Daybell-Vallow trial

[bluebell]

4 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said:

In summary, in the legal realm, "beyond a reasonable doubt" is considered the highest level of certainty that humans are capable of achieving, so while it might be nice to say that a higher standard should apply, that's not possible.  

I know that's how the law works for beyond a reasonable doubt, but in terms of the death penalty I feel like the bar should be higher than just that alone. I know I'm not explaining myself very well.

Like, no death penalty for someone who was convicted on circumstantial evidence, for example.  Or, no death penalty for someone convicted largely on the testimony of someone else, when that testimony cannot be proved to have been honest, for another example. Etc.

When the evidence presented allows for a lot of room for error in interpretation, then I feel like the death penalty probably shouldn't be on the table.  

[Calm]

1 hour ago, bluebell said:

When the evidence presented allows for a lot of room for error in interpretation, then I feel like the death penalty probably shouldn't be on the table.  

I would feel better if the death penalty was only allowed for those who confessed and never even tried to retract.

[Stargazer]

Just because popular YouTuber, Ray William Johnson (17+ million subs), posted about this topic, here's his video:

 

[Calm]

She will adore that someone made a comic about her, I bet.

Edited August 6, 2024 by Calm

[Calm]

They messed up the marriage timeline as they were married in Hawaii 2 weeks after Tammy died and then came back for to Idaho for another month iirc before the welfare check happened and they took off…the artist also threw in a couple of black characters…, either he didn’t do the research on the ‘side characters’ to get pictures of them or he was avoiding identifying them for some reason, can’t imagine it would be illegal if he did it for LVD and CD.

She’s well painted, imo, Chad Daybell is close, but not that great which surprised me since the artist has done so well for her.  The kids are so so.

Charles Vallow had a beard and was bald, was well built and decent looking, totally wrong for him, imo.

And I was surprised he didn’t mentioned the odd twist of her lookingfor/buying her wedding dress and rings off of Amazon before CD’s wife died.

Edited August 6, 2024 by Calm

[Tacenda]

This is just too insane, this came up on youtube. Colby Ryan has a podcast, haven't listened to the first 2 but this third one blew my mind. Colby hadn't spoken to his mom in 4 years and decided to interview Lori and do it as calmly as possible in order to get the details or her answers without him blowing up on her. She is even worse when you hear what she says on how or why Tylee and JJ were killed. In short, she blames it on Tylee and Jesus. 

 

 

Edited October 7, 2024 by Tacenda

[Calm]

I can’t watch it.  Maybe if there is a transcript.  I hope he doesn’t regret getting involved with her like this.

Edited October 7, 2024 by Calm

[Tacenda]

12 hours ago, Calm said:

I can’t watch it.  Maybe if there is a transcript.  I hope he doesn’t regret getting involved with her like this.

I understand, I'll look for a transcript. ETA: I went to the video on the youtube platform and if you scroll down you'll see the link for the transcript. 

Edited October 7, 2024 by Tacenda

[smac97]

13 hours ago, Calm said:

I can’t watch it.  Maybe if there is a transcript.  I hope he doesn’t regret getting involved with her like this.

Here is YouTube's auto-generated transcript:

