In the likeness of Adam

[theplains]

Moses 6:10 says, "And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after
his own image, and called his name Seth."

Of all the sons born to Adam, why is there only a reference to Seth being born after Adam's own likeness
and image?

Thanks,
Jim

[strappinglad]

Interesting question. We know of children who were said to be ' the spittin' image of ' their father. However, it takes time to develop sufficiently to see that resemblance. It would take about 20 years before anyone could say he looked just like his dad because Adam was created fully formed as an adult , no ?

[theplains]

13 hours ago, strappinglad said:

Interesting question. We know of children who were said to be ' the spittin' image of ' their father. However, it takes time to develop sufficiently to see that resemblance. It would take about 20 years before anyone could say he looked just like his dad because Adam was created fully formed as an adult , no ?

Following your line of thought ... how was Adam considered to be in the likeness/image of God when he
was created?   I believe that when you compare the passage of Seth and you compare with the creation of
Adam and Eve, the phrase 'image of' does not mean 'in the physical likeness of.'

Jim

[JAHS]

I think God could have said that for the other sons too, but chose to only say it about Seth.  There is a clear parallel here that Adam and man is in the physical likeness and image of God, just as Seth was in the physical image of his father. 

[strappinglad]

" image of" could means as little as " head, torso , 2 arms, 2 legs, fingers, toes , etc."  Not a snake or a bull. I'm not prepared to consider ' image of ' to be a metaphor for some esoteric essence of divine-ness .

[JLHPROF]

3 hours ago, JAHS said:

I think God could have said that for the other sons too, but chose to only say it about Seth.  There is a clear parallel here that Adam and man is in the physical likeness and image of God, just as Seth was in the physical image of his father. 

It is likely a type and shadow of God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ.

[CV75]

On 6/29/2018 at 5:48 PM, theplains said:

Moses 6:10 says, "And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after
his own image, and called his name Seth."

Of all the sons born to Adam, why is there only a reference to Seth being born after Adam's own likeness
and image?

Thanks,
Jim

In addition to what @JLHPROF wrote, it also shows that as Adam had agency in Eden and obtained moral agency after the Fall, Seth had agency as a child and attained moral agency as he grew up. Just as all of Adam’s posterity is known of God and redeemed, including those from before the Flood (Moses 5:10; 1 Peter 3:18-20), Seth’s posterity should be the chosen of the Lord and preserved unto the end of the earth as an instrument to bring this about (D&C 107:42-43).

[Josh Khinder]

On 6/29/2018 at 2:48 PM, theplains said:

Moses 6:10 says, "And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after
his own image, and called his name Seth."

Of all the sons born to Adam, why is there only a reference to Seth being born after Adam's own likeness
and image?

Thanks,
Jim

 

5 hours ago, strappinglad said:

" image of" could means as little as " head, torso , 2 arms, 2 legs, fingers, toes , etc."  Not a snake or a bull. I'm not prepared to consider ' image of ' to be a metaphor for some esoteric essence of divine-ness .

in the Nature of God our three separate and distinct persons, Father, son, and Holy Ghost 

in the nature of Adam our three separate and distinct parts, body, soul and spirit - plain and simple 

 

https://i.imgur.com/OuNNVSN.jpg

 

 

Edited July 1, 2018 by Josh Khinder

[Josh Khinder]

 

The Book of Mormon agrees 

2 Nephi 31:

21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God,   without end. Amen.

 

Alma 11:

44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but everything shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God,  to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.

 

 

Mormon 7:

7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God,  in a state of happiness which hath no end.

 

The Testimony of Three Witnesses

And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God.  Amen.

Oliver Cowdery

David Whitmer

Martin Harris

 

1 Nephi 13: 41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.

 

 

https://i.imgur.com/OuNNVSN.jpg

Edited July 1, 2018 by Josh Khinder

[JLHPROF]

9 minutes ago, Josh Khinder said:

https://i.imgur.com/OuNNVSN.jpg

 

Moses was additional Biblical material, Abraham a new revelation.  No surprise that Moses matches the Biblical usage despite the word being plural.

Also Eloheim is a plural word, Jehovah a singular, but both are used.

