Daybell-Vallow trial

[katherine the great]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

Excellent.  Nice they could be home for the weekend. I am not surprised they got it done that quickly. Review the evidence to be sure everyone is clear on it and vote. 
 

Now for CD…

I find it almost poetic that she was convicted over Mother’s Day weekend. 🌸 Bless those sweet, children’s souls.

[Tacenda]

It's on Dateline right now, started at 7:00 pm mountain time. Goes two hours I believe. ETA: Still going, probably till 10.

Edited May 13, 2023 by Tacenda

[Kenngo1969]

On 5/9/2023 at 9:54 PM, Calm said:

State rests after some clerical changes approved to the indictment. The judge was not happy. Sloppy work by prosecution waiting till the end. I have never followed a court case before. I wonder how unusual this is and if this was not all that professional at times. 

I doubt any of the prosecutors ever have prosecuted any cases that are this complex, and, certainly, this type of case isn't a "twice-in-a-career" kind of case for the average prosecutor ... so ... they ain't gonna do it again.  I'm trying to close out a civil case, but I have an idiot for a lawyer [read, "I'm representing myself" ], and I'm thinking of several things I should have done much earlier in the process but that I overlooked.  If it can happen in my relatively simple civil case, I'm sure it can happen in a really complex criminal case of this kind.

P.S.:  And I would think that, as the prosecutors looked at their last-minute "To-Do" list, there were probably several things on it that needed their attention, including that one, and, while it was always on the list, it never changed position: "We need to do [x], [y], and [z] ... and amend the indictment"; "We need to do [y], and [z] ... and amend the indictment"; "We need to do [z] ... and, oh, yes: we still need to amend the indictment" ...

Edited May 13, 2023 by Kenngo1969

[Tacenda]

Why oh why do LDS have such weird criminals??

[Kenngo1969]

18 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Why oh why do LDS have such weird criminals??

As compared to the average, generally-law-abiding citizen or resident, most criminals are "weird."  That's why they're ... criminals.

[InCognitus]

18 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Why oh why do LDS have such weird criminals??

Do we?  Or do we just notice it more because of our association with the church? 

What worries me is how many people like this are out there (inside or outside the church) and they get away with it, and we don't know anything about it.  You know there have to be some of those smooth criminals.

[Calm]

48 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Why oh why do LDS have such weird criminals??

Because Saints are as human as the rest.  
 

I haven’t checked these for church membership or accuracy for that matter, just posting to present a greater view of the weirdness of humanity.

https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/franchise/weird-crimes

Edited May 13, 2023 by Calm

[Tacenda]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

Because Saints are as human as the rest.  
 

I haven’t checked these for church membership or accuracy for that matter, just posting to present a greater view of the weirdness of humanity.

https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/franchise/weird-crimes

I would think this as very active believing member. Hopefully I've not offended anyone.

[Hamilton Porter]

You trashy.

[Tacenda]

6 hours ago, Hamilton Porter said:

You trashy.

Me? Or Lori Daybell? haha

[MustardSeed]

7 hours ago, Hamilton Porter said:

You trashy.

To whom are you speaking and why? 

Edited May 15, 2023 by MustardSeed
Grammar

[katherine the great]

On 5/13/2023 at 12:50 PM, Calm said:

Because Saints are as human as the rest.  
 

I haven’t checked these for church membership or accuracy for that matter, just posting to present a greater view of the weirdness of humanity.

https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/franchise/weird-crimes

Life is a rich tapestry. 🤷‍♀️

[katherine the great]

1 hour ago, MustardSeed said:

To whom are you speaking and why? 

Jerry Springer. Clearly. 😂

[InCognitus]

10 hours ago, katherine the great said:

Jerry Springer. Clearly. 😂

I thought he got banned.

[katherine the great]

15 hours ago, InCognitus said:

I thought he got banned.

Or died…

[grapevine]

Lori will be sentenced July 31st.  Archibald and Thomas are asking for a new trial.  Based on Nate’s interview with a juror.  Boyce cleared the jurors for medie interviews if they desired.  Unlikely new trial will be offered.  The at is defendants right though.  After the trial an appelette attorney wil represent Lori.  I don’t know if Archibald or Thomas continue to represent clients in Prison or not.

 

Chads trial is scheduled for next Apr 1st expected to last until end of May.  Still capital case.  Jury has to sentence people to death now.  Firing squad will be allowed in Idaho after July.  One piece of trash in Idaho had three dates scheduled but IDOC didn’t have the right chemicals to send him to Hell.

 

In the early 90;s apiece of trash kidnapped someone on her paper route and murdered her.  Judge sentenced him to death.  Supreme Court then said juries not judges have to sentence people to death.  He could have been retried.  Buttorelief of victims family went to Hell of a Heart Attack so saved them agony.

 

Don't know if jury will sentence Chad during trial or judge will send him To Kuna weeks after the trial.  Listened to voice that will send him to Kuna until he breathes his last breath.  Lori will be extradited to Arizona after the sentencing.  Don’t know if she will go to federal pen, or have last permanent address in an Arizona correctional institute or Pocatello correctional institute.