0:05 are you still there can you hear me I do the best yeah I do the best with what we have right you try what you 0:11 can yeah are you cutting out yeah can you hear me I'm trying to keep it going yeah know it's you sound good to 0:19 me I don't know if you can hear me very well yeah I can hear you pretty good 0:25 but do um yeah I just you have your all questions but how are you doing are you 0:33 okay um I'm better now if I'm being honest with you 0:38 um it's taking a long process to work through all this stuff it's been 0:45 a lot of years but I've I've definitely found my strength 0:52 so I think that's that's where I'm at right now but well I know you I know you've 0:59 got to be busy with kids and everything so that your life moves fast when you 1:05 have little kids and you're doing your life so you know I didn't want any of 1:10 this for you as you know yeah you asked you told me that Ty had come to you in a 1:16 dream right and you never told me what she said or what she was what her 1:22 message was to you yeah I mean this is what I've always wanted to ask you privately right like me and you like 1:29 what did he say um I don't remember if I'm being honest with you I I don't 1:34 really know if I believe in the visiting of ancestors anymore I don't really like 1:41 people who are in your family I don't think that's something that I've ever seen biblically where like you really 1:48 get visitors from your family on behalf of Christ um I've Dreamed A lot of 1:53 things if that's what you're asking I've Dreamed A lot of things about you and and I've Dreamed A lot of things about 1:59 my but I've never fully dreamed um what I I can't remember exactly what you're 2:05 referring to if that's what you're asking me okay yeah but you called me and so 2:10 you you knew something wasn't right and you were questioning me and you were asking but this is before you knew 2:15 anything and you had had a dream with Ty I'm not saying she actually visited you but you had had some kind of dream that 2:21 had upset you and I wondered because she had passed away if she had actually visited you and told you something 2:28 because she visited and told me plenty of things and the very first thing she told me was I'm sorry Mom for being such 2:35 a brat that's first things that she told me and it was so tily and it was so her 2:42 so I just wondered if she had said something to you that you recall and that was such a long time ago I just 2:47 always have wondered because I never asked you at the time you know what your 2:53 dream was you just had told me that you had a dream and that she had come to you so I wondered 3:00 yeah I don't really remember to be honest with you um okay I just didn't know if that was something 3:07 that and I get I totally appreciate what you believe or don't believe or whatever you know what I believe so it's not a 3:13 big secret um I mean it's what you know from when you knew me not what you know 3:19 from what police have told you or other people have told you but what you actually know from me personally which 3:27 that's the only other thing I wanted to ask you about because do you you remember our drive to Reno just me and 3:33 you right mhm and I remember you telling me 3:39 some really out there stuff just told me that there's multiple 3:44 lives and I told you that's not true and I really don't believe in that at all I don't think you anybody's ever lived 3:49 multiple probations I don't think anybody's ever come back besides Jesus himself I don't think that's that's not 3:56 something that we do that's reincarnation that's not something that that Jesus ever mentioned in the bible 4:02 ever I don't there's nobody who who comes back and lives in flesh and is born again and has a whole another 4:08 different life and experience so I I truly knew when you told me that that that didn't make any sense to me and it 4:14 didn't sit right with my spirit but I trusted you as my mom I tried to give you the room to share with what you 4:21 thought and felt but as years went by I had to do my own research on the things 4:27 and I remember thinking when you did that and said that I remember thinking that's just not right in my spirit and 4:34 everybody's entitled to believe what they want but I'm telling you for me personally that that in in no way shap 4:39 or form do I believe that anybody's ever lived um a different life I think once you once you're gone you go to heaven or 4:46 wherever the Lord puts you and that is my true conviction to myself I I don't 4:52 believe in anything else well I honor and respect that and 4:57 just like you said I honor and respect what every else believes they can believe whatever they want to believe 5:03 right like but don't you think that's don't you think that's dangerous to believe anything and just kind of have 5:09 your own basis of of of belief rather than something that's based in truth and 5:16 what the Bible says okay so I agree with you 100% And 5:21 there's purpose for what the Bible does and there's a purpose for what it says and it says all the right things and 5:27 most people who ever come to this Earth only come one time and that's why the 5:33 Bible is for everyone it's not this is higher knowledge that people who need to 5:39 know it can know it and people that don't need to know it don't need to know it so it's not widespread it comes 5:45 directly from Jesus to me it doesn't come from any other source it comes from Jesus Christ to me and so 5:55 that let's go back to what you said um 6:00 I feel like honestly that there's a lot to talk 6:06 about here um can you go over you said Ty's been 6:13 visiting you so I I wanted there's a lot of things I want to go through but you said Ty visited you and spoke to 6:19 you and JJ I heard this in your statement that you made um I wanted to 6:28 know you know what what you mean by that and you know one of the reasons I wanted 6:34 to talk what mean um I think when we talked about Legion let's go back to what we were 6:40 talking about so in the Bible there's a that moment I think it's in John 5 where Jesus casts out the 6:47 demons and he gets rid of them and then the man is back to normal you said that 6:54 there was a reference to the Chosen and I wanted to hear what you said cuz they cut out so what what do you believe in 6:59 when it comes to the zombie idea because that's where you were at that's what you were telling me that's 7:07 that's yes I would love to address this because I have never said the word my 7:14 personal this has gone out of control India whoever made up this whole Zombie 7:19 Thing and escalated what my basic belief was okay I Lori have gone through my 7:28 whole entire Discovery and there's not one thing do you know if you if you do a search and you find you do the word 7:36 zombie in a search for in my Discovery do you know the only thing that comes up 7:42 is when JJ was ordering those little zombie babies from Minecraft that's the 7:48 only thing that comes up in all of my 19 years of my eyecloud I was not saying 7:55 that that is not something I said that is not something that so so yes can evil 8:01 spirits possit humans like it did in John 5 yes I believe that do I believe I 8:07 have the power from to cast him out yeah I do the same way he cast him out in 8:14 episode five of season two of The Chosen okay so yes those are my 8:25 B you there sorry the Wi-Fi ha is so terrible 8:31 it just keeps cutting out it's all right um yeah we can just go through it so you 8:36 were saying that you never said the word zombie that was never used by you ever 8:42 okay M so I mean I have a lot to ask you 8:49 honestly but I wanted to give you the floor to really say your piece and since 8:54 we're cutting out so much maybe it's just a good time um you told me one day You' want want to say it in our last 9:00 phone call you said that you wanted to tell me what has happened so I'm going 9:05 to just give you the floor real quick if you want to stay your peace and maybe I'll just have follow-up questions after that but I want to go ahead and I think 9:12 you know what I'm referring to is what really happened then with my brother and 9:17 my sister and this whole thing and I know that we could talk about my dad but 9:23 I'm assuming that that's because of your case is a little not for right now we can always follow up on that at some 9:29 point cuz I do have a lot of questions about it all but I'm going to try to just keep it strictly strictly to my 9:35 brother and my sister so I just want to give you the floor right real quick and I think we'll just kind of go from 9:43 there well it's obviously different than what everyone else thinks and I don't 9:48 know that if you knew the truth of what really actually happened if you would 9:53 want it to be in a public forum I mean talk you personally I know 10:01 that you are the only person on this planet to me who love Kylie and JJ as 10:10 much as I do the only person so in all of my four 10:16 years or five years of going through this because you know it's been five years now yeah I have asked every one of 10:22 my attorneys how can you help me to talk to 10:27 kobby in a way that I can let him know the truth of what happened because he's 10:33 the only person on this planet not my mom not my sister not anybody else Colby 10:40 is the only person on this planet Who Loved JJ and tyly like I did he was the 10:46 only person that truly cared and in my opinion he is the only person who 10:53 deserves to know what really happened so can you help me find a way where I can 10:58 talk Kobe privately and tell him because this is a horrible situation and I want 11:05 to be able to talk to you but I don't want to I don't know that after you know 11:11 what actually happened if you would want that to be public okay well basically 11:18 you said no one was murdered that was your biggest statement you said not one single person was murdered that 11:24 everybody you said there was suicides and deaths accidental deaths and you 11:30 said that there was um drug overdoses that no one was 11:36 murdered so that's what I'm going to ask you then if if you were willing to say 11:41 it in your statement then I'm asking you to say it to me if you don't want to go into detail that's your decision but I 11:48 that's what I'm asking you today well what I tell I can tell you is 11:55 that I wrote out what happened 12:00 with those 38 pages and that's what I was telling my attorneys I need this to get to Colby I don't care who else it 12:08 has to go through but I don't think it's fair to Colby to not have this 12:14 information since he is the only person I feel 12:19 like was as close to that cared about JJ and Ty like I did now you are the only 12:26 person kobby in the entire world that I like I said I want to talk to Kobe and 12:33 tell him because he deserves to know I don't care that anybody else knows and I frankly don't care what anybody else 12:39 thinks it's not their children they're my children and they're your brother and sister and we were the family and we 12:44 were the ones doing everything for them and when you took care of JJ with Ty was in the hospital that time before we had 12:51 to move to Hawaii and you sat there with him as a two-year-old but before medication before we knew he had autism 12:57 and he would just run like 100 miles an hour and I remember because when I 13:03 picked when you picked us up at the airport picked us up and you were so mad at me when you picked me up with JJ and 13:09 you're like what are you doing and you're too old to be you're a grandma age and you're too old to have this baby 13:15 and what are you doing and he's going to have so many problems and you were really mad and JJ came with his own love 13:23 and you fell in love with JJ you Colby did and when you had to take care of him 13:28 during that time I think that bonded you the most to him when you took care of him and Ty and I were in the hospital 13:35 and Charles was in Hawaii trying to set up the house and we were trying to move out of that huge 5,000 foot house and we 13:41 were just throwing everything in the dumpster because we couldn't move it we didn't have time because we didn't 13:47 expect Ty to be with angri titis in the hospital and I was in there with her screaming 13:52 and oh and so you are the only person that deserves to know the truth 13:59 also I can't tell the story of what happened to Ty and JJ without telling 14:06 Ty's life and I don't necessarily want to tell that to the public but you know 14:11 it you are the only person who lived it with me and her you lived it with me you 14:17 went with me and her to therapy every week you were the ones there was she was crying and screaming and throwing things 14:23 in walls because they were forcing her to go to Joe you saw all of her moods you knew how she was had depression and 14:30 anxiety and anxiety attacks and you and Kelsey were even coming over to Mentor her during that time you know because 14:38 you were there and you were there with JJ you were there with Ty and you know 14:44 and I didn't want to write it out like that I didn't want to just say oh this is what happened I wanted to talk to you 14:50 and answer your question so I could tell you everything that actually happened and if you have a question of something 14:56 well the police said this then I have an answer for for that that's not what they weren't there and they don't know so I 15:02 wanted to talk to you so I could hear your questions and answer your questions because you are the only person besides 15:10 me on this whole earth who really Lov both of them the way that I did and so 15:19 you heard what happened if you heard that what I wrote they wouldn't give me the detail really so I that's why I'm 15:27 asking cuz I I that's what that's I'm happy I would be happy to tell you personally and privately because I don't 15:34 know if you want those details out in the public well you pretty much said it in the 15:41 trial so I guess I'm wondering why you said those things if you weren't willing to just 15:46 share if that's the truth if that's the truth that you say it 15:52 is well it is the truth and it's exactly what happened but do you want me to say 15:58 what I what I've seen personally sure 16:04 so it's going to be heavy so I hope you're ready for this um they found my little 16:11 brother in a bag tied 16:17 up buried and then they found 16:23 remnants of my sister remants not even a person 16:30 anymore remnants of her can you imagine why that is do you 16:37 have any any room to think that that would happen 16:44 no no so did you know Ty's desire of wanting to be 16:51 cremated that was your version of cremating her wasn't 16:57 mine cuz that doesn't it wasn't mine but did you know that she had that 17:04 desire no well so you don't know because you 17:10 weren't there but when after Charles passed away and Alex and I and Ty were 17:16 at our table in there at the house in Chandler and we were going over Charles wishes and Charles had put all his stuff 17:22 down saying he wanted to be cremated and don't ever put me in a box or I'll come back and haunt you cuz he was 17:29 claustrophobic he didn't like the idea of being in a box and he had said all these funny things on his letter to me 17:36 and I said to me and Alex at the time she said don't you put me in a box 17:42 either she's like whenever I'm out of here I want to be cremated that was her big thing so why wasn't put into why 17:50 didn't you cremate her if if she wasn't murdered why was 17:56 she she wasn't okay according to what you say and you 18:02 say you were there I'm trying to give you the space without telling you what I think and feel I'm trying to ask you the 18:09 question because that's not cremation I have my brother and 18:14 sisters's Ashes that's cremation I have can you imagine can you 18:22 imagine coming in on that [Music] scene can you imagine as a mother your 18:29 father now so imagine you come in and find two of your children deceased so 18:37 they just died out of nowhere I didn't say that you come home 18:43 or whatever and both your kids are dead and then and then what you just never 18:49 tell me what happened or you never tell anybody 18:55 anything I'm trying to understand you you can't because you can't imagine what that is like you can't even imagine you 19:03 know how much I love those kids you know how much I've put into them you know how much I've done everything to protect 19:09 them you know how much I've done everything to get tily every kind of help fought and every kind of court to 19:15 keep her safe fought in every kind of hospital so they wouldn't do a whole bunch of horrible stuff to her when she 19:20 was sick all the time you know what I did for them I know so you imagine 19:26 walking in find find in them and they had been gone for hours 19:33 there was nothing I can do even though you can't you just can't imagine 19:41 you can't imagine that scenario because until you live it you can't imagine that scenario and when I came 19:49 in and I knew I knew Ty had been upset and I knew 19:57 that she was upset with me that weekend because she wouldn't stay at the house 20:02 because I would Melanie Gibb stay there and she hats Melanie Gibb as you know everyone knows this chav at her and she 20:09 couldn't stand her smell because she had the essential oils and tyly got sick off the essential oils and sixth grade 20:14 because her teacher made her drink the essential oils in sixth grade to Hope with anry Titus if you remember all 20:20 that so she didn't want to stay there so I 20:26 asked her to babysit JJ put him to bed that night which is what