said:

Just two weeks or so.  Faster than expected, but no defense.  Not surprising to me.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2025/04/verdict-reached-in-lori-vallow-daybell-trial/

Wonder how she is rationalizing her behaviour as it looks like she is agreeing with the sentence and everything.    I wonder what would happen if she hadn’t stipulated?

She knows she is in jail for the rest of her life, so maybe this trial was something to ease her boredom, give her a chance to get attention again.

One more trial to go.

My thoughts exactly.

[Rain]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

No politics I have seen.  Maybe the religious cult/end of the world aspect lumps it in there for that person?

Not that I could tell.  It was just so odd for it to be there for me.

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Rain said:

Not that I could tell.  It was just so odd for it to be there for me.

Are they LDS?  It’s been the only case I have ever followed closely, I don’t think I have discussed any other trial with anyone besides this one…except for cases mentioned on the board.  Not knowing what happened to the kids plus the church tie-in kept my attention.  Maybe there was something that caused them to fixate on it?

[Rain]

53 minutes ago, Calm said:

Are they LDS?  It’s been the only case I have ever followed closely, I don’t think I have discussed any other trial with anyone besides this one…except for cases mentioned on the board.  Not knowing what happened to the kids plus the church tie-in kept my attention.  Maybe there was something that caused them to fixate on it?

No idea.  It just really came out of left field for me.  

[grapevine]

Charles joined the church after marrying Lori.  And the woman he dated met on an LDS dating site.  Lori railed On her for dating a married man, I guess divorce wasn’t final while having her own affair with a married man.  Hypocrisy there.  I read a book by one of the jurors in Lori Vallows trial.  Said what he thought the church should do on some issues, said they didn’t believe in divorce and Chads sister in law left do to not listening and her gay son.

 

I,don’t think he is anti.  Urban Boise ward boundaries don’t cover very much geographic territory he knows many members I’m sure.  For both Idaho trials and the Arizona trial there I’m sure there were several active LDS jurors.  People don5 ask to serve on juries, get screened out.  His book interesting perspective, not sure how much he knows about church stuff though.

[Stargazer]

Lori Daybell found guilty of conspiracy to commit first degree murder.

 

[Calm]

I was just thinking about checking on this, but the spam made me lose interest.  Thanks for posting the update.

I never liked spam, even on camping trips.   Tastes too artificial to me.  And looks worse.

Edited June 14, 2025 by Calm

[Calm]

Here is a list of daily reports from East Idaho News, my go to site for this topic for those who want more details.  Apparently she was removed from court once while representing herself, so a little more drama than last time.  Have to run an errand or would provide more details.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/news/daybell/daybell-digest/

[Raingirl]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

I was just thinking about checking on this, but the spam made me lose interest.  Thanks for posting the update.

I never liked spam, even on camping trips.   Tastes too artificial to me.  And looks worse.

I see last night’s spam got removed, but there is currently over a dozen pages of new spam in Social Hall.  It’s getting really old. 

[Peacefully]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

I was just thinking about checking on this, but the spam made me lose interest.  Thanks for posting the update.

I never liked spam, even on camping trips.   Tastes too artificial to me.  And looks worse.

My mom would put pineapple and brown sugar on top of slices of spam and bake them. I loved it. She was really good at making inexpensive protein tasty. 

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Raingirl said:

I see last night’s spam got removed, but there is currently over a dozen pages of new spam in Social Hall.  It’s getting really old. 

I think a moderator (Chaos maybe) is being nice by trimming them (over 500 pages in Social iirc, possibly 700 depending on if some were deleted from the first night) once or twice daily, but we need to wait for Nemesis to be available as only he can do admin stuff it seems.

[Calm]

40 minutes ago, Peacefully said:

My mom would put pineapple and brown sugar on top of slices of spam and bake them. I loved it. She was really good at making inexpensive protein tasty. 

I have a sister-in-law who grew up in Hawaii and she has cooked with it in a similar fashion.  Spam is a big deal in Hawaii apparently (I never got there to confirm for myself and probably won’t, but my suitcase went when I was 14 as I was going with my dad for one of his trips to check out United’s maintenance facility, but I got bumped as I was traveling standby, which was the only way we could afford to fly back then, the perk of working for an airline).  I only remember spam fried over a fire and served with either fried eggs or between two pieces of bread (yech!)

[Tony uk]

I used to enjoy spam with chopped tomatoes for many years. 

[SeekingUnderstanding]

1 hour ago, Tony uk said:

I used to enjoy spam with chopped tomatoes for many years. 

Spam is nice, but I really wish I knew how to get ahold of Delta Airlines. 

[Calm]

A post trial interview of the victim in this case, Brandon Boudreaux 

I don’t have time to watch the whole thing. The questions are the usual how did you feel and I am not sure what else they could really ask, maybe he has some inside info or comments on what was left out, but there’s quite a bit of the interview left, so maybe they will get there.  I was surprised I wasn’t annoyed as I usually am by the “how did you feel” because his response were thoughtful and he comes across as vulnerable/open, but secure in his openness. I have always respected and liked what I have seen of Brother Boudreaux (I am assuming he is still a member, I know some family members have left the Church, but haven’t heard that of him), this interview raises that opinion higher. He comes across as also exhausted emotionally. I realize that Chad Daybell’s trial is coming, but perhaps he won’t be as affected since he didn’t know Daybell as far as I am aware…though now I think of it, Daybell did help break up his marriage by leading his exwife to crazyville, so maybe that will be as intimate as the others.

I wonder what is going on with his exwife. I hope that question gets asked, but for the sake of his kids, if I were him I probably wouldn’t say anything just to keep that focus off the kids because anything about their mom is about them unfortunately…or I would at least not intend to say anything as knowing me, once I get going it often it just all spills out.

I guess what I really want to know is he has full custody.  Last time I researched it I believe they were sharing, but that was before the trials.  Even if Melanie is not seen as directly involved, she is burdened by and labeled as untrustworthy as a parent imo by her involvement with the crazy. 

Edited June 14, 2025 by Calm