cinepro Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 The Church's Temple construction page shows pictures of Temples that are under construction or renovation. Oddly, the North Carolina Temple, built in 1998, was closed for "renovation", but the pictures show it being totally torn down and rebuilt. Does anyone know what happened? This is how it's described: Quote During the remodel, crews will upgrade the mechanical and electrical systems, make spaces ADA compliant, move windows and doors to accommodate minor floor plan changes, enclose the entrance canopy, and raise the height of the steeple by 10 feet. But this looks like more than a "remodel": https://ldschurchtemples.org/raleigh/construction/ 1
Hamba Tuhan Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 The exact same thing has been happening to the the Oklahoma City, Memphis, and Baton Rouge Temples, and I suspect it will be happening to the Asunción Temple as well. 2
readstoomuch Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 If they are small temples, they are efficient but have no room to move. Insufficient lockers or place for the workers. If there is a new remodel that enlarged and enhances, most that use them will appreciate it,
Hamba Tuhan Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 1 hour ago, readstoomuch said: If there is a new remodel that enlarged and enhances, most that use them will appreciate it, If you scroll down through the photos, the foundation and wall frames seem to be the same. I'm not seeing any enlarging, but it's possible the new floor plan will have better use of space somehow?
gopher Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 4 hours ago, cinepro said: The Church's Temple construction page shows pictures of Temples that are under construction or renovation. Oddly, the North Carolina Temple, built in 1998, was closed for "renovation", but the pictures show it being totally torn down and rebuilt. Does anyone know what happened? I was told several months ago they found mold in the temple so they shut it down 2
HappyJackWagon Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 2 hours ago, gopher said: I was told several months ago they found mold in the temple so they shut it down That's what I've been told as well. The granite or marble (whichever) that was used on a number of these small temples was particularly porous and mold developed in the stone which essentially required them to take it all down. In some cases the mold spread throughout the temple so they are basically rebuilding. 2
Duncan Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 Our current Temple was announced in Aug. of 1998 and dedicated in Nov. 1999, since then they have had to make several major adjustments, which I am not surprised given the speed as to which it was built. I think most if not all of the Pres. Hinckley Temples have had to undergo renovations in their short life span
JLHPROF Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 Maybe they didn't like the design. Look what they did to the Ogden temple. 1
Exiled Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 41 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said: That's what I've been told as well. The granite or marble (whichever) that was used on a number of these small temples was particularly porous and mold developed in the stone which essentially required them to take it all down. In some cases the mold spread throughout the temple so they are basically rebuilding. This construction defect cause makes the most sense.
JAHS Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 The 2010 Ogden Temple was also called a renovation, but it was pretty much torn down and rebuilt. 1
rongo Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 The Mesa temple will be out of commission for renovation for two years beginning in May. Two years seems like a long time for "renovation," especially since the inside looks spectacular (it was re-floored not too long ago). Might this old temple also be undergoing an extensive rebuild --- maybe with an eye towards future stability?
Duncan Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 Correct me if I a wrong but wasn't the Salt Lake Temple built out of granite? I know as you see pictures of that Temple in the 1940's to the 1950's it almost looks black in certain areas on the outside. I know that it underwent renovations and upgrades and things in the early 1960's but I am curious as to how they stave off mold and this blackening effect? The Temple today and since the early '60's doesn't have any black on the outside, whatever they did it seems to have worked!
HappyJackWagon Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Duncan said: Correct me if I a wrong but wasn't the Salt Lake Temple built out of granite? I know as you see pictures of that Temple in the 1940's to the 1950's it almost looks black in certain areas on the outside. I know that it underwent renovations and upgrades and things in the early 1960's but I am curious as to how they stave off mold and this blackening effect? The Temple today and since the early '60's doesn't have any black on the outside, whatever they did it seems to have worked! Most rock and brick will get dirty like this. I just had the brick and rock exterior of my office building cleaned. The white rock is no longer black. Everything looks great. After the cleaning, it was sealed (no pun intended) to keep it clean longer. But I'll need to have it cleaned again some day. 1
cinepro Posted April 3, 2018 Author Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Duncan said: Correct me if I a wrong but wasn't the Salt Lake Temple built out of granite? I know as you see pictures of that Temple in the 1940's to the 1950's it almost looks black in certain areas on the outside. I know that it underwent renovations and upgrades and things in the early 1960's but I am curious as to how they stave off mold and this blackening effect? The Temple today and since the early '60's doesn't have any black on the outside, whatever they did it seems to have worked! I'm pretty sure granite isn't porous (which is why it's so common for kitchen counters). This article has a lot of info about Temple refurbishments, but nothing about the spate of rebuilding for the recent Temples: LDS Church not just temple-building, but temple-renovating I didn't know about this! Quote During [the 1962 closure of the SLC Temple], a bomb exploded at the southeast entrance of the temple in the early hours of Nov. 14, 1962. Blamed on vandals, the explosion shattered the doors and a dozen windows, causing minor interior damage. Who bombed the Salt Lake Temple? Edited April 3, 2018 by cinepro 1
