Daybell-Vallow trial

[longview]

What a wierd "patriarchal blessing". Probably based on mingling new age stuff with Ervil LeBaron abominations. Alex Cox was very easily manipulated by Chad and Lori.

[bluebell]

1 hour ago, Tacenda said:

If he had a decent bone or artery in his body, he'd want the death penalty or whatever punishment he could get. I just couldn't live with myself ever if I had a part in any of these deaths.

Agreed. If he knows he screwed up and believes in the afterlife he should plead guilty.

[ZealouslyStriving]

13 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Agreed. If he knows he screwed up and believes in the afterlife he should plead guilty.

If you are guilty take the obligatory no guilty plea until the lawyers hash out a plea deal. But taking it to trial is just wrong and retraumatizes victims.

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

If you are guilty take the obligatory no guilty plea until the lawyers hash out a plea deal. But taking it to trial is just wrong and retraumatizes victims.

I can understand a plea deal, but hate the no guilty plea idea as if!

[Tacenda]

2 hours ago, longview said:

What a wierd "patriarchal blessing". Probably based on mingling new age stuff with Ervil LeBaron abominations. Alex Cox was very easily manipulated by Chad and Lori.

Well, it was mentioned he may have brain damage from an accident a long time ago? I have to go back and read up on that to make sure.

[ZealouslyStriving]

11 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I can understand a plea deal, but hate the no guilty plea idea as if!

You have to enter a not guilty plea in order for your lawyer to engage in plea bargain talks with the prosecutor. You only change to a guilty plea when a deal has been reached.

BTW, if you are ever questioned, even if you are not guilty, always use your right to an attorney.

Edited April 17, 2024 by ZealouslyStriving

[Calm]

5 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Well, it was mentioned he may have brain damage from an accident a long time ago? I have to go back and read up on that to make sure.

Yes, he was in a car accident in his late teens iirc.  My memory is his family didn’t trust doctors, so he just walked away from it without getting checked out…but it has been at least a year since I reviewed stuff so not sure.  

[Tacenda]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

Yes, he was in a car accident in his late teens iirc.  My memory is his family didn’t trust doctors, so he just walked away from it without getting checked out…but it has been at least a year since I reviewed stuff so not sure.  

😮‍💨 Sad, I kind of feel sorry for the guy, as well as some of the other children like his sister that mysteriously died. 

[Calm]

8 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

😮‍💨 Sad, I kind of feel sorry for the guy, as well as some of the other children like his sister that mysteriously died. 

I suspect he was manipulated by his family and his exwife? seemed to think he was an okay guy away from his family, but from what I remember it seems he took advantage of others just as much…for example, using his cousin and aunt and uncle to handle his sister’s death arrangements rather than doing it himself or insisting his parents come home from vacation. 
 

Iirc, he also liked to shoot dogs out in the desert and went to SA to try and hook up with prostitutes, possibly underage. He had a nasty streak in him. It wasn’t only protectiveness of his sister. 

Edited April 17, 2024 by Calm

[Tacenda]

10 minutes ago, Calm said:

I suspect he was manipulated by his family and his exwife? seemed to think he was an okay guy away from his family, but from what I remember it seems he took advantage of others just as much…for example, using his cousin and aunt and uncle to handle his sister’s death arrangements rather than doing it himself or insisting his parents come home from vacation. 
 

Iirc, he also liked to shoot dogs out in the desert and went to SA to try and hook up with prostitutes, possibly underage. He had a nasty streak in him. It wasn’t only protectiveness of his sister. 

Oh, I forgot about that. I don't feel sorry anymore! I wonder if the car accident was before or after him shooting dogs and the prostitutes. 

[Calm]

11 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Oh, I forgot about that. I don't feel sorry anymore! I wonder if the car accident was before or after him shooting dogs and the prostitutes. 

Before. He was pretty young.  It will likely be in the timeline on websleuthers or whatever that name is, been too long since I hit it. Maybe later. 