she always has done right she was going 20:34 to bed I was going to do my podcast to a stupid Melanie and Dave right so JJ 20:40 wouldn't interrupt it and then I was picking him up in the morning to get him ready and take him to 20:47 school and when I came in on that scene and they were 20:55 gone I thought tyly did it to get back at me I thought 21:04 it was all my fault I thought she was mad at 21:09 me and that's what had happened and the 21:16 reason why she visited me and why JJ visited me and came to 21:22 me right after that is because to tell me that it wasn't my fault H because I 21:29 was blaming myself 100% 100% why didn't I get tyly more help why 21:37 didn't I why did I let her get off of her meds why did I not do something different why did I let Melanie Gibs 21:43 stay here why did I do any of these things that would lead to this how could 21:49 it possibly have happened why why and how why and how I mean you can't even 21:56 imagine what that is like no one Earth can imagine what that's like you're telling me that Tye took JJ's 22:04 life and then took her own life on accident and took her own life then 22:12 after so who chopped in burnford and who duct tap JJ and put him in the 22:21 ground I'm asking you I 22:29 you were saying what so you told me sorry you're just cutting out I can't 22:36 hear what your question is so you're telling me Tyle took JJ's life 22:42 then took her own life and then someone cremated 22:47 her by dismembering her and burning her and throwing her in a pet cemetery and 22:53 then somebody bound JJ put him in a trash bag and threw him in the backyard no but that was 23:00 it that was the end of it what I'm saying is is I wasn't aware 23:08 what happened to them after I left that scene okay so you gave it to someone else you gave the responsibility to 23:15 someone else is what you're saying correct 23:21 okay and then I didn't I just ran out I just so some you're saying someone else 23:28 took care of the situation 23:33 okay I'm sorry I didn't hear that it's breaking up um I'm saying that you you're saying to me that someone else 23:40 took care of it that's it I don't have to go into more detail there somebody else took care of these 23:47 things so um so you you correct 23:52 okay okay um I'm telling you that their Spirits 23:58 were gone from their bodies at that time they were gone they were already in heaven they were already 24:05 gone okay correct okay so you're saying that they 24:11 were gone and why if that's the case then why 24:17 wouldn't you just tell us what was the secrecy 24:23 for why didn't anybody know there's a lot of reasons Kobe and I I've gone over 24:29 that a million times and I can tell you from the beginning my thoughts then and 24:34 my thoughts now obviously are different I've there would be about it you know to kind of work through it myself but at 24:42 the time I didn't want anyone to 24:48 know what Ty had done to JJ and I wanted to continue to protect 24:56 Ty as her mother who has been trying to protect her her whole life like this is 25:04 my scenario kby what if what if tyly holding JJ down for too long trying to 25:10 get him to not scream and be loud in the apartment which she was always upset about we weren't in a big house anymore 25:15 we were in these tiny little apartments and they were he was loud and what if she held him down too long and realized 25:23 afterwards what she had done what if she had come running to me and told me what 25:28 what she had done right that it was an accident do you not think that I would 25:34 have told police that I did it to save Ty because you know that I would 25:40 [Music] have I would have done anything to protect Ty and in my mind at that time 25:48 and some people might think it's not rational but I not wasn't rational at that time because you can't imagine what 25:53 it's like to find your children in that way you can't imagine so no I was not 25:59 being rational however I was still protecting Ty in my 26:06 mind and I still am this is why I only wanted to tell you privately I didn't 26:11 want to tell the world what went on I don't want to tell the world that Tyler sto taking her medication two weeks 26:18 before that she was on anti-anxiety medication anti-depression medication she was on a medication for um panic 26:25 attacks and she was on birth control so her SI ovarian sis wouldn't be bad she 26:31 was on all that stuff and when we moved up to Idaho two weeks before two weeks 26:37 before a week after we got there she said she didn't want to take her meds 26:42 anymore and I said honey you can't go off Med's cold turkey you can't just like you have to wean off of them and 26:49 you know how she was and you know how stubborn she was and you know how she would did anything that I told her to do 26:55 and she would do the opposite so no I haven't wanted to tell everybody and nobody could even understand how it 27:02 could get to this point unless they understood what had happened to Ty since she was 3 years old so yes I have been 27:11 protecting Tye I will continue to protect tyly I didn't want this to be made public I didn't testify in court 27:18 for that purpose to prot put me in here for five lifetimes they could put me in 27:23 here for a million lifetimes doesn't matter to me so you I'm I just want to 27:28 understand cuz this is what I asked you before you're telling me that all of this is to protect my sister's name 27:36 because of what she did is that in my mind 27:41 yes [Applause] okay I think it's hard because I've come 27:48 to know the prosecutors myself um I've 27:54 looked at a lot of the evidence there was nothing left of my sister to even L 28:00 look at because somebody was so brutal with her somebody was so 28:07 sick with her after she was 28:12 taken um I can't hear you Kobe it's cutting out I said that I can't really 28:18 hear anything you're saying I said that it was I've talked to the prosecutors i' 28:24 I've looked at a lot of what they've shown me and Kylie was so brutally mistreated after 28:31 her death that ites wasn't even human it wasn't even 28:39 humans I'll tell you something about what I know about the minute and because of my own experience of being outside of 28:47 my body right you could care less what happens 28:52 to your body after you die you could care less and I know people on Earth are really worried about it 28:59 I I did not intend for that to be done it's the most brutal thing I've ever heard in my life it's the most brutal 29:05 thing I've ever heard in my life so I don't want to go over that really um me either JJ I want to think 29:13 about that JJ was found they were not in there Kobe they were not in there is what I'm telling you but I'm telling you 29:19 no matter what happens to you when you're at a Corner's office and they cut you open and do an autopsy yeah that's 29:26 really gross it's really gross do anybody that's not what I'm talking 29:31 about but with JJ you're not in there JJ was found fighting his bag that he was 29:38 put in so did Ty tell mean Ty held him down too long or put a bag over his head 29:43 cuz that was the evidence that JJ was being suffocated by 29:48 somebody that was the okay so that is not that is not the case so when I found 29:54 those my little precious babies there was no bag there was no tape 30:02 there's nothing of that they were just [Applause] 30:10 gone anything that was done was after the fact long after the 30:18 fact they were not in there 30:23 okay and that brings me to a question here 30:29 with all of this being said what has it been like for you sorry 30:35 you're cutting out I didn't hear you cuz I cut out what has it been like for you 30:40 then since 2020 how have you been affected by all 30:48 this can you hear me I'm sorry I didn't hear that I said no I didn't hear that only part of it since that's what you're 30:55 going to say how have you been affected since 2020 how's this affected 31:03 you how have I not been affected it's my whole life 31:10 like I was never going to tell anybody anything about anything ever okay so you 31:16 would have never told me you would have never told me when I was at you would have never told you the only person I 31:23 wanted to tell you and you're the only person I wanted to tell and I wanted that to to be private like well the only 31:30 person I I deserve to know that can't just be something 31:35 private Mom that's not something you can just tell me that I would just be 31:41 accepting and understanding of you have to understand that I would never agree 31:47 with you I would never bury my siblings in some random dude's backyard and act 31:53 like it never happened I I would never let that happen I would have even if that's what happened which I'm 32:00 going to be honest with you I hope you can understand cuz you I wanted to be respectful enough to listen to what you 32:05 said um I've really tried to listen and study what You' said and um based off of 32:12 everything that I've been shown that they were both murdered and that and 32:17 that's what you said didn't happen so I think that we're not going to get anywhere there I think that's just I 32:23 wanted to hear what you had to say because you said you were there and you said that those are your children those 32:29 were my siblings but I can't I can't sit here and say that I agree with you at 32:34 all I don't I don't think that's what happened you know you know it's just it's just not what I think happened 32:40 based off when we all get to heaven when we all get to heaven you'll know okay that's all I can tell you I can't tell 32:45 you anything different you know and I can't tell anybody different and I don't care what anybody thinks really like 32:51 they weren't there they don't know so okay well that's what you meant then on that phone call it is what it is it is 32:57 what it is told me on that phone call that I would know and you said I don't know and I I definitely listen to that 33:03 phone call again because I was so hurt because it sounded like you were just giving me a middle finger and you said f 33:09 you I wasn't honey I wanted to tell you the the attorneys told me don't say 33:14 anything on a jail call nothing don't ever say anything they had they Pound That Into You you know from day one like 33:22 so you're asking me and I'm like I can't tell you on this phone call but I want to tell you you the only person I wanted 33:29 to tell because I wanted you to be able to grieve and I wanted you to be able to mourn and I wanted you to be able to 33:35 tell the difference between what they're seeing actually happened and that you would know privately what really 33:40 happened let them say whatever they want who cares it's gone way out of proportion but I wanted you to have that 33:46 for your own peace that's it for your own peace of mind you know TI better than anybody on earth except for me you 33:53 did you lived it with me so can I ask you another question then 33:59 obviously I have a million um trying to keep this very really to the point of the things 34:07 um I think that I've noticed you say you have a lot of these enemies and that you have believed to be 34:17 a very big Usher into the second coming and Jesus and all these things so I'm 34:24 wondering do you feel that you are 34:29 this person who's lived multiple lives and is here to do this thing to usher in 34:36 Jesus is coming is that what all of this hardship on your part is is that why you think you're going through so much 34:42 hardship is that you are that 34:47 [Applause] person well what do you remember me telling you 34:54 about my experiences in the temple I told you personally I only told a few 34:59 people personally and they've gone run wild with these stories so I'm asking you what you remember what I told you 35:06 personally all I remember is your biggest claim is that you had seen Jesus personally and that he had talked to you 35:13 and that he was on your side that was it that's what I really remember I mean you did tell me about um the whole multiple 35:21 lives thing but that's about the basis of what I remember you telling me right and where did I did I tell you 35:29 where that experience happened yeah you said you're in the temple that's what okay 35:39 so so I learned all these things that I 35:46 know from Jesus personally so when he came to me in the 35:53 temple and he put his hands on my head and ordained me need to do something for 35:58 him like a job right and he said will you do this job if you lose 36:07 everything this was in this was in 2017 and then he 36:14 said will you do this job if you become like 36:20 job that's what he asked me and at the time when he was right there with me and 36:26 you have those wonderful Heavenly peaceful feelings I thought sure I'll do 36:33 anything you want me I'll do go to the ends of the Earth I'll follow you to the ends of the Earth like Peter and then 36:40 you walk into that scene and you're on the ground like Peter like what is this 36:45 about what do you mean l everything I lost everyone and including you which 36:52 was really the hardest loss of all to me 36:57 you were my best friend for 24 years and losing you over the past four years was 37:03 harder on me than even losing the kids 37:12 but he asked me to do a job for him and I said that I could and he said it was 37:18 going to be terrible now I'll tell you this okay when you have a visit from 37:25 Jesus a personal visit right then because because there is opposition in 37:30 all things you will have a personal visit from Lucifer okay so weeks after I 37:39 had this visit with Jesus in the temple I was in JJ's room at the big house 37:44 where you got married okay and Lucifer was right in standing right in front of 37:51 me and he said to me I Know Who You Are I know exactly who 37:59 you are and I will stop you okay 38:05 so Jesus gave me a job okay Lucifer has done every single thing to get 38:13 me to take my own life because that is his goal if I leave here I cannot do my 38:21 job for Jesus right the only thing I have to do for Jesus is stay here 38:28 right he needs be here help people now there's eight women there's eight women 38:33 in my pod right now facing the death penalty okay eight women in this little 38:39 jail I help them every day okay I help them doing their workouts I help them 38:45 doing all these things I help them with their cases whether Jesus needs 38:53 me to help him and serve him in primary or in prison he asked me to do this for 39:00 him now the media flood that has come against me right the media flood that 39:09 has come against Me is from Lucifer right he does not want this job done he 39:15 does not want me to help these women he does not want me to uplift them and strengthen them and help them hold on 39:21 until he comes again to rescue us all right he doesn't want that okay so he me 39:27 here okay and he's taken everything away from me like he took away from job the 39:33 only thing he's not wasn't allowed to do to job is what K he wasn't allowed to kill job 39:41 himself right but he was allowed to do everything to make job want to kill himself right everything right so it is 39:51 a personal attack on my family because Jesus asked me to do a job for 40:00 him so that is my belief that 40:07 he has taken every single thing I've ever said and twisted it he has taken 40:13 every truth and turned it into a lie taken every lie and turned it into a truth so yes that is what I feel like 40:20 okay is happening okay I will continue to do my job whether 40:28 I have your support or not although I would love that and one day 40:34 everyone will know that that is true and that that's what happened okay um I hope 40:44 you can listen to what I have to say as well um is sure yeah I I'll be honest 40:52 with you I've done a lot of praying um I've dreamed dreams of me delivering ing 40:57 you from demons um I've in those dreams every time I yelled at you and and we screamed 41:04 and then I would perform a Deliverance on you and I would call things out of you um I do not share your 41:13 beliefs and this is after a lot of pondering and praying on my own um after 41:19 everything happened I started to read the New Testament and I uh I wanted to 41:25 trust you before I found out I wanted to believe that Kylie and JJ would we're 41:31 walking around somewhere maybe in a barn I don't know I just I couldn't understand what you were doing and I 41:37 tried to just keep saying you know what I'm going to trust my mom I'm going to trust my mom I'm going to trust my mom 41:43 um when I found out what happened and I started to see everything I gave you a call and in that call it was very 41:51 confrontational but I felt like I wasn't judging you and a lot of times you said I was judging you and you think that I was with everybody else else and I'm 41:57 like the media and I'm glad that I called you now because I have my head on straight and I can tell you um that 42:04 after a very long time of listening to what um has been in the documents these are the things they recovered from you 42:11 and from Chad and these things it doesn't make sense to me and none of it is biblically based and I know you have 42:17 a different viewpoint but you and I are on completely two different I mean it's 42:23 black and white it's that different and a part of me struggled for a very long 42:29 time to try to remember the person you were before all this and try to remember 42:35 that you did care so much and it felt like you loved us and you tried to protect us and you were just a different 42:42 person and I understand that you believe that these are the things and you know 42:47 what we're