jkwilliams Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 21 minutes ago, Anijen said: Emphasis mine, "...all the time," I doubt that. I have never had anything stolen, never heard of someone's stuff getting stolen. I'm sure it has happened, but not all the time (not even close to some of the time, probably not even rarely). In my experience it happens more often than you think. Of course, I’m just going by what I was told by temple workers in Houston, who suggested I get a padlock.
USU78 Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 54 minutes ago, Calm said: They sounded like they were anti gun control by the way, used the phrase " harsh gun laws". Can't stand people taking political advantage of horrors. 2
Calm Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, USU78 said: Can't stand people taking political advantage of horrors. Agree, it diminishes my desire to support or at least think of them as decent people working for something they believe in and instead I start thinking of them as selfish, attention getting hacks...though I do know attention is much easier to get in the wake of a tragedy...so keep it in the public square where I can see it if I choose, but stay out of my home. 4
bluebell Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, jkwilliams said: In my experience it happens more often than you think. Of course, I’m just going by what I was told by temple workers in Houston, who suggested I get a padlock. I've never been in a temple (i've been in around 10 so not that many) that didn't have built in locks on the lockers. Does the Houston temple not have those on theirs? 1
jkwilliams Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, bluebell said: I've never been in a temple (i've been in around 10 so not that many) that didn't have built in locks on the lockers. Does the Houston temple not have those on theirs? They had keyed latches, but I was told they were easy to defeat. The latch also had a hole for a padlock, which the temple folks advised me to use. Edited July 24, 2018 by jkwilliams 1
Hamba Tuhan Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Anijen said: I have never had anything stolen, never heard of someone's stuff getting stolen. I'm sure it has happened, but not all the time (not even close to some of the time, probably not even rarely). Same. Our temple has keyed locks on the lockers. Half the time no one even bothers to take the keys. I've learnt to assume a closed locker with the key still in it is an occupied locker. I always lock mine and take the key only because I once didn't, and when I returned to the change room, someone had put his stuff in the locker with mine (I'm guessing he didn't see very well?) and taken the key. I had to get the engineer to come open the locker for me. The lockers in our baptistery don't even have locks. In all of my years of taking young men and new converts to this temple, I've never heard of a single occurrence of theft, and that goes the same for upstairs. 2
Hamba Tuhan Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 2 hours ago, jkwilliams said: In my experience it happens more often than you think. You've actually experienced this personally, or you're just repeating what you heard?
jkwilliams Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Hamba Tuhan said: You've actually experienced this personally, or you're just repeating what you heard? Yeah, I had some cash stolen from my pants in the Provo Temple, though I probably hadn’t locked the locker . It was in Houston that I was told it happened a lot and that the locks were easy to pick. I had no reason to doubt that, as we had gotten to know the temple workers pretty well over the 2 years we were going weekly. I didn’t mention it as some sort of criticism of temple patrons’ character, just noting that dedicating a building doesn’t make it immune from bad things happening. When I worked for the church, I saw the EMTs go into the temple every day. I was told they averaged 1.5 heart attacks there a day. So, yes, bad things can happen in dedicated buildings.
Hamba Tuhan Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 Just now, jkwilliams said: When I worked for the church, I saw the EMTs go into the temple every day. I was told they averaged 1.5 heart attacks there a day. My sister was in a session when an elderly woman toppled over in her seat. My sister performed CPR on her till the ambos arrived, but it was obvious to everyone that she'd gone home and wasn't coming back. Quote So, yes, bad things can happen in dedicated buildings. I'm not sure I'd calling passing away in the temple a 'bad thing', but to each his own. 3
jkwilliams Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Hamba Tuhan said: My sister was in a session when an elderly woman toppled over in her seat. My sister performed CPR on her till the ambos arrived, but it was obvious to everyone that she'd gone home and wasn't coming back. I'm not sure I'd calling passing away in the temple a 'bad thing', but to each his own. I’d say having a heart attack isn’t a good thing, wherever it happens.