Edited April 17, 2024 by Calm

[grapevine]

So his dead ancestors wanted him to have an affair?  I wonder how they feel about that.  His Grandpa he claims to hear voices was not active in the church.  
 

Who actually hears voices from dead ancestors?  The spirit speaks to us.  Even for good things would the spirit say quit playing damn FarmVille and do your genealogy?  The way he manipulated people,  we’re moving to Rexburg, what was his reason?

 

When people do move they consult with there spouse and make joint decisions, they don’t say we are moving like he did.  Unrighteousness dominion.  Using his perception of what dead ancestors say to control people.

 

The voices he did listen too are of the prince of darkness maybe the devil and his angles.  Deceased ancestors may comfort people.  However they don’t talk to people like Chad says they do.  The spirit is calm and does not use compulsion like he did.

 

I read some of his books on the internet library that were free out of curiosity.  I’m not going to buy a book of his at a bookstore or off Amazon.  They are dry.

 

I haven’t read the graveyard one.  But I doubt spirits hang around the graves like he says.  They are in the spirit world. Will come back to graveyard when resurrected.   Visits from dead people Lori said and Chad I’m sure will, those are nonsense.  Murder victims talking to there murderer.  Twisted people who did the work of the prince of darkness.  Inspired the Oct 2022 talk given by Dale G. Renlind.

 

 

[Calm]

5 hours ago, grapevine said:

So his dead ancestors wanted him to have an affair?

Is he testifying or are you getting this from something besides the trial?  I cannot believe the complete lack of interest I have in this now.  I guess with her verdict, it was settled for me and it’s only a matter of time till it becomes official he is behind bars for life as well.

[Calm]

You got me curious enough…

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Chad Daybell told her it was the "saddest day of my life." About an hour later, after she still hadn't responded, he told her that her deceased grandfather was now there with him and her grandfather wanted him to "warn" her that she was now "unprotected."

"The angels are angry that you are ignoring me," Chad Daybell texted. "I'm honestly not trying to manipulate you to respond. I understand that you need your space. But they say you have cut me off, and the protection I built around your house is gone."

 

https://www.ksl.com/article/50987736/angels-are-angry-fbi-agent-describes-manipulating-texts-between-lori-and-chad-daybell

I just don’t get the attraction.  It reads all creep to me.  Even he realizes it sounds creepy with his “honestly not trying to manipulate you”.

[Tacenda]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

You got me curious enough…

https://www.ksl.com/article/50987736/angels-are-angry-fbi-agent-describes-manipulating-texts-between-lori-and-chad-daybell

I just don’t get the attraction.  It reads all creep to me.  Even he realizes it sounds creepy with his “honestly not trying to manipulate you”.

And really bad that Lori was such a sucker. Or maybe not, maybe she's that evil.

[Calm]

5 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

And really bad that Lori was such a sucker. Or maybe not, maybe she's that evil.

I think she wallowed in him needing her so bad he would make up these stories to keep her.  There is nothing in her history that her cousin relates and from the court documents of the Texas custody suit that she had with Joe Ryan that suggests she is a victim rather than a manipulator and plenty that point to the opposite.  Both come across as people used to using others to get what they wanted while managing to look good while they did it….until they went too far and started believing their own lies.

Of course, I may be way, way off, but this is how I make sense of their nonsense taken to tragic extremes.

Edited April 23, 2024 by Calm

[Calm]

For those like me who just want the highlights:

https://www.ksl.com/article/50997023/key-testimony-so-far-from-witnesses-in-chad-daybell-trial

[Calm]

Prosecution rested today.  There was a technicality/clerical error (death date of JJ was wrong) that could have been major, but apparently was ruled not (the original indictment was accurate).  Possible grounds for appeal, I guess.  I may follow the defense more as there was no defense put up for LVD and Prior is capable if not that likeable.  Haven’t been paying much attention so far.  Picked up there was some jailhouse conversations between the two after she was arrested, they were allowed to talk as much as they wanted and they talked around 10 times a day.  They apparently used code.  She has to have lost it.  She was still buying CD as speaker to the dead, etc.  They list her as giggling a lot in the transcripts from my glimpse at them.