not even going to have an argument about that because there's no point there's no there's not going to be 42:52 me sitting here telling you this is and this but I will tell you fundamentally and 42:58 100% um after praying a lot about it and everything over the last few years I do not um agree with what you believe and I 43:06 don't think that yeah but you don't even know exactly what I do believe honey like you're saying that because you're 43:12 going with what everybody else has said I believe but not my actual beliefs 43:17 right but believing that someone is a zombie or a I know you said you didn't say that that is not my belief but 43:24 believing that that is not my belief believing that that I mean even with 43:30 what happened with Chad you know I thought that all these things were happening and all this all this time you 43:36 were talking to him and then you know I was mad at my dad and I stopped talking to him cuz I was mad cuz I thought he 43:43 hurt you but you were talking to Chad too that's not right and those things aren't right and I don't I don't know 43:50 everything like I told you I'm not arrogant to sit here and say I know everything and I wanted to give you the platform to say your peace but my piece 43:57 is this as well I do know you and none of this is congruent to the person that raised me none of it nothing when did I 44:05 Chang I would like to know when you think that this miraculous after years of being a wonderful mother that I 44:11 turned into this horrible person like what no I think when do you think that happened can I be honest with you I 44:18 think you were I think you were Beyond deceived I think spiritually you were 44:24 horribly deceived by a man who standing same room with Jesus Christ 44:30 that he deceived me that I could be deceived after being in the room with Jesus do you think that I could personally be deceived I don't I don't 44:38 think that this is a commission of Christ and I'm sorry to tell you that but I want you to know that because I 44:43 want this to it's a commission of Lucifer trying to make my life miserable that's what it is okay it's not from 44:50 Christ Christ lets things happen and strengthens you through it when he 44:56 attacks you this is not done from Jesus this is Lucifer attacking Our Lives my 45:04 life and including your life because you are my child so you have also been 45:09 attacked and I am very sorry for that there's nothing I can do I leave it in Jesus's hands to handle it because he is 45:17 strengthening us through this attack it's just like he let it all happen to job why did he let job get to that point 45:23 and suffer so much why do you have every single thing taken away from him why why 45:29 did he let all those things happen he has a purpose and he told me this is 45:34 what Jesus told me 20 days before I was arrested in Hawaii Jesus came to me and 45:41 he has several times since I've been in jail but he came to me 20 days before I was arrested and he said this Lori there 45:49 is a purpose for your whole life it is my purpose so trust it 45:57 what do you think I thought at that time they were talking about arresting me and I knew I hadn't hurt anybody I knew I 46:03 never would hurt anybody but so I didn't think I was going to get this and he's going to make it known to the world what 46:10 his purpose is at his in his due time whenever he feels like doing that you will know and I want you to know right 46:16 now that nothing is more important to me than you I love you I've always loved 46:23 you and cherish our relationship as Eternal I understand you being upset with me I get it 100% I don't blame you 46:31 but I want you to know that no matter what you've ever said about me or done or said on the media or anything 46:37 negative I forgive you I don't hold it against you I love you I understand 46:42 completely and you will know one day Kobe and you know and that's all I can 46:49 tell you I love you more than anything I miss being a part of your life and my grandchildren's life I know why you're 46:56 probably doing that but we have an eternal relationship you know Ava came to me the night before she 47:03 was born I didn't even know that Kelsea was due with the baby and she came to me the night before she was born and I held 47:10 her as a baby in the spirit world and she told me that we had loved each other for eons of time and that she loved me 47:18 so much and the joy that filled me when I H that little 47:23 baby filled me kby she came to me because she knew that you wouldn't let 47:29 me see her and you wouldn't let me talk to her but she said our relationship is eternal and she loved me and I'm her 47:35 grandma whether you like it or not she said I'm your grandma whether my parents like it or not and so there is a purpose 47:44 in all this and I'm sorry it's been hard on you honey I love you so much and I'm sorry this has been awful I pray for you 47:50 every minute I was crying in church one day and I was sitting there crying about 47:56 you and I was worried about you and Jesus came next to me and he said why weepest thou and I said you know why I'm 48:04 worried about Kobe I love Kobe so much and he said you love him let me lead him 48:11 I've got this I've got him I know him like I know you so I have left you in his capable 48:19 hands and I know he has taught you and I'm sorry if he hasn't given you comfort where I am concerned and maybe it's not 48:25 time yet but he will will I promise you he will and you all see and everyone 48:31 will know but I want you to know how much I love you I've always loved you 48:36 and I love those babies all of them and I'm sorry that you feel like you have to 48:42 keep them from me I would love to have a relationship with you and with them but you would have to do what you have to do 48:48 but I promise you you will know that all of this is his purpose okay um I'd like 48:55 to give you my piece as well cuz I don't how much longer this is going to go um can you hear 49:01 me yeah now I can okay it was cutting out um I wish more than anything that I 49:07 had my family I prayed and was so grateful when my daughter was being born Ry that she was going to have a family 49:14 and aunts and uncles and grandparents on both sides and people to love and support her and then one day everybody 49:21 was gone and everything was gone I also turned to Christ but I believe believe 49:27 that Christ Was preparing me for what was going to happen and you and I do not 49:32 see eye to eye at all when it comes to belief in Jesus we don't I don't believe 49:38 and I've really searched I didn't just make a conclusion I'm not someone that does that I really take my time and I 49:44 took my time and I read the New Testament and I read Revelations and nothing that I've seen is Godly or 49:52 connected to God and people can say what they want to say I always dig deeper I 49:57 know I'm not going to take someone's word for something I'm going to go try to dig deeper and find things out I based it off of what I knew about you 50:04 and none of it ever added up and he used to ask me on the phone if I would had 50:09 received information or clarification or something of that nature and I never did and then all my dreams following that 50:15 were dreams of me either delivering you from demons or me yelling at you at the 50:21 top of my lungs and you were not the same in my dreams and you were not the same person and I had to accept the fact 50:26 that lost my mom too I had to accept that but with that being said with you 50:31 being there I need to tell you this you did raise me you took care of me took care of my 50:37 needs you tried to protect me the best you could and I'm I'm grateful for what 50:42 you did for me when I was a child but I will tell you this this situation does 50:48 put us at odds and I can't sit here and say that I agree with you I don't I 50:55 can't even really understand where this side's coming from I don't wish pain or anything on 51:03 you I have no malice towards you zero but I do want you 51:11 to anyone no and I won't then I do 100% 51:17 forgive you I forgive you and I'm not going to hold you in a 51:23 jail cell of my heart but you cannot be a part of my children's lives and I 51:28 think you need to understand why because you and I can't even be a part of each other's lives because I 51:34 don't feel like I know you anymore and I don't want to hurt you by telling me that but I don't want to lead you 51:40 [Applause] on how is that forgiveness how is that for forgiveness is a choice of forgiving 51:46 it doesn't mean you keep going it doesn't mean that and if you and I are this different on our beliefs 51:52 of what happened to my family then how could we ever even com I can't sit here 51:57 and pretend like this isn't what it is and I hate all of it and I hate that you 52:06 are still suffering in some way but at the same time I understand it you and I do not agree and I can't 52:14 say even listening to you I don't feel that conviction in my heart that that's what happened but that's what you think 52:19 happens that's what you say happens and you know what I wasn't there but I know 52:25 what I feel and I I have my own spiritual intelligence and I have my own ability to search and Ponder and I guess 52:32 this leaves us to a place where I all I can ever know is that I will find out one day in heaven and that's all I could 52:39 ever say about it because you and I cannot agree on these things I do not wish harm on you I saw you in that 52:45 courtroom and I wish I could have talked to my mom I I wish I had my mom there I 52:52 wish I had my brother and my sister to look at all my kids I wish my dad was here and being a part 52:59 of it I wish my family was here and they're not and you're gone 53:06 too and that hurts it hurts but I want you to know I don't 53:13 have a harmful bone of my body towards you I am mad and I'm 53:19 upset but this is something you and I cannot agree on and I need to set that base now we do not agree on that 53:28 I want to make sure that somehow someway you're not stuck in this place 53:34 forever because I don't know what you think people have said that you have a delusional disorder of hyper 53:41 religiosity and you know what because if you tell anybody you've had a visit from Jesus that's what they say that's what 53:48 psychological world says but I am not crazy I never was when I was at the hospital I met lots of people who were 53:55 and I wouldn't call them crazy but that have mental disorders and I do not okay 54:00 same thing about all the prophets who who said they saw Jesus they said well 54:07 and they're mad like well came to you why doesn't he come to me why doesn't he come and tell me this stuff right it's 54:12 the Sadducees and the Pharisees it's all of that so okay what I'm upset about 54:18 hearing your statement is that it's the first time I realized and I'm sorry for 54:24 you honey cuz I love you so so much but it's the first time I realized that when 54:30 Jesus asked me to be like job that you're also having to be like him 54:37 because I know you lost everything and all at once but you have your wife you 54:43 have your beautiful children you have your life still and I'm grateful for that I'm 54:50 grateful that you have a support system with Kelsey and her family I'm grateful that you have that I'm grateful that the 54:55 kids have that and this is my mission and my mission will be revealed to 55:02 everybody at some point and including you and at that time I just want you to know I'm not gonna say I told you so I'm 55:09 just gonna say I love you I want you to know that I did 55:14 conduct this obviously like an interview and I want you to know that I don't know exactly what I'm going to do with this 55:21 but um I'm just I want you to know that I my plan was us to have this 55:27 conversation and give you this piece for the public at some point and that's what I want you to know but that is the plan 55:35 for you to have said what You' never got to say 55:40 publicly I wanted you to know how much I love you and whether you reciprocate that or not I mean I know you love me 55:48 but whether you want to have a relationship with me or not you know 55:53 that's up to you that's 100% so I respect all of your wishes I know 55:59 you're a grown man now and you can make your own decisions but I would ask you to pray about I would ask you to help 56:06 Jesus tell you the suffering that has been for me in the past five years so that you'll know that there's nothing 56:13 that I could have done different that would have had a different result for you to lose everyone there's nothing I 56:19 could have done to complete my mission and there's a totally different attitude 56:24 in heaven than there is here because they realize this is just a short time and it's temporary the things that we do 56:31 there are Eternal and have eternal importance but your relationship with me 56:37 is eternal so that's the only reason I would ask you to even pray about that Kobe All I Ever 56:43 Wanted for you was to have peace about it I know you lost everybody I'm sorry that you did it was not my choice and it 56:50 was not what I wanted for you at all I wanted the same thing for the kids I wants everybody to be happy but 56:58 that's not what this life is about apparently it's certainly not what job's life was about but in the 57:07 end what do they give job they give him everything back and more so we'll see 57:13 how Jesus wants to handle that you told me when that is going to be but he did come to me on February 2nd in this jail 57:20 this year and he said many things to me and he told me to write them down and when I wrote them down said one of the 57:27 things he told me I think the phone calls were spotty 57:33 phone calls are really spotty she uh was trying to see if she was going to call back I feel like we 57:40 didn't really end it um my raw reaction right 57:46 now is I just spoke to my mother for the first time in 4 57:54 years and I feel like 57:59 like that was the hardest that was the hardest I've ever fought to not respond 58:07 I made a decision in the beginning before I interviewed her that I would not try to 58:13 rebuttal her and the reason being because there's no 58:18 point it would have been just a defense mechanism thrown up there would have been no conversation it would have 58:24 been um it would have been chaos and it wouldn't have been a 58:32 conversation I can't tell you how shocking that 58:38 is I don't think I'll ever have an interview with someone that was harder than that tell you that right 58:45 now um I would have rebutted everything that she said I'm still shaky and emotional 58:55 um I'm just going to give this to you guys really raw because this is what we 59:00 need in life is more of real stuff not just edited and 59:06 cut that was the a really hard conversation 59:17 um She's So convicted of her her truth and her reality 59:28 she truly believes what she 59:34 says she begged to be in my life 59:43 oh it's so hard bro because she's you know that's your mom you just want to trust someone you 59:49 want to love him can't do it um I can't explain it to her the way I wish I could 1:00:01 of course I want my mom to be a part of my life of course I miss my 1:00:06 family but uh you know that can't 1:00:12 happen that can't happen 1:00:18 man her belief is so far off I didn't even get to really ask the 1:00:24 questions I had for just turned into a conversation I hope I was very organized 1:00:30 before tried to keep it very clear and it just didn't work out that 1:00:37 way this is the one of the hardest things I've had to do is have that 1:00:45 conversation um my sister did not kill my 1:00:53 brother she didn't 1:01:00 put it on her so 1:01:09 unfair it's so unfair to Ty she would never do 1:01:17 that I don't care how mad she was how upset she was how hurt she was and she was putting put through hell being moved 1:01:25 around and after everything that happened to my dad she didn't even have a chance to 1:01:33 breathe and to blame her the 1:01:41 world this is a D's fault Dam all right let me pull myself 1:01:48 together here this isn't Ty's fault um she didn't 1:01:53 do that 1:02:07 JJ she didn't do that so that's not the truth that's not the 1:02:13 truth and uh I guess I have to accept how 1:02:18 delusional my mom is 1:02:25 this is not real there's no even slight evidence that Ty did 1:02:34 that and it uh it just hurts to blame her after uh she was brutally taken who 1:02:42 knows exactly how JJ was taken Tammy was taken Charles was taken they were taken 1:02:48 it wasn't an accident um I'm going to have to process this obviously 1:02:57 um yeah I didn't get to say goodbye to her I feel like I said my piece you heard what she had to say so 1:03:05 it's about it um I'm a mess right now but uh I'm not going to let that be 1:03:12 the narrative Tye didn't do that but I didn't rebuttal her cuz I 1:03:18 knew it wouldn't go anywhere I tried that I was very confrontational with her and I just got doors in my face I knew I 1:03:23 had to come in and be just ask questions not come in with an angle not 1:03:31 to say my pie to set my pce to the end I feel like she heard what I had to say so this was uh the heaviest thing I've 1:03:39 ever done thank you guys for watching this this is not easy to share but I say 1:03:44 that right now because I'm feeling the gravity of this 1:03:58 I'm feeling the gravity of this fully so just want to say thank you 1:04:03 guys for supporting supporting me my 1:04:09 family and uh I did my 1:04:15 best I did my best to talk to her anyway thank you guys I love 1:04:24 you I love you