[blackstrap]

41 minutes ago, grapevine said:

IDOC didn’t have the right chemicals

What, no meth + fentanyl in Idaho ?

[Calm]

1 hour ago, grapevine said:

Lori will be extradited to Arizona after the sentencing.

Has this been announced?

Added:  I see it was announced shortly afterwards the verdict.  I have basically just put it out of my mind and intend to for 9 months.  Too obsessive.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2023/05/lori-vallow-daybell-indicted-on-another-murder-conspiracy-charge/

Edited June 4, 2023 by Calm

[Calm]

1 hour ago, grapevine said:

Unlikely new trial will be offered.

According to a more recent interview, the juror had watched about Dateline about the case on Sunday and did additional research.  He did not read anything or watch stuff about the crime during the trial.  Once the trial was over he can do whatever he wants.  He also said the instructions were quite clear.  So you are quite right highly unlikely a new trial will be allowed for a new trial.

I am not too enamored with the jury system at this point in my life, but if all jurors were like he is, I would have more confidence.

Edited June 4, 2023 by Calm

[Tacenda]

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Edited May 4, 2024 by Tacenda

[Calm]

A month late….

Shock and amazement, LVD wants a new trial! (Sarcasm in case anyone missed that).  I wasn’t impressed by her lawyers during the trial***, seems like they could have made more challenges of credibility of witnesses at times, but maybe I don’t understand the implications or maybe they knew the details would only make it worse.

Judge denies, of course.  Probably rolls his eyes too.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2023/06/judge-responds-to-lori-vallow-daybells-request-for-a-new-trial/

According to them the indictment and jury instructions were confusing, which in my view is nonsense.  A little sloppy, but it doesn’t change anything as she was charged with being a conspirator and a conspiracy was proven, doesn’t matter how big.  But I would love to know who the other two potential conspirators were. Edited my guesses who they were out as that probably qualifies as gossip and/or defamation.

***Nor am I impressed now as why bothering arguing for something when you can’t be bothered to put the info in easily examined format and give it to the judge.  Just making an undocumented claim ain’t going to make it.

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Boyce ruled this also was not grounds for a new trial, stating that he never received a copy of the interview or any of the quotes as evidence or in an affidavit, so he didn’t have them in front of him at any point.

 

Edited July 19, 2023 by Calm

[Calm]

Sentencing is coming up on the 31st.  Possible speakers might be those listed in here:

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2023/06/who-will-speak-at-lori-vallow-daybells-sentencing/

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On Thursday, Boyce released an order on the victim impact statements, ruling only immediate family members will be able to speak at the sentencing.

According to the order, an immediate family member is defined as a “parent, mother-in-law, father-in-law, husband, wife, sister, brother, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, or a son or daughter.”

Grandparents and aunts are not included, but apparently Kay Woodcock could speak as the representative of the father since Charles Vallow is dead (possible trial in LVD’s near future) and Summer Shiftlet as representative of the mother…though why LVD is represented when it is the mother that killed them or had them killed, I am mystified.  I am interested in what she says.  Will she attempt to downplay LVD’s involvement or excuse her behavior somehow or will it be the anguished aunt we heard in the recording to be seen.

Edited July 19, 2023 by Calm

[Calm]

Reminder for those interested, LVD’s sentencing hearing is on Monday and this is allowed to be televised.  It’s predicted to take only one day .
 

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2023/07/how-you-can-watch-lori-vallow-daybells-sentencing-and-what-we-can-expect-to-happen-at-the-hearing/

“The prosecution and defense teams will provide sentence recommendations. Kay Woodcock, JJ Vallow’s grandmother, is expected to give a victim impact statement, along with Samantha Gwilliam, Tammy Daybell’s sister, and Vicki Hoban, Tammy Daybell’s aunt. Other victims may also speak or submit letters to the judge.

Lori Daybell will be given the chance to make a statement if she wishes.”

Sounds like there is no break before the judge issues the sentence. I would have thought if they had victims speak in order to take their experience into account, there would be some serious consideration on it.

Edited July 30, 2023 by Calm

[Kenngo1969]

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2023/7/30/23811634/lori-vallow-daybell-will-be-sentenced-on-monday-heres-what-to-expect

[Tacenda]

11 hours ago, Calm said:

Reminder for those interested, LVD’s sentencing hearing is on Monday and this is allowed to be televised.  It’s predicted to take only one day .
 

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2023/07/how-you-can-watch-lori-vallow-daybells-sentencing-and-what-we-can-expect-to-happen-at-the-hearing/

“The prosecution and defense teams will provide sentence recommendations. Kay Woodcock, JJ Vallow’s grandmother, is expected to give a victim impact statement, along with Samantha Gwilliam, Tammy Daybell’s sister, and Vicki Hoban, Tammy Daybell’s aunt. Other victims may also speak or submit letters to the judge.

Lori Daybell will be given the chance to make a statement if she wishes.”

Sounds like there is no break before the judge issues the sentence. I would have thought if they had victims speak in order to take their experience into account, there would be some serious consideration on it.

I hate that she can make appeals to her conviction every three years, if I read that right.