"An unlearned boy must give you a little Hebrew. Berosheit baurau Eloheim ait aushamayeen vehau auraits,rendered by King James' translators, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." I want to analyze the word Berosheit. Rosh,the head; Sheit, a grammatical termination, The Baith was not originally put there when the inspired man wrote it, but it has been since added by an old Jew. Baurau signifies to bring forth; Eloheim is from the word Eloi, God, in the singular number; and by adding the word heim, it renders it Gods. It read first, "In the beginning the head of the Gods brought forth the Gods," or, as others have translated it, "The head of the Gods called the Gods together."  If we pursue the Hebrew text further, it reads, "Berosheit baurau Eloheim ait aashamayeen vehau auraits"—"The head one of the Gods said. Let us make a man in our own image." I once asked a learned Jew, "If the Hebrew language compels us to render all words ending in heim in the plural, why not render the first Eloheim plural?" He replied, "That is the rule with few exceptions; but in this case it would ruin the Bible." He acknowledged I was right.  - Joseph Smith 

 

Edited July 1, 2018 by JLHPROF

[strappinglad]

The body and the spirit and the intelligence are 3 separate pieces that make up man. The soul is more of an umbrella word. Similarly a book is made of the cover the pages and the printed word.

[Josh Khinder]

1 hour ago, strappinglad said:

The body and the spirit and the intelligence are 3 separate pieces that make up man. The soul is more of an umbrella word. Similarly a book is made of the cover the pages and the printed word.

Don't see the word intelligence in the Bible or Book of Mormon in context with body and spirit 🤣

[strappinglad]

19 minutes ago, Josh Khinder said:

Don't see the word intelligence in the Bible or Book of Mormon in context with body and spirit 

That's why it's called revelation. BoA and D&C  and article of faith re revelation past present and future.

[Josh Khinder]

17 hours ago, strappinglad said:

That's why it's called revelation. BoA and D&C  and article of faith re revelation past present and future.

 

[Josh Khinder]

I thought the Book of Mormon contained the fullness ? 😃

 

Pearl Of Great Price

34 He said there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants;

 

 

Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”

Introduction of Book of Mormon

Our revelations say that the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of Gospel. { D&C 20:9, 27:5. 42:12, 135:3 } This is true in the sense that Book of Mormon is a record of God's dealings with a people who had the fulness of the gospel and therefore the laws and priciples leading to the highest salvation are found recorded in that book.

 

 

 The fullness consists in those laws, doctrines, ordnances, powers, and authorities needed to enable men to gain the fullness of salvation. Mormon Doctrine page 333

 

 D&C 20:

 9 Which contains a record of a fallen people, and the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles and to the Jews also;

 

 D&C 27:

 5 Behold, this is wisdom in me; wherefore, marvel not, for the hour cometh that I will drink of the fruit of the vine with you on the earth, and with Moroni, whom I have sent unto you to reveal the Book of Mormon, containing the fulness of my everlasting gospel, to whom I have committed the keys of the record of the stick of Ephraim;

 

 D&C 42:

 12 And again, the elders, priests and teachers of this church shall teach the principles of my gospel, which are in the Bible and the Book of Mormon, in the which is the fulness of the gospel.

 

 D&C 135:

 3 Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it. In the short space of twenty years, he has brought forth the Book of Mormon, which he translated by the gift and power of God, and has been the means of publishing it on two continents; has sent the fulness of the everlasting gospel, which it contained, to the four quarters of the earth;

[pogi]

2 hours ago, Josh Khinder said:

I thought the Book of Mormon contained the fullness ? 😃

 

Pearl Of Great Price

 

34 He said there was a book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He also said that the fulness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants;

 

 

 

 

 

Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”

 

Introduction of Book of Mormon

 

Our revelations say that the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of Gospel. { D&C 20:9, 27:5. 42:12, 135:3 } This is true in the sense that Book of Mormon is a record of God's dealings with a people who had the fulness of the gospel and therefore the laws and priciples leading to the highest salvation are found recorded in that book.

 

 

 

 

 

 The fullness consists in those laws, doctrines, ordnances, powers, and authorities needed to enable men to gain the fullness of salvation. Mormon Doctrine page 333

 

 

 

 D&C 20:

 

 9 Which contains a record of a fallen people, and the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles and to the Jews also;

 

 

 

 D&C 27:

 

 5 Behold, this is wisdom in me; wherefore, marvel not, for the hour cometh that I will drink of the fruit of the vine with you on the earth, and with Moroni, whom I have sent unto you to reveal the Book of Mormon, containing the fulness of my everlasting gospel, to whom I have committed the keys of the record of the stick of Ephraim;

 

 

 

 D&C 42:

 

 12 And again, the elders, priests and teachers of this church shall teach the principles of my gospel, which are in the Bible and the Book of Mormon, in the which is the fulness of the gospel.

