Resurrection Question

[HappyJackWagon]

My nutshell understanding of the resurrection is that the body and the spirit will be reunited in a perfected form. The level of glory of the perfected body will be dependent on the righteousness of the individual and their final judgment. Christ was the first fruit of the resurrection and all the righteous who died previous to his resurrection were then resurrected as well. Is it accurate to think that the reunion of the spirit and body is intended to be literal, as in the physical remains will be rejoined in a perfected form with the spirit? Or is the previous body (remains) really not a part of the resurrection?

[DispensatorMysteriorum]

Jesus Christ took up his actual body that he had in his mortality. Others were also resurrected at that time and their graves were opened. We will take up our actual remains. 

 

 

[ksfisher]

6 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said:

My nutshell understanding of the resurrection is that the body and the spirit will be reunited in a perfected form. The level of glory of the perfected body will be dependent on the righteousness of the individual and their final judgment. Christ was the first fruit of the resurrection and all the righteous who died previous to his resurrection were then resurrected as well. Is it accurate to think that the reunion of the spirit and body is intended to be literal, as in the physical remains will be rejoined in a perfected form with the spirit? Or is the previous body (remains) really not a part of the resurrection?

It really doesn't seem feasible or necessary for the atoms that literately made up my mortal body to be part of my resurrected body.  What if some of the atoms that make up my body now were part of someone elses body a couple thousand years ago? 

[HappyJackWagon]

1 minute ago, DispensatorMysteriorum said:

Jesus Christ took up his actual body that he had in his mortality. Others were also resurrected at that time and their graves were opened. We will take up our actual remains. 

 

 

What are we to make of the discovered remains of individuals, including children, who lived and died pre-Jesus?

[HappyJackWagon]

3 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

It really doesn't seem feasible or necessary for the atoms that literately made up my mortal body to be part of my resurrected body.  What if some of the atoms that make up my body now were part of someone elses body a couple thousand years ago? 

What about on a more basic level. Like would your skeletal remains become part of your perfected body if the skeleton is still in tact?

[ksfisher]

4 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said:

What about on a more basic level. Like would your skeletal remains become part of your perfected body if the skeleton is still in tact?

Why would it need to be?

And like I said, what is someones arm bone has decayed and grain was planted in that soil.  Then the grain is eaten by someone else and