Thanks,

-Smac

[Calm]

So she blames Tylee for killing JJ because she was on medication that made her depressed or went off of it cold and then who knows what happened except someone cremated Tylee according to her own wishes?  And the kids’ bodies were hidden so no one would know what Tylee had done?

I wonder how long it took her to come up with that.  I am surprised she didn’t have her lawyers try that at the trial, but maybe they refused because it was obviously a lie in their view and would anger the jurors….or maybe she hadn’t thought of it yet.

Edited October 7, 2024 by Calm

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, smac97 said:

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0:05 are you still there can you hear me I do the best yeah I do the best with what we have right you try what you 0:11 can yeah are you cutting out yeah can you hear me I'm trying to keep it going yeah know it's you sound good to 0:19 me I don't know if you can hear me very well yeah I can hear you pretty good 0:25 but do um yeah I just you have your all questions but how are you doing are you 0:33 okay um I'm better now if I'm being honest with you 0:38 um it's taking a long process to work through all this stuff it's been 0:45 a lot of years but I've I've definitely found my strength 0:52 so I think that's that's where I'm at right now but well I know you I know you've 0:59 got to be busy with kids and everything so that your life moves fast when you 1:05 have little kids and you're doing your life so you know I didn't want any of 1:10 this for you as you know yeah you asked you told me that Ty had come to you in a 1:16 dream right and you never told me what she said or what she was what her 1:22 message was to you yeah I mean this is what I've always wanted to ask you privately right like me and you like 1:29 what did he say um I don't remember if I'm being honest with you I I don't 1:34 really know if I believe in the visiting of ancestors anymore I don't really like 1:41 people who are in your family I don't think that's something that I've ever seen biblically where like you really 1:48 get visitors from your family on behalf of Christ um I've Dreamed A lot of 1:53 things if that's what you're asking I've Dreamed A lot of things about you and and I've Dreamed A lot of things about 1:59 my but I've never fully dreamed um what I I can't remember exactly what you're 2:05 referring to if that's what you're asking me okay yeah but you called me and so 2:10 you you knew something wasn't right and you were questioning me and you were asking but this is before you knew 2:15 anything and you had had a dream with Ty I'm not saying she actually visited you but you had had some kind of dream that 2:21 had upset you and I wondered because she had passed away if she had actually visited you and told you something 2:28 because she visited and told me plenty of things and the very first thing she told me was I'm sorry Mom for being such 2:35 a brat that's first things that she told me and it was so tily and it was so her 2:42 so I just wondered if she had said something to you that you recall and that was such a long time ago I just 2:47 always have wondered because I never asked you at the time you know what your 2:53 dream was you just had told me that you had a dream and that she had come to you so I wondered 3:00 yeah I don't really remember to be honest with you um okay I just didn't know if that was something 3:07 that and I get I totally appreciate what you believe or don't believe or whatever you know what I believe so it's not a 3:13 big secret um I mean it's what you know from when you knew me not what you know 3:19 from what police have told you or other people have told you but what you actually know from me personally which 3:27 that's the only other thing I wanted to ask you about because do you you remember our drive to Reno just me and 3:33 you right mhm and I remember you telling me 3:39 some really out there stuff just told me that there's multiple 3:44 lives and I told you that's not true and I really don't believe in that at all I don't think you anybody's ever lived 3:49 multiple probations I don't think anybody's ever come back besides Jesus himself I don't think that's that's not 3:56 something that we do that's reincarnation that's not something that that Jesus ever mentioned in the bible 4:02 ever I don't there's nobody who who comes back and lives in flesh and is born again and has a whole another 4:08 different life and experience so I I truly knew when you told me that that that didn't make any sense to me and it 4:14 didn't sit right with my spirit but I trusted you as my mom I tried to give you the room to share with what you 4:21 thought and felt but as years went by I had to do my own research on the things 4:27 and I remember thinking when you did that and said that I remember thinking that's just not right in my spirit and 4:34 everybody's entitled to believe what they want but I'm telling you for me personally that that in in no way shap 4:39 or form do I believe that anybody's ever lived um a different life I think once you once you're gone you go to heaven or 4:46 wherever the Lord puts you and that is my true conviction to myself I I don't 4:52 believe in anything else well I honor and respect that and 4:57 just like you said I honor and respect what every else believes they can believe whatever they want to believe 5:03 right like but don't you think that's don't you think that's dangerous to believe anything and just kind of have 5:09 your own basis of of of belief rather than something that's based in truth and 5:16 what the Bible says okay so I agree with you 100% And 5:21 there's purpose for what the Bible does and there's a purpose for what it says and it says all the right things and 5:27 most people who ever come to this Earth only come one time and that's why the 5:33 Bible is for everyone it's not this is higher knowledge that people who need to 5:39 know it can know it and people that don't need to know it don't need to know it so it's not widespread it comes 5:45 directly from Jesus to me it doesn't come from any other source it comes from Jesus Christ to me and so 5:55 that let's go back to what you said um 6:00 I feel like honestly that there's a lot to talk 6:06 about here um can you go over you said Ty's been 6:13 visiting you so I I wanted there's a lot of things I want to go through but you said Ty visited you and spoke to 6:19 you and JJ I heard this in your statement that you made um I wanted to 6:28 know you know what what you mean by that and you know one of the reasons I wanted 6:34 to talk what mean um I think when we talked about Legion let's go back to what we were 6:40 talking about so in the Bible there's a that moment I think it's in John 5 where Jesus casts out the 6:47 demons and he gets rid of them and then the man is back to normal you said that 6:54 there was a reference to the Chosen and I wanted to hear what you said cuz they cut out so what what do you believe in 6:59 when it comes to the zombie idea because that's where you were at that's what you were telling me that's 7:07 that's yes I would love to address this because I have never said the word my 7:14 personal this has gone out of control India whoever made up this whole Zombie 7:19 Thing and escalated what my basic belief was okay I Lori have gone through my 7:28 whole entire Discovery and there's not one thing do you know if you if you do a search and you find you do the word 7:36 zombie in a search for in my Discovery do you know the only thing that comes up 7:42 is when JJ was ordering those little zombie babies from Minecraft that's the 7:48 only thing that comes up in all of my 19 years of my eyecloud I was not saying 7:55 that that is not something I said that is not something that so so yes can evil 8:01 spirits possit humans like it did in John 5 yes I believe that do I believe I 8:07 have the power from to cast him out yeah I do the same way he cast him out in 8:14 episode five of season two of The Chosen okay so yes those are my 8:25 B you there sorry the Wi-Fi ha is so terrible 8:31 it just keeps cutting out it's all right um yeah we can just go through it so you 8:36 were saying that you never said the word zombie that was never used by you ever 8:42 okay M so I mean I have a lot to ask you 8:49 honestly but I wanted to give you the floor to really say your piece and since 8:54 we're cutting out so much maybe it's just a good time um you told me one day You' want want to say it in our last 9:00 phone call you said that you wanted to tell me what has happened so I'm going 9:05 to just give you the floor real quick if you want to stay your peace and maybe I'll just have follow-up questions after that but I want to go ahead and I think 9:12 you know what I'm referring to is what really happened then with my brother and 9:17 my sister and this whole thing and I know that we could talk about my dad but 9:23 I'm assuming that that's because of your case is a little not for right now we can always follow up on that at some 9:29 point cuz I do have a lot of questions about it all but I'm going to try to just keep it strictly strictly to my 9:35 brother and my sister so I just want to give you the floor right real quick and I think we'll just kind of go from 9:43 there well it's obviously different than what everyone else thinks and I don't 9:48 know that if you knew the truth of what really actually happened if you would 9:53 want it to be in a public forum I mean talk you personally I know 10:01 that you are the only person on this planet to me who love Kylie and JJ as 10:10 much as I do the only person so in all of my four 10:16 years or five years of going through this because you know it's been five years now yeah I have asked every one of 10:22 my attorneys how can you help me to talk to 10:27 kobby in a way that I can let him know the truth of what happened because he's 10:33 the only person on this planet not my mom not my sister not anybody else Colby 10:40 is the only person on this planet Who Loved JJ and tyly like I did he was the 10:46 only person that truly cared and in my opinion he is the only person who 10:53 deserves to know what really happened so can you help me find a way where I can 10:58 talk Kobe privately and tell him because this is a horrible situation and I want 11:05 to be able to talk to you but I don't want to I don't know that after you know 11:11 what actually happened if you would want that to be public okay well basically 11:18 you said no one was murdered that was your biggest statement you said not one single person was murdered that 11:24 everybody you said there was suicides and deaths accidental deaths and you 11:30 said that there was um drug overdoses that no one was 11:36 murdered so that's what I'm going to ask you then if if you were willing to say 11:41 it in your statement then I'm asking you to say it to me if you don't want to go into detail that's your decision but I 11:48 that's what I'm asking you today well what I tell I can tell you is 11:55 that I wrote out what happened 12:00 with those 38 pages and that's what I was telling my attorneys I need this to get to Colby I don't care who else it 12:08 has to go through but I don't think it's fair to Colby to not have this 12:14 information since he is the only person I feel 12:19 like was as close to that cared about JJ and Ty like I did now you are the only 12:26 person kobby in the entire world that I like I said I want to talk to Kobe and 12:33 tell him because he deserves to know I don't care that anybody else knows and I frankly don't care what anybody else 12:39 thinks it's not their children they're my children and they're your brother and sister and we were the family and we 12:44 were the ones doing everything for them and when you took care of JJ with Ty was in the hospital that time before we had 12:51 to move to Hawaii and you sat there with him as a two-year-old but before medication before we knew he had autism 12:57 and he would just run like 100 miles an hour and I remember because when I 13:03 picked when you picked us up at the airport picked us up and you were so mad at me when you picked me up with JJ and 13:09 you're like what are you doing and you're too old to be you're a grandma age and you're too old to have this baby 13:15 and what are you doing and he's going to have so many problems and you were really mad and JJ came with his own love 13:23 and you fell in love with JJ you Colby did and when you had to take care of him 13:28 during that time I think that bonded you the most to him when you took care of him and Ty and I were in the hospital 13:35 and Charles was in Hawaii trying to set up the house and we were trying to move out of that huge 5,000 foot house and we 13:41 were just throwing everything in the dumpster because we couldn't move it we didn't have time because we didn't 13:47 expect Ty to be with angri titis in the hospital and I was in there with her screaming 13:52 and oh and so you are the only person that deserves to know the truth 13:59 also I can't tell the story of what happened to Ty and JJ without telling 14:06 Ty's life and I don't necessarily want to tell that to the public but you know 14:11 it you are the only person who lived it with me and her you lived it with me you 14:17 went with me and her to therapy every week you were the ones there was she was crying and screaming and throwing things 14:23 in walls because they were forcing her to go to Joe you saw all of her moods you knew how she was had depression and 14:30 anxiety and anxiety attacks and you and Kelsey were even coming over to Mentor her during that time you know because 14:38 you were there and you were there with JJ you were there with Ty and you know 14:44 and I didn't want to write it out like that I didn't want to just say oh this is what happened I wanted to talk to you 14:50 and answer your question so I could tell you everything that actually happened and if you have a question of something 14:56 well the police said this then I have an answer for for that that's not what they weren't there and they don't know so I 15:02 wanted to talk to you so I could hear your questions and answer your questions because you are the only person besides 15:10 me on this whole earth who really Lov both of them the way that I did and so 15:19 you heard what happened if you heard that what I wrote they wouldn't give me the detail really so I that's why I'm 15:27 asking cuz I I that's what that's I'm happy I would be happy to tell you personally and privately because I don't 15:34 know if you want those details out in the public well you pretty much said it in the 15:41 trial so I guess I'm wondering why you said those things if you weren't willing to just 15:46 share if that's the truth if that's the truth that you say it 15:52 is well it is the truth and it's exactly what happened but do you want me to say 15:58 what I what I've seen personally sure 16:04 so it's going to be heavy so I hope you're ready for this um they found my little 16:11 brother in a bag tied 16:17 up buried and then they found 16:23 remnants of my sister remants not even a person 16:30 anymore remnants of her can you imagine why that is do you 16:37 have any any room to think that that would happen 16:44 no no so did you know Ty's desire of wanting to be 16:51 cremated that was your version of cremating her wasn't 16:57 mine cuz that doesn't it wasn't mine but did you know that she had that 17:04 desire no well so you don't know because you 17:10 weren't there but when after Charles passed away and Alex and I and Ty were 17:16 at our table in there at the house in Chandler and we were going over Charles wishes and Charles had put all his stuff 17:22 down saying he wanted to be cremated and don't ever put me in a box or I'll come back and haunt you cuz he was 17:29 claustrophobic he didn't like the idea of being in a box and he had said all these funny things on his letter to me 17:36 and I said to me and Alex at the time she said don't you put me in a box 17:42 either she's like whenever I'm out of here I want to be cremated that was her big thing so why wasn't put into why 17:50 didn't you cremate her if if she wasn't murdered why was 17:56 she she wasn't okay according to what you say and you 18:02 say you were there I'm trying to give you the space without telling you what I think and feel I'm trying to ask you the 18:09 question because that's not cremation I have my brother and 18:14 sisters's Ashes that's cremation I have can you imagine can you 18:22 imagine coming in on that [Music] scene can you imagine as a mother your 18:29 father now so imagine you come in and find two of your children deceased so 18:37 they just died out of nowhere I didn't say that you come home 18:43 or whatever and both your kids are dead and then and then what you just never 18:49 tell me what happened or you never tell anybody 18:55 anything I'm trying to understand you you can't because you can't imagine what that is like you can't even imagine you 19:03 know how much I love those kids you know how much I've put into them you know how much I've done everything to protect 19:09 them you know how much I've done everything to get tily every kind of help fought and every kind of court to 19:15 keep her safe fought in every kind of hospital so they wouldn't do a whole bunch of horrible stuff to her when she 19:20 was sick all the time you know what I did for them I know so you imagine 19:26 walking in find find in them and they had been gone for hours 19:33 there was nothing I can do even though you can't you just can't imagine 19:41 you can't imagine that scenario because until you live it you can't imagine that scenario and when I came 19:49 in and I knew I knew Ty had been upset and I knew 19:57 that she was upset with me that weekend because she wouldn't stay at the house 20:02 because