https://ksltv.com/648249/daybells-attorney-says-no-evidence-chad-daybell-was-involved-in-death-of-tylee-and-jj-argues-for-direct-verdict/

https://ksltv.com/648310/chad-daybells-defense-prepares-to-make-case-to-jurors/

Edited May 18, 2024 by Calm

[Calm]

Defense is prepared to rest, no real surprises if I skimmed well enough….kids backing their dad’s story.  Garth claims he got a lot of pressure to change his story.  Rebuttals

https://www.ksl.com/article/51019922/defense-calls-into-question-electronic-forensic-evidence-in-chad-daybell-murder-trial

Odd story about a man showing up before court last month, claiming to be Daybell’s lawyer and trying to get the trial stopped.

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Ratliff filed the motion to intervene and continue the trial on Friday, March 29 at 11:42 p.m., just two days before jury selection was set to begin in the case. Several words were misspelled – including “motion,” “continue,” “proceedings” and Ratliff had the case number wrong, according to Boyce. He also claimed three times in the motion that he represented Daybell as his defense attorney, but that was not true. The filing was entered into the iCourt system on Sunday, March 31 – hours before potential jurors were scheduled to arrive at the courthouse. Boyce, his staff and attorneys have spent the previous week going through juror questionaries in Boise. “On Easter Sunday, my staff attorney, who had an opportunity finally to travel home and spend Easter with her family after a very long week, was interrupted out of her church services,” Boyce said. “She contacted the court and said we had an emergency. The emergency was we had a motion to continue the trial.” Boyce had to contact the prosecution and defense and work with court clerks to deal with the motion. He immediately sealed it and a hearing was later scheduled for Thursday. The motion was still sealed as of Thursday afternoon when Ratliff showed up with his attorney, Michael Bartlett. “While I appreciate the time and research Mr. Bartlett has put into the case, we don’t have a party appearing in this case before me. You are not the defendant, you are not the state, you are not the prosecutor, you are not the defense attorney,” Boyce said to Ratliff. “You are an attorney with a license who filed something asking me to stop this trial when I don’t think you had legal standing to do that…I’m going to tell you Mr. Ratliff, I was angry then and I think I’m angrier now about what you did.” Boyce told Ratliff he had some questions for him – not his attorney – because he was the one who filed the motion on his official letterhead. Ratliff said he made an error in claiming to be Daybell’s defense attorney. “This is a template form and I simply forgot to take it off,” Ratliff said. “In the body of the motion, I say I am filing it without permission of the defendant or his counsel.” Boyce asked who he was representing. Ratliff responded he should have signed the motion as “citizen.” “You’ve got your name, your Idaho state bar number, your Ratliff Law Office and attorney for defendant. You’re telling me you mistakingly filed something as a citizen and not an attorney?” Boyce asked. “Why were you doing that on a Friday night at almost midnight?” Ratliff responded that he needed to do something to slow the case down to which Boyce replied, “This trial is scheduled for how many years and you wanted to slow it down the day before it started?” Ratliff told Boyce he had received calls from defense attorney John Prior about possibly helping in the case but admitted he was never retained as counsel. When Ratliff mentioned he wanted to intervene as “citizen at large,” Boyce asked why he filed as an attorney. Ratliff responded that it was semantics, to which Boyce interjected. “Whoa – let me stop you there. It absolutely is not. A bar-licensed attorney filing something with their bar number is completely different than a citizen. That is not semantics,” Boyce said. When asked to explain the misspellings and errors, Ratliff said he was nervous, it was late at night and he “didn’t take this lightly. “You didn’t take it lightly but you used the wrong form, you misrepresented if you were an attorney or a citizen and you signed three times you were an attorney for the defendant,” Boyce said. The judge ruled Ratliff violated the Idaho Rules of Civil Procedure and sanctioned the attorney. He was ordered to reimburse the defense, prosecution and court for time spent working on the motion. As Bartlett asked to interject at the end of the hearing, Boyce said, “You may not. I’m done with this issue and I’m done wasting time on this issue in the middle of a capital case. We’re done. We’re in recess. Period.”
 