 

 

 

 D&C 135:

 

 3 Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it. In the short space of twenty years, he has brought forth the Book of Mormon, which he translated by the gift and power of God, and has been the means of publishing it on two continents; has sent the fulness of the everlasting gospel, which it contained, to the four quarters of the earth;

 

https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Book_of_Mormon/Contains_the_fulness_of_the_gospel#Question:_How_can_the_Book_of_Mormon_contain_the_.22fulness_of_the_Gospel.22_if_it_does_not_speak_of_ordinances_such_as_baptism_for_the_dead_or_celestial_marriage.3F

[cinepro]

On 6/29/2018 at 2:48 PM, theplains said:

Moses 6:10 says, "And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after
his own image, and called his name Seth."

Of all the sons born to Adam, why is there only a reference to Seth being born after Adam's own likeness
and image?

Thanks,
Jim

Most of Adam and Eve's children were born to other pre-Adamic parents and adopted into their lineage.  Seth was natural-born to them, so he was genetically related.

[mfbukowski]

25 minutes ago, cinepro said:

Most of Adam and Eve's children were born to other pre-Adamic parents and adopted into their lineage.  Seth was natural-born to them, so he was genetically related.

REALLY Good answer, but it won't work for ALL those believing that paradigm.

Now you will get the pre - Adamite question. Can't win for losing.

This is scary. I'm actually starting to like you.  

 

Edited July 2, 2018 by mfbukowski

[Ahab]

On ‎6‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 2:48 PM, theplains said:

Moses 6:10 says, "And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after
his own image, and called his name Seth."

Of all the sons born to Adam, why is there only a reference to Seth being born after Adam's own likeness
and image?

Thanks,
Jim

I think Abel looked more like his Mom and Cain, well, he probably looked more like a mix of both of his mortal parents combined into 1 person.

I'm also thinking that Moses was the one that said Seth looked like his father, Adam.  Probably after he saw him while God 'our Eternal Father' was showing him a vision of all that had happened here on this Earth before he, Moses, was born, as a mortal.

[mfbukowski]

Just now, Ahab said:

I think Abel looked more like his Mom and Cain, well, he probably looked more like a mix of both of his mortal parents combined into 1 person.

I'm also thinking that Moses was the one that said Seth looked like his father, Adam.  Probably after he saw him while God 'our Eternal Father' was showing him a vision of all that had happened here on this Earth before he, Moses, was born, as a mortal.

Nah, I remember him well.

Definitely in the explicit image of his father

[Ahab]

28 minutes ago, cinepro said:

Most of Adam and Eve's children were born to other pre-Adamic parents and adopted into their lineage.  Seth was natural-born to them, so he was genetically related.

All of them, actually.  Every child that Adam and Eve had was previously a spirit son or daughter of God 'our Eternal Father' before being born  mortally through Adam and Eve or their descendants.  And all thus became genetically related to them as well.

I'll still give you 5 points for your answer, though, you little green man.

[Ahab]

7 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Nah, I remember him well.

Definitely in the explicit image of his father

Yeah I agree with what I think Moses said, too.  I was just trying to acknowledge who I think it was who was saying that Seth looked like his Father, Adam.

I bet all of their children were good looking, though.  Prime examples of our kind of being who we refer to as people.  And I think the general likenesses of both Adam and Eve continued for a very long time, several hundred years, I am thinking.

Looking at people in our day I think it's amazing that all of us came from the same 2 people, in the beginning.  Red and yellow, black and white, and even the little green guys among us all came from Adam and Eve when we, people, began to colonize this planet.

[cinepro]

20 hours ago, Ahab said:

All of them, actually.  Every child that Adam and Eve had was previously a spirit son or daughter of God 'our Eternal Father' before being born  mortally through Adam and Eve or their descendants.  And all thus became genetically related to them as well.

I'll still give you 5 points for your answer, though, you little green man.

What you're saying is only true on Sundays.  It's Tuesday, so I had the correct answer.

[Ahab]

8 minutes ago, cinepro said:

What you're saying is only true on Sundays.  It's Tuesday, so I had the correct answer.

Most is not all, which is why I gave you only 5 points out of a possible 10.  And yes you were correct.  Most is not wrong.  It just isn't complete.  Most is not all.

Come up with another 5 point response soon and I'll give you full credit for another rep point, equal to 10 of my points.