I would Melanie Gibb stay there and she hats Melanie Gibb as you know everyone knows this chav at her and she 20:09 couldn't stand her smell because she had the essential oils and tyly got sick off the essential oils and sixth grade 20:14 because her teacher made her drink the essential oils in sixth grade to Hope with anry Titus if you remember all 20:20 that so she didn't want to stay there so I 20:26 asked her to babysit JJ put him to bed that night which is what she always has done right she was going 20:34 to bed I was going to do my podcast to a stupid Melanie and Dave right so JJ 20:40 wouldn't interrupt it and then I was picking him up in the morning to get him ready and take him to 20:47 school and when I came in on that scene and they were 20:55 gone I thought tyly did it to get back at me I thought 21:04 it was all my fault I thought she was mad at 21:09 me and that's what had happened and the 21:16 reason why she visited me and why JJ visited me and came to 21:22 me right after that is because to tell me that it wasn't my fault H because I 21:29 was blaming myself 100% 100% why didn't I get tyly more help why 21:37 didn't I why did I let her get off of her meds why did I not do something different why did I let Melanie Gibs 21:43 stay here why did I do any of these things that would lead to this how could 21:49 it possibly have happened why why and how why and how I mean you can't even 21:56 imagine what that is like no one Earth can imagine what that's like you're telling me that Tye took JJ's 22:04 life and then took her own life on accident and took her own life then 22:12 after so who chopped in burnford and who duct tap JJ and put him in the 22:21 ground I'm asking you I 22:29 you were saying what so you told me sorry you're just cutting out I can't 22:36 hear what your question is so you're telling me Tyle took JJ's life 22:42 then took her own life and then someone cremated 22:47 her by dismembering her and burning her and throwing her in a pet cemetery and 22:53 then somebody bound JJ put him in a trash bag and threw him in the backyard no but that was 23:00 it that was the end of it what I'm saying is is I wasn't aware 23:08 what happened to them after I left that scene okay so you gave it to someone else you gave the responsibility to 23:15 someone else is what you're saying correct 23:21 okay and then I didn't I just ran out I just so some you're saying someone else 23:28 took care of the situation 23:33 okay I'm sorry I didn't hear that it's breaking up um I'm saying that you you're saying to me that someone else 23:40 took care of it that's it I don't have to go into more detail there somebody else took care of these 23:47 things so um so you you correct 23:52 okay okay um I'm telling you that their Spirits 23:58 were gone from their bodies at that time they were gone they were already in heaven they were already 24:05 gone okay correct okay so you're saying that they 24:11 were gone and why if that's the case then why 24:17 wouldn't you just tell us what was the secrecy 24:23 for why didn't anybody know there's a lot of reasons Kobe and I I've gone over 24:29 that a million times and I can tell you from the beginning my thoughts then and 24:34 my thoughts now obviously are different I've there would be about it you know to kind of work through it myself but at 24:42 the time I didn't want anyone to 24:48 know what Ty had done to JJ and I wanted to continue to protect 24:56 Ty as her mother who has been trying to protect her her whole life like this is 25:04 my scenario kby what if what if tyly holding JJ down for too long trying to 25:10 get him to not scream and be loud in the apartment which she was always upset about we weren't in a big house anymore 25:15 we were in these tiny little apartments and they were he was loud and what if she held him down too long and realized 25:23 afterwards what she had done what if she had come running to me and told me what 25:28 what she had done right that it was an accident do you not think that I would 25:34 have told police that I did it to save Ty because you know that I would 25:40 [Music] have I would have done anything to protect Ty and in my mind at that time 25:48 and some people might think it's not rational but I not wasn't rational at that time because you can't imagine what 25:53 it's like to find your children in that way you can't imagine so no I was not 25:59 being rational however I was still protecting Ty in my 26:06 mind and I still am this is why I only wanted to tell you privately I didn't 26:11 want to tell the world what went on I don't want to tell the world that Tyler sto taking her medication two weeks 26:18 before that she was on anti-anxiety medication anti-depression medication she was on a medication for um panic 26:25 attacks and she was on birth control so her SI ovarian sis wouldn't be bad she 26:31 was on all that stuff and when we moved up to Idaho two weeks before two weeks 26:37 before a week after we got there she said she didn't want to take her meds 26:42 anymore and I said honey you can't go off Med's cold turkey you can't just like you have to wean off of them and 26:49 you know how she was and you know how stubborn she was and you know how she would did anything that I told her to do 26:55 and she would do the opposite so no I haven't wanted to tell everybody and nobody could even understand how it 27:02 could get to this point unless they understood what had happened to Ty since she was 3 years old so yes I have been 27:11 protecting Tye I will continue to protect tyly I didn't want this to be made public I didn't testify in court 27:18 for that purpose to prot put me in here for five lifetimes they could put me in 27:23 here for a million lifetimes doesn't matter to me so you I'm I just want to 27:28 understand cuz this is what I asked you before you're telling me that all of this is to protect my sister's name 27:36 because of what she did is that in my mind 27:41 yes [Applause] okay I think it's hard because I've come 27:48 to know the prosecutors myself um I've 27:54 looked at a lot of the evidence there was nothing left of my sister to even L 28:00 look at because somebody was so brutal with her somebody was so 28:07 sick with her after she was 28:12 taken um I can't hear you Kobe it's cutting out I said that I can't really 28:18 hear anything you're saying I said that it was I've talked to the prosecutors i' 28:24 I've looked at a lot of what they've shown me and Kylie was so brutally mistreated after 28:31 her death that ites wasn't even human it wasn't even 28:39 humans I'll tell you something about what I know about the minute and because of my own experience of being outside of 28:47 my body right you could care less what happens 28:52 to your body after you die you could care less and I know people on Earth are really worried about it 28:59 I I did not intend for that to be done it's the most brutal thing I've ever heard in my life it's the most brutal 29:05 thing I've ever heard in my life so I don't want to go over that really um me either JJ I want to think 29:13 about that JJ was found they were not in there Kobe they were not in there is what I'm telling you but I'm telling you 29:19 no matter what happens to you when you're at a Corner's office and they cut you open and do an autopsy yeah that's 29:26 really gross it's really gross do anybody that's not what I'm talking 29:31 about but with JJ you're not in there JJ was found fighting his bag that he was 29:38 put in so did Ty tell mean Ty held him down too long or put a bag over his head 29:43 cuz that was the evidence that JJ was being suffocated by 29:48 somebody that was the okay so that is not that is not the case so when I found 29:54 those my little precious babies there was no bag there was no tape 30:02 there's nothing of that they were just [Applause] 30:10 gone anything that was done was after the fact long after the 30:18 fact they were not in there 30:23 okay and that brings me to a question here 30:29 with all of this being said what has it been like for you sorry 30:35 you're cutting out I didn't hear you cuz I cut out what has it been like for you 30:40 then since 2020 how have you been affected by all 30:48 this can you hear me I'm sorry I didn't hear that I said no I didn't hear that only part of it since that's what you're 30:55 going to say how have you been affected since 2020 how's this affected 31:03 you how have I not been affected it's my whole life 31:10 like I was never going to tell anybody anything about anything ever okay so you 31:16 would have never told me you would have never told me when I was at you would have never told you the only person I 31:23 wanted to tell you and you're the only person I wanted to tell and I wanted that to to be private like well the only 31:30 person I I deserve to know that can't just be something 31:35 private Mom that's not something you can just tell me that I would just be 31:41 accepting and understanding of you have to understand that I would never agree 31:47 with you I would never bury my siblings in some random dude's backyard and act 31:53 like it never happened I I would never let that happen I would have even if that's what happened which I'm 32:00 going to be honest with you I hope you can understand cuz you I wanted to be respectful enough to listen to what you 32:05 said um I've really tried to listen and study what You' said and um based off of 32:12 everything that I've been shown that they were both murdered and that and 32:17 that's what you said didn't happen so I think that we're not going to get anywhere there I think that's just I 32:23 wanted to hear what you had to say because you said you were there and you said that those are your children those 32:29 were my siblings but I can't I can't sit here and say that I agree with you at 32:34 all I don't I don't think that's what happened you know you know it's just it's just not what I think happened 32:40 based off when we all get to heaven when we all get to heaven you'll know okay that's all I can tell you I can't tell 32:45 you anything different you know and I can't tell anybody different and I don't care what anybody thinks really like 32:51 they weren't there they don't know so okay well that's what you meant then on that phone call it is what it is it is 32:57 what it is told me on that phone call that I would know and you said I don't know and I I definitely listen to that 33:03 phone call again because I was so hurt because it sounded like you were just giving me a middle finger and you said f 33:09 you I wasn't honey I wanted to tell you the the attorneys told me don't say 33:14 anything on a jail call nothing don't ever say anything they had they Pound That Into You you know from day one like 33:22 so you're asking me and I'm like I can't tell you on this phone call but I want to tell you you the only person I wanted 33:29 to tell because I wanted you to be able to grieve and I wanted you to be able to mourn and I wanted you to be able to 33:35 tell the difference between what they're seeing actually happened and that you would know privately what really 33:40 happened let them say whatever they want who cares it's gone way out of proportion but I wanted you to have that 33:46 for your own peace that's it for your own peace of mind you know TI better than anybody on earth except for me you 33:53 did you lived it with me so can I ask you another question then 33:59 obviously I have a million um trying to keep this very really to the point of the things 34:07 um I think that I've noticed you say you have a lot of these enemies and that you have believed to be 34:17 a very big Usher into the second coming and Jesus and all these things so I'm 34:24 wondering do you feel that you are 34:29 this person who's lived multiple lives and is here to do this thing to usher in 34:36 Jesus is coming is that what all of this hardship on your part is is that why you think you're going through so much 34:42 hardship is that you are that 34:47 [Applause] person well what do you remember me telling you 34:54 about my experiences in the temple I told you personally I only told a few 34:59 people personally and they've gone run wild with these stories so I'm asking you what you remember what I told you 35:06 personally all I remember is your biggest claim is that you had seen Jesus personally and that he had talked to you 35:13 and that he was on your side that was it that's what I really remember I mean you did tell me about um the whole multiple 35:21 lives thing but that's about the basis of what I remember you telling me right and where did I did I tell you 35:29 where that experience happened yeah you said you're in the temple that's what okay 35:39 so so I learned all these things that I 35:46 know from Jesus personally so when he came to me in the 35:53 temple and he put his hands on my head and ordained me need to do something for 35:58 him like a job right and he said will you do this job if you lose 36:07 everything this was in this was in 2017 and then he 36:14 said will you do this job if you become like 36:20 job that's what he asked me and at the time when he was right there with me and 36:26 you have those wonderful Heavenly peaceful feelings I thought sure I'll do 36:33 anything you want me I'll do go to the ends of the Earth I'll follow you to the ends of the Earth like Peter and then 36:40 you walk into that scene and you're on the ground like Peter like what is this 36:45 about what do you mean l everything I lost everyone and including you which 36:52 was really the hardest loss of all to me 36:57 you were my best friend for 24 years and losing you over the past four years was 37:03 harder on me than even losing the kids 37:12 but he asked me to do a job for him and I said that I could and he said it was 37:18 going to be terrible now I'll tell you this okay when you have a visit from 37:25 Jesus a personal visit right then because because there is opposition in 37:30 all things you will have a personal visit from Lucifer okay so weeks after I 37:39 had this visit with Jesus in the temple I was in JJ's room at the big house 37:44 where you got married okay and Lucifer was right in standing right in front of 37:51 me and he said to me I Know Who You Are I know exactly who 37:59 you are and I will stop you okay 38:05 so Jesus gave me a job okay Lucifer has done every single thing to get 38:13 me to take my own life because that is his goal if I leave here I cannot do my 38:21 job for Jesus right the only thing I have to do for Jesus is stay here 38:28 right he needs be here help people now there's eight women there's eight women 38:33 in my pod right now facing the death penalty okay eight women in this little 38:39 jail I help them every day okay I help them doing their workouts I help them 38:45 doing all these things I help them with their cases whether Jesus needs 38:53 me to help him and serve him in primary or in prison he asked me to do this for 39:00 him now the media flood that has come against me right the media flood that 39:09 has come against Me is from Lucifer right he does not want this job done he 39:15 does not want me to help these women he does not want me to uplift them and strengthen them and help them hold on 39:21 until he comes again to rescue us all right he doesn't want that okay so he me 39:27 here okay and he's taken everything away from me like he took away from job the 39:33 only thing he's not wasn't allowed to do to job is what K he wasn't allowed to kill job 39:41 himself right but he was allowed to do everything to make job want to kill himself right everything right so it is 39:51 a personal attack on my family because Jesus asked me to do a job for 40:00 him so that is my belief that 40:07 he has taken every single thing I've ever said and twisted it he has taken 40:13 every truth and turned it into a lie taken every lie and turned it into a truth so yes that is what I feel like 40:20 okay is happening okay I will continue to do my job whether 40:28 I have your support or not although I would love that and one day 40:34 everyone will know that that is true and that that's what happened okay um I hope 40:44 you can listen to what I have to say as well um is sure yeah I I'll be honest 40:52 with you I've done a lot of praying um I've dreamed dreams of me delivering ing 40:57 you from demons um I've in those dreams every time I yelled at you and and we screamed 41:04 and then I would perform a Deliverance on you and I would call things out of you um I do not share your 41:13 beliefs and this is after a lot of pondering and praying on my own um after 41:19 everything happened I started to read the New Testament and I uh I wanted to 41:25 trust you before I found out I wanted to believe that Kylie and JJ would we're 41:31 walking around somewhere maybe in a barn I don't know I just I couldn't understand what you were doing and I 41:37 tried to just keep saying you know what I'm going to trust my mom I'm going to trust my mom I'm going to trust my mom 41:43 um when I found out what happened and I started to see everything I gave you a call and in that call it was very 41:51 confrontational but I felt like I wasn't judging you and a lot of times you said I was judging you and you think that I was with everybody else else and I'm 41:57 like the media and I'm glad that I called you now because I have my head on straight and I can tell you um that 42:04 after a very long time of listening to what um has been in the documents these are the things they recovered from you 42:11 and from Chad and these things it doesn't make sense to me and none of it is biblically based and I know you have 42:17 a different viewpoint but you and I are on completely two different I mean it's 42:23 black and white it's that different and a part of me struggled for a very long 42:29 time to try to remember the person you were before all this and