Also the attorney for one witness had to leave the court.  My guess is he was intent in his client’s testimony and accidentally was nodding (as in confirming to himself the testimony was what he expected), which looks the same as signaling.

 

[grapevine]

Prior may have put his 🦶 in the 👄 the other day.  He actually said we’re not there when Tammy was murdered.  So he even knows he is.  A defense attorney has to do what he can to get client lighter sentence.  Doubt they will get him offf.  Did his slip hurt his client.

Looks like defense has brought all there witnesses in.  Last witness Boise State dna expert.  Sounds like there will be rebuttal witnesses.  Two Rexburg Police officers and Chads daughter.  Chads daughter said husbands didn’t know life insurance was up.  But prosecution witnesses said something different.  Chads kids said her mom had failing health.  Emma said no one should want autopsy,

 

Another one Tuesday and Saturday only days available for funeral.  From Rexburg funeral 🏠 and Springville one.  Of someone has terminal illness and is dying, or elderly person what is point of Autopsy? However if a healthy person does suddenly wouldn’t you want an Autopsy to see what health problems there were.  Or to avoid suspicion of foul play.

 

His rush for funeral and refusal for autopsy was admission of guilt.  Had the autopsy been performed then I am sure Chad would of been in jail right there.  
 

Family said she had health problems but coworkers said she didnt.  Tough position for kids to be in.  Don’t look like closing arguments will be held this week.  Memorial Day Monday.  Next week should have verdict.  Since it is capital case sentencing will last a week or two they believe.

 

I would not want to be on that jury.  Relief when trial is over.  Unlikely Chad will be acquitted, too many red flags.  Wether he gets death or life will live out life in prison.

[Calm]

2 hours ago, grapevine said:

So he even knows…

I know people are saying it’s a Freudian slip and I think it quite possible, but it could just be from hearing murder used over and over. 

Did the jury pick it up?  Nate Eaton, the reporter who’s been covering it since the beginning said he missed it until someone pointed it out to him.  Too bad (but obviously not worth it) we don’t have a video of the jury to see if anyone noticed. 
 

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Family said she had health problems but coworkers said she didnt.

I would not be surprised if this was a view created in their heads by the talk of Tammy dying/her spirit being disconnected from her body. Also she might well have been going to bed early to avoid having to interact with her husband or because of depression. 

For the family, I hope he gets life. The appeals that go with the death penalty are heavy on the families with nothing really settle for years. 
 

[JustAnAustralian]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/30/us/chad-daybell-doomsday-murder-verdict.html?unlocked_article_code=1.v00.LIm-.uoi6qSbFJIE4&smid=re-share
 

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A jury in Idaho on Thursday found Chad Daybell guilty of first-degree murder in the killings in 2019 of his first wife and two of his current wife’s children in a case that drew widespread attention because of the couple’s “doomsday” religious beliefs.

 

[Calm]

25 minutes ago, JustAnAustralian said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/30/us/chad-daybell-doomsday-murder-verdict.html?unlocked_article_code=1.v00.LIm-.uoi6qSbFJIE4&smid=re-share
 

 

Took them overnight?  Going once through all the evidence again probably would take that long.

Now to find out if death penalty or life imprisonment (I am voting for latter for the families of the victims so it can be over with for them outside of maybe an appeal or two).

[ZealouslyStriving]

There was another verdict that happened at roughly the same time. 🤫

[Kenngo1969]

I'm not sure how much material difference there is between the Times coverage and the Deseret News coverage, if any, but just to be thorough (or pedantic):

https://www.deseret.com/the-west/2024/05/30/chad-daybell-found-guilty/