Duncan Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, cinepro said: I'm pretty sure granite isn't porous (which is why it's so common for kitchen counters). This article has a lot of info about Temple refurbishments, but nothing about the spate of rebuilding for the recent Temples: LDS Church not just temple-building, but temple-renovating I didn't know about this! Who bombed the Salt Lake Temple? yeah!! Crazy eh!!!!! I think it was on that blog or another that Pres. McKay called in Bishop Victor L. Brown and found out they didn't have all night security, which was immediately resolved! 1
bluebell Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 49 minutes ago, cinepro said: I'm pretty sure granite isn't porous (which is why it's so common for kitchen counters). This article has a lot of info about Temple refurbishments, but nothing about the spate of rebuilding for the recent Temples: LDS Church not just temple-building, but temple-renovating I didn't know about this! Who bombed the Salt Lake Temple? Actually granite is porous. It has to be sealed if it's being used as a counter top. 4
Calm Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, bluebell said: Actually granite is porous. It has to be sealed if it's being used as a counter top. By letting the sealing wear off and only deeply scrubbing some stains, we have a much more interesting countertop than the original rather overly consistent stone. Probably should start sealing to maintain a majority of light countertop now there is a nice variation of shading. 2
Duncan Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 I'm guessing with the SLC Temple they sealed it, which wasn't an option when they built it, hence the blackening look 1
Scott Lloyd Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Duncan said: Correct me if I a wrong but wasn't the Salt Lake Temple built out of granite? I know as you see pictures of that Temple in the 1940's to the 1950's it almost looks black in certain areas on the outside. I know that it underwent renovations and upgrades and things in the early 1960's but I am curious as to how they stave off mold and this blackening effect? The Temple today and since the early '60's doesn't have any black on the outside, whatever they did it seems to have worked! I remember hearing in my youth that they sandblasted the exterior walls. I remember clearly that whatever they did made quite a difference. The walls became gleaming white compared to what they had been before, and, as you point out they have remained so to this day. I don't know that the darkening was due to mold so much as a patina that came from natural weathering. 1
bluebell Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 34 minutes ago, Calm said: By letting the sealing wear off and only deeply scrubbing some stains, we have a much more interesting countertop than the original rather overly consistent stone. Probably should start sealing to maintain a majority of light countertop now there is a nice variation of shading. I know next to nothing about granite countertops, except that they say you should seal them once a year. I can image that not doing so would change the color some as different things became a part of the stone.
california boy Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said: I remember hearing in my youth that they sandblasted the exterior walls. I remember clearly that whatever they did made quite a difference. The walls became gleaming white compared to what they had been before, and, as you point out they have remained so to this day. I don't know that the darkening was due to mold so much as a patina that came from natural weathering. Most of the black on the outside of all stone buildings is from pollution, specifically auto exhaust. It seems like more cathedrals in Europe are under constant cleaning. Just about the time they are finished, it is time to start at the beginning again. 3
gopher Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 It is unfortunate. When it was announced that the DC Temple would be closed for two years and that members could choose between going to Philly or Raleigh during the closure, I think many more were excited about Raleigh. No offense to anyone from Philly. But your city smells bad and you have horrible traffic. 1
HappyJackWagon Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, gopher said: It is unfortunate. When it was announced that the DC Temple would be closed for two years and that members could choose between going to Philly or Raleigh during the closure, I think many more were excited about Raleigh. No offense to anyone from Philly. But your city smells bad and you have horrible traffic. I had to laugh at this. I read it as "Philly, you smell and you're a bunch of jerks." You're not totally wrong. But it's true that we get spoiled by having short distances to drive. We used to drive 4 hours to one of 3 temples. Now we have one 1 hour away. Going back to a 3-4 hour drive sounds realllllly rough.
strappinglad Posted April 3, 2018 Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) The Cardston Temple was renovated in 1990+/- . Part of the process was to clean/sandblast the exterior granite which had developed a lovely golden patina over the 70 years since construction. The cleaning made the walls a whitish-grey and it has taken about 20 years to get some of its " glory " back. One thing I didn't remember is that that temple is a National Historic site in Canada. It is unusual but not unique in that it has no spire or angel on the top and is built in the shape of a Maltese cross. The interior furnishings were designed by a student of Frank Lloyd Wright .I recognized the themes from looking at the various FLW homes in a book on him. And yes, I am shamelessly plugging one of my favorite temples. Had to edit my edited edit. Must be an age thing , eh Papa ? Edited April 3, 2018 by strappinglad 2
cinepro Posted April 3, 2018 Author Posted April 3, 2018 1 minute ago, strappinglad said: The Cardston Temple was renovated in 1990+/- . Part of the process was to clean/sandblast the exterior granite which had developed a lovely golden patina over the 70 years since construction. The cleaning made the walls a whitish-grey and it has taken about 20 years to get some of its " glory " back. One thing I didn't remember is that that temple is a National Historic site in Canada. It is unusual but not unique in that it has no spire or angel on the top and is built in that shape of a Maltese cross. The interior furnishings were designed by a student of Frank Lloyd Wright .I recognized the themes from looking at the various FLW homes in a book on him. And yes, I am shamelessly plugging one of my favorite temples. If you look at the Temples built during Heber J. Grant's administration, it's not shocking to learn he was a banker.
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