try to remember 42:35 that you did care so much and it felt like you loved us and you tried to protect us and you were just a different 42:42 person and I understand that you believe that these are the things and you know 42:47 what we're not even going to have an argument about that because there's no point there's no there's not going to be 42:52 me sitting here telling you this is and this but I will tell you fundamentally and 42:58 100% um after praying a lot about it and everything over the last few years I do not um agree with what you believe and I 43:06 don't think that yeah but you don't even know exactly what I do believe honey like you're saying that because you're 43:12 going with what everybody else has said I believe but not my actual beliefs 43:17 right but believing that someone is a zombie or a I know you said you didn't say that that is not my belief but 43:24 believing that that is not my belief believing that that I mean even with 43:30 what happened with Chad you know I thought that all these things were happening and all this all this time you 43:36 were talking to him and then you know I was mad at my dad and I stopped talking to him cuz I was mad cuz I thought he 43:43 hurt you but you were talking to Chad too that's not right and those things aren't right and I don't I don't know 43:50 everything like I told you I'm not arrogant to sit here and say I know everything and I wanted to give you the platform to say your peace but my piece 43:57 is this as well I do know you and none of this is congruent to the person that raised me none of it nothing when did I 44:05 Chang I would like to know when you think that this miraculous after years of being a wonderful mother that I 44:11 turned into this horrible person like what no I think when do you think that happened can I be honest with you I 44:18 think you were I think you were Beyond deceived I think spiritually you were 44:24 horribly deceived by a man who standing same room with Jesus Christ 44:30 that he deceived me that I could be deceived after being in the room with Jesus do you think that I could personally be deceived I don't I don't 44:38 think that this is a commission of Christ and I'm sorry to tell you that but I want you to know that because I 44:43 want this to it's a commission of Lucifer trying to make my life miserable that's what it is okay it's not from 44:50 Christ Christ lets things happen and strengthens you through it when he 44:56 attacks you this is not done from Jesus this is Lucifer attacking Our Lives my 45:04 life and including your life because you are my child so you have also been 45:09 attacked and I am very sorry for that there's nothing I can do I leave it in Jesus's hands to handle it because he is 45:17 strengthening us through this attack it's just like he let it all happen to job why did he let job get to that point 45:23 and suffer so much why do you have every single thing taken away from him why why 45:29 did he let all those things happen he has a purpose and he told me this is 45:34 what Jesus told me 20 days before I was arrested in Hawaii Jesus came to me and 45:41 he has several times since I've been in jail but he came to me 20 days before I was arrested and he said this Lori there 45:49 is a purpose for your whole life it is my purpose so trust it 45:57 what do you think I thought at that time they were talking about arresting me and I knew I hadn't hurt anybody I knew I 46:03 never would hurt anybody but so I didn't think I was going to get this and he's going to make it known to the world what 46:10 his purpose is at his in his due time whenever he feels like doing that you will know and I want you to know right 46:16 now that nothing is more important to me than you I love you I've always loved 46:23 you and cherish our relationship as Eternal I understand you being upset with me I get it 100% I don't blame you 46:31 but I want you to know that no matter what you've ever said about me or done or said on the media or anything 46:37 negative I forgive you I don't hold it against you I love you I understand 46:42 completely and you will know one day Kobe and you know and that's all I can 46:49 tell you I love you more than anything I miss being a part of your life and my grandchildren's life I know why you're 46:56 probably doing that but we have an eternal relationship you know Ava came to me the night before she 47:03 was born I didn't even know that Kelsea was due with the baby and she came to me the night before she was born and I held 47:10 her as a baby in the spirit world and she told me that we had loved each other for eons of time and that she loved me 47:18 so much and the joy that filled me when I H that little 47:23 baby filled me kby she came to me because she knew that you wouldn't let 47:29 me see her and you wouldn't let me talk to her but she said our relationship is eternal and she loved me and I'm her 47:35 grandma whether you like it or not she said I'm your grandma whether my parents like it or not and so there is a purpose 47:44 in all this and I'm sorry it's been hard on you honey I love you so much and I'm sorry this has been awful I pray for you 47:50 every minute I was crying in church one day and I was sitting there crying about 47:56 you and I was worried about you and Jesus came next to me and he said why weepest thou and I said you know why I'm 48:04 worried about Kobe I love Kobe so much and he said you love him let me lead him 48:11 I've got this I've got him I know him like I know you so I have left you in his capable 48:19 hands and I know he has taught you and I'm sorry if he hasn't given you comfort where I am concerned and maybe it's not 48:25 time yet but he will will I promise you he will and you all see and everyone 48:31 will know but I want you to know how much I love you I've always loved you 48:36 and I love those babies all of them and I'm sorry that you feel like you have to 48:42 keep them from me I would love to have a relationship with you and with them but you would have to do what you have to do 48:48 but I promise you you will know that all of this is his purpose okay um I'd like 48:55 to give you my piece as well cuz I don't how much longer this is going to go um can you hear 49:01 me yeah now I can okay it was cutting out um I wish more than anything that I 49:07 had my family I prayed and was so grateful when my daughter was being born Ry that she was going to have a family 49:14 and aunts and uncles and grandparents on both sides and people to love and support her and then one day everybody 49:21 was gone and everything was gone I also turned to Christ but I believe believe 49:27 that Christ Was preparing me for what was going to happen and you and I do not 49:32 see eye to eye at all when it comes to belief in Jesus we don't I don't believe 49:38 and I've really searched I didn't just make a conclusion I'm not someone that does that I really take my time and I 49:44 took my time and I read the New Testament and I read Revelations and nothing that I've seen is Godly or 49:52 connected to God and people can say what they want to say I always dig deeper I 49:57 know I'm not going to take someone's word for something I'm going to go try to dig deeper and find things out I based it off of what I knew about you 50:04 and none of it ever added up and he used to ask me on the phone if I would had 50:09 received information or clarification or something of that nature and I never did and then all my dreams following that 50:15 were dreams of me either delivering you from demons or me yelling at you at the 50:21 top of my lungs and you were not the same in my dreams and you were not the same person and I had to accept the fact 50:26 that lost my mom too I had to accept that but with that being said with you 50:31 being there I need to tell you this you did raise me you took care of me took care of my 50:37 needs you tried to protect me the best you could and I'm I'm grateful for what 50:42 you did for me when I was a child but I will tell you this this situation does 50:48 put us at odds and I can't sit here and say that I agree with you I don't I 50:55 can't even really understand where this side's coming from I don't wish pain or anything on 51:03 you I have no malice towards you zero but I do want you 51:11 to anyone no and I won't then I do 100% 51:17 forgive you I forgive you and I'm not going to hold you in a 51:23 jail cell of my heart but you cannot be a part of my children's lives and I 51:28 think you need to understand why because you and I can't even be a part of each other's lives because I 51:34 don't feel like I know you anymore and I don't want to hurt you by telling me that but I don't want to lead you 51:40 [Applause] on how is that forgiveness how is that for forgiveness is a choice of forgiving 51:46 it doesn't mean you keep going it doesn't mean that and if you and I are this different on our beliefs 51:52 of what happened to my family then how could we ever even com I can't sit here 51:57 and pretend like this isn't what it is and I hate all of it and I hate that you 52:06 are still suffering in some way but at the same time I understand it you and I do not agree and I can't 52:14 say even listening to you I don't feel that conviction in my heart that that's what happened but that's what you think 52:19 happens that's what you say happens and you know what I wasn't there but I know 52:25 what I feel and I I have my own spiritual intelligence and I have my own ability to search and Ponder and I guess 52:32 this leaves us to a place where I all I can ever know is that I will find out one day in heaven and that's all I could 52:39 ever say about it because you and I cannot agree on these things I do not wish harm on you I saw you in that 52:45 courtroom and I wish I could have talked to my mom I I wish I had my mom there I 52:52 wish I had my brother and my sister to look at all my kids I wish my dad was here and being a part 52:59 of it I wish my family was here and they're not and you're gone 53:06 too and that hurts it hurts but I want you to know I don't 53:13 have a harmful bone of my body towards you I am mad and I'm 53:19 upset but this is something you and I cannot agree on and I need to set that base now we do not agree on that 53:28 I want to make sure that somehow someway you're not stuck in this place 53:34 forever because I don't know what you think people have said that you have a delusional disorder of hyper 53:41 religiosity and you know what because if you tell anybody you've had a visit from Jesus that's what they say that's what 53:48 psychological world says but I am not crazy I never was when I was at the hospital I met lots of people who were 53:55 and I wouldn't call them crazy but that have mental disorders and I do not okay 54:00 same thing about all the prophets who who said they saw Jesus they said well 54:07 and they're mad like well came to you why doesn't he come to me why doesn't he come and tell me this stuff right it's 54:12 the Sadducees and the Pharisees it's all of that so okay what I'm upset about 54:18 hearing your statement is that it's the first time I realized and I'm sorry for 54:24 you honey cuz I love you so so much but it's the first time I realized that when 54:30 Jesus asked me to be like job that you're also having to be like him 54:37 because I know you lost everything and all at once but you have your wife you 54:43 have your beautiful children you have your life still and I'm grateful for that I'm 54:50 grateful that you have a support system with Kelsey and her family I'm grateful that you have that I'm grateful that the 54:55 kids have that and this is my mission and my mission will be revealed to 55:02 everybody at some point and including you and at that time I just want you to know I'm not gonna say I told you so I'm 55:09 just gonna say I love you I want you to know that I did 55:14 conduct this obviously like an interview and I want you to know that I don't know exactly what I'm going to do with this 55:21 but um I'm just I want you to know that I my plan was us to have this 55:27 conversation and give you this piece for the public at some point and that's what I want you to know but that is the plan 55:35 for you to have said what You' never got to say 55:40 publicly I wanted you to know how much I love you and whether you reciprocate that or not I mean I know you love me 55:48 but whether you want to have a relationship with me or not you know 55:53 that's up to you that's 100% so I respect all of your wishes I know 55:59 you're a grown man now and you can make your own decisions but I would ask you to pray about I would ask you to help 56:06 Jesus tell you the suffering that has been for me in the past five years so that you'll know that there's nothing 56:13 that I could have done different that would have had a different result for you to lose everyone there's nothing I 56:19 could have done to complete my mission and there's a totally different attitude 56:24 in heaven than there is here because they realize this is just a short time and it's temporary the things that we do 56:31 there are Eternal and have eternal importance but your relationship with me 56:37 is eternal so that's the only reason I would ask you to even pray about that Kobe All I Ever 56:43 Wanted for you was to have peace about it I know you lost everybody I'm sorry that you did it was not my choice and it 56:50 was not what I wanted for you at all I wanted the same thing for the kids I wants everybody to be happy but 56:58 that's not what this life is about apparently it's certainly not what job's life was about but in the 57:07 end what do they give job they give him everything back and more so we'll see 57:13 how Jesus wants to handle that you told me when that is going to be but he did come to me on February 2nd in this jail 57:20 this year and he said many things to me and he told me to write them down and when I wrote them down said one of the 57:27 things he told me I think the phone calls were spotty 57:33 phone calls are really spotty she uh was trying to see if she was going to call back I feel like we 57:40 didn't really end it um my raw reaction right 57:46 now is I just spoke to my mother for the first time in 4 57:54 years and I feel like 57:59 like that was the hardest that was the hardest I've ever fought to not respond 58:07 I made a decision in the beginning before I interviewed her that I would not try to 58:13 rebuttal her and the reason being because there's no 58:18 point it would have been just a defense mechanism thrown up there would have been no conversation it would have 58:24 been um it would have been chaos and it wouldn't have been a 58:32 conversation I can't tell you how shocking that 58:38 is I don't think I'll ever have an interview with someone that was harder than that tell you that right 58:45 now um I would have rebutted everything that she said I'm still shaky and emotional 58:55 um I'm just going to give this to you guys really raw because this is what we 59:00 need in life is more of real stuff not just edited and 59:06 cut that was the a really hard conversation 59:17 um She's So convicted of her her truth and her reality 59:28 she truly believes what she 59:34 says she begged to be in my life 59:43 oh it's so hard bro because she's you know that's your mom you just want to trust someone you 59:49 want to love him can't do it um I can't explain it to her the way I wish I could 1:00:01 of course I want my mom to be a part of my life of course I miss my 1:00:06 family but uh you know that can't 1:00:12 happen that can't happen 1:00:18 man her belief is so far off I didn't even get to really ask the 1:00:24 questions I had for just turned into a conversation I hope I was very organized 1:00:30 before tried to keep it very clear and it just didn't work out that 1:00:37 way this is the one of the hardest things I've had to do is have that 1:00:45 conversation um my sister did not kill my 1:00:53 brother she didn't 1:01:00 put it on her so 1:01:09 unfair it's so unfair to Ty she would never do 1:01:17 that I don't care how mad she was how upset she was how hurt she was and she was putting put through hell being moved 1:01:25 around and after everything that happened to my dad she didn't even have a chance to 1:01:33 breathe and to blame her the 1:01:41 world this is a D's fault Dam all right let me pull myself 1:01:48 together here this isn't Ty's fault um she didn't 1:01:53 do that 1:02:07 JJ she didn't do that so that's not the truth that's not the 1:02:13 truth and uh I guess I have to accept how 1:02:18 delusional my mom is 1:02:25 this is not real there's no even slight evidence that Ty did 1:02:34 that and it uh it just hurts to blame her after uh she was brutally taken who 1:02:42 knows exactly how JJ was taken Tammy was taken Charles was taken they were taken 1:02:48 it wasn't an accident um I'm going to have to process this obviously 1:02:57 um yeah I didn't get to say goodbye to her I feel like I said my piece you heard what she had to say so 1:03:05 it's about it um I'm a mess right now but uh I'm not going to let that be 1:03:12 the narrative Tye didn't do that but I didn't rebuttal her cuz I 1:03:18 knew it wouldn't go anywhere I tried that I was very confrontational with her and I just got doors in my face I knew I 1:03:23 had to come in and be just ask questions not come in with an angle not 1:03:31 to say my pie to set my pce to the end I feel like she heard what I had to say so this was uh the heaviest thing I've 1:03:39 ever done thank you guys for watching this this is not easy to share but I say 1:03:44 that right now because I'm feeling the gravity of this 1:03:58 I'm feeling the gravity of this fully so just want to say thank you 1:04:03 guys for supporting supporting me my 1:04:09 family and uh I did my 1:04:15 best I did my best to talk to her anyway thank you guys I love 1:04:24 you I love you