JAHS Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 27 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: Same. Our temple has keyed locks on the lockers. Half the time no one even bothers to take the keys. I've learnt to assume a closed locker with the key still in it is an occupied locker. I always lock mine and take the key only because I once didn't, and when I returned to the change room, someone had put his stuff in the locker with mine (I'm guessing he didn't see very well?) and taken the key. I had to get the engineer to come open the locker for me. The lockers in our baptistery don't even have locks. In all of my years of taking young men and new converts to this temple, I've never heard of a single occurrence of theft, and that goes the same for upstairs. I lock it and take the key so I can find the correct locker again when I am done. 2
Hamba Tuhan Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JAHS said: I lock it and take the key so I can find the correct locker again when I am done. I've always assumed that's the prime reason, especially in really big temples. And it may explain why so few in our rather small temple even bother. Edited July 24, 2018 by Hamba Tuhan
jkwilliams Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I've always assumed that's the prime reason, especially in really big temples. And it may explain why so few in our rather small temple even bother. They used to have safety pins attached so you could pin them to your clothes while doing a session. And yes, the number was helpful.
USU78 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 35 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I've always assumed that's the prime reason, especially in really big temples. And it may explain why so few in our rather small temple even bother. It can keep little 90 year old guys from grabbing your gear by mistake.
HappyJackWagon Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 15 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Nonsense.. The LDS Church has a rock hard policy of no guns at church, except for law enforcement. In fact that is state law in Utah. That also includes no guns on campus at BYU. You don't need to guess as to who pushed to have those laws adopted by the Utah state legislature. The Church has less influence in other states, but does not favor individual concealed carry rights at Church. Does that threaten the lives of some members in certain circumstances? Perhaps. But the policy is clear and is not even remotely in line with paranoid fantasy. The idiotic theories of Cliven Bundy do not apply to the First Presidency and Twelve. Nonsense!!! (Chill out, bro) A "rock hard policy" that is often ignored. I guess, since I don't live in Utah, I don't really care about Utah state law. I think a good, vocal reiteration of the policy would be very helpful in my neck of the woods. Sorry if you think that is nonsense.
jkwilliams Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 17 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: And bottom feeders sneak in and record temple ceremonies, them post them on the Internet. I know one in particular who made people think I was involved with him. Not so. 1
Tacenda Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 14 hours ago, USU78 said: It can keep little 90 year old guys from grabbing your gear by mistake. I've had little sleep, and I read this totally in an R rated way. I'm terrible.
jkwilliams Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Tacenda said: I've had little sleep, and I read this totally in an R rated way. I'm terrible. That's too funny!
ttribe Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 36 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I've had little sleep, and I read this totally in an R rated way. I'm terrible.
USU78 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 36 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I've had little sleep, and I read this totally in an R rated way. I'm terrible. Quote Definition of gear 1a : clothing, garments b : movable property : goods
Tacenda Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, USU78 said: It is the quote with invisable ink! Good one USU!!
Tacenda Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, ttribe said: This is a once in a lifetime deal! First standing ovation! I need less sleep more often.
ALarson Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 19 hours ago, jkwilliams said: In my experience it happens more often than you think. Of course, I’m just going by what I was told by temple workers in Houston, who suggested I get a padlock. My Dad was a veil supervisor at the Provo Temple for years. He told me there were many reported thefts while he was there, which surprised me to hear.
Robert F. Smith Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 8 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said: Nonsense!!! (Chill out, bro) A "rock hard policy" that is often ignored. I guess, since I don't live in Utah, I don't really care about Utah state law. I think a good, vocal reiteration of the policy would be very helpful in my neck of the woods. Sorry if you think that is nonsense. That policy is in the official LDS Handbook. I am well aware of the Cliven Bundys of the world who want to mix guns and religion. Jesus himself had to contend with zealots among his own followers. In fact I know of specific cases in which armed members of LDS congregations have nearly come to blows during sacrament meeting -- which they turned into a political free for all (ever been to Tyler, Texas?). Most of us know very well that this is not consonant with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and most of us are well aware that the Brethren do not give a wink and a nod to such evil.
Prof Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Tacenda said: I've had little sleep, and I read this totally in an R rated way. I'm terrible. For whatever reason, I can't hit the button to like this post. If I could, I surely would!!!!!
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