Thanks,

-Smac

Smac thanks for providing this. This was a devastating conclusion for her son Colby to have happened. The least she could do is say how sorry she is for the mistakes she's made and own up to what happened. He truly wanted a relationship if she had owned up, IMO. But she made it horribly worse by saying Tylee was responsible, and also Jesus, basically. 

[bluebell]

55 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Smac thanks for providing this. This was a devastating conclusion for her son Colby to have happened. The least she could do is say how sorry she is for the mistakes she's made and own up to what happened. He truly wanted a relationship if she had owned up, IMO. But she made it horribly worse by saying Tylee was responsible, and also Jesus, basically. 

I think she's truly mentally insane and if she is, then she can't apologize because all of her delusions are real to her.  If she's not incredibly mentally ill, then she's diabolically evil.  Now Chad, on the other hand...he deserved the death penalty if anyone does.

[Calm]

Her former public defender(s?) has dumped her; she has 3, I think, public defenders in Arizona for the trial in the death of her husband, Charles Vallow.  Thing is, she wants to defend herself.  My guess is she is craving attention.  Her former lawyer wanted a mental evaluation, so my guess again is they were hoping for incompetency, which pissed her off….however pure speculation as I haven’t been following at all.  I got a popup in my FB from the reporter that did a great job on it, so I looked up the article.  Now I will probably forget again until the trial.

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/lori-vallow-doomsday-mom-confirms-she-wants-represent-herself-arizona-trial

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status conference was held on Nov. 6 to discuss her mental competency process, which could likely delay her murder conspiracy trial. Vallow’s new public defenders appeared in court for the first time, asking Judge Justin Beresky to grant their motion to withdraw the Rule 11 request.

 

It was Vallow's former public defenders who filed a motion for the Rule 11 evaluation. Those public defenders have since withdrawn themselves from the case . Per the Maricopa County Superior Court's website, under Rule 11, the Forensic Services Division evaluates defendants for competency in criminal cases. Vallow’s February 2025 trial has been vacated at this time, due to the request.

Judge Beresky was told by one of Vallow's new lawyers, Pamela Hicks, that after a "lengthy" conversation with Vallow, they feel she does not need to be in Rule 11, and the defendant wants to move forward with her trial, representing herself.

The prosecution, meanwhile, told Judge Beresky that he had already decided a Rule 11 process was necessary when the initial motion was granted on October 21. That motion was filed by Vallow’s previous public defenders who have since withdrawn themselves from her case. Prosecutors argued that ‘a reasonable basis’ to conduct the competency evaluation has been found, and if the request to withdraw was granted, the State would ask for a mental evaluation.

 

Edited November 9, 2024 by Calm

[bluebell]

15 hours ago, Calm said:

Her former public defender(s?) has dumped her; she has 3, I think, public defenders in Arizona for the trial in the death of her husband, Charles Vallow.  Thing is, she wants to defend herself.  My guess is she is craving attention.  Her former lawyer wanted a mental evaluation, so my guess again is they were hoping for incompetency, which pissed her off….however pure speculation as I haven’t been following at all.  I got a popup in my FB from the reporter that did a great job on it, so I looked up the article.  Now I will probably forget again until the trial.

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/lori-vallow-doomsday-mom-confirms-she-wants-represent-herself-arizona-trial

 

I wonder if Chad has dumped or of they are still delusional together.

[The Nehor]

On 6/2/2024 at 12:07 AM, grapevine said:

Appeals do last forever.  In the 1990s someone demanded to be executed and dropped his appeals so was on death row less than two years before going to Hell.  In Idaho there were two recent inmates scheduled to go to Hell.  One had several dates set but Idaho didn’t have drugs to put him to death every time sentence came up.  Don’t know if he will get another appeal.

There is an ongoing problem about lethal injection drugs and a lot of quality control issues that aren’t really addressed. It was something of a scandal.

[sunstoned]

On 11/9/2024 at 1:04 PM, The Nehor said:

There is an ongoing problem about lethal injection drugs and a lot of quality control issues that aren’t really addressed. It was something of a scandal.

I worked as a Utah State prison guard while going to school.  I remember seeing the metal chair used for executions by the firing squad.  They pad the back wall with old mattresses to avoid ricochets.  Kind of messy, but no quality control issues.

[blackstrap]

I find it suspicious that any Vet can have a drug that will drop a horse in seconds but the State is stymied.

Edited November 12, 2024 by blackstrap

[Calm]

1 hour ago, blackstrap said:

I find it suspicious that any Vet can have a drug that will drop a horse in seconds but the State is stymied.

They have to make sure it doesn’t cause cancer.  

[Kenngo1969]

On 11/11/2024 at 9:33 PM, blackstrap said:

I find it suspicious that any Vet can have a drug that will drop a horse in seconds but the State is stymied.

 

On 11/11/2024 at 11:20 PM, Calm said:

They have to make sure it doesn’t cause cancer.  

In someone who is going to die anyway!  Go figure!  (I apologize and repent for my perhaps-groan-worthy, perhaps-cringe-worthy, momentary turn toward black humor!  We now return you to your regularly-scheduled, on-topic programming already in progress!  ) 

[blackstrap]

6 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said:

In someone who is going to die anyway! 

I recently heard a story about an inmate scheduled for execution who was asked what he wanted for his last meal. He said he didn't want a last meal but wanted a last cigarette. Initially that request was denied because it  was not good for his health. Eventually ,he did get the cigarette after much debate. You can't make this stuff up... well...

[Calm]

I feel like this is going to be like watching a train wreck with her defending herself.  I think I will likely be just looking at highlights to see if forensics can establish what happened given all the witnesses besides Vallow-Daybell are dead.

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/lori-vallow-can-represent-herself-her-arizona-trials-judge-rules.amp

[Calm]

She apparently sees herself as a seasoned advocate:

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Judge Beresky also asked Vallow why she wants to represent herself.

"For the past five years that I’ve been incarcerated," Vallow replied. "I have taken upon myself to study case law and criminal rules of procedure in the State of Idaho and Arizona, as well as federally."

Vallow also told Judge Beresky that she had studied family law for 10 years prior to her 2020 arrest.

"I have real trial experience. I have participated in three different full trials from beginning to end," Vallow said in court.

As mentioned before, Vallow was on trial in Idaho, and it is unclear what other two trials she was referring to.

My guess is she is referring to the two child custody lawsuits she was involved in…hardly trials though.

[Calm]

https://www.facebook.com/100044424966565/posts/1200207904803364/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

The woman has no shame…

 

other updates:

https://www.facebook.com/100044424966565/posts/pfbid02F6wgR9P7xRrahRmRadvkrgiopydKGBLMqjYxPfP2yK9GEkaTtaBieLkuNjZbAuAsl/?app=fbl
 

https://www.facebook.com/100044424966565/posts/pfbid02nuB5qbbFLMrHd81rEWvWNLGKHTbr8gbm7DcxeyHeMRFrTYax4epqAD7yXFDsPjAMl/?app=fbl

An attempt to dismiss because of lack of speedy trial, I thought I posted this somewhere, but can’t find it.  I am pretty sure I saw that the judge rejected the attempt, said all the delays were necessary and timely…one of the delay being her years in the custody of Idaho, for example.

Edited February 5 by Calm

[Calm]

Prosecutor wants to prevent Tylee’s interview with police from being heard in court, claiming it’s hearsay.  

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1212215680269253&id=100044424966565

Not seeing the whole thing thrown out it’s not hearsay to tell what she allegedly saw and heard herself of the fight and what happened afterwards, even if she didn’t see the shooting.

Prosecutor can caution the jury on whether they should believe it or not given Tylee has reason to be very frightened of her mother, who was watching the interview, as well as her love for her mother, fear of abandonment, fear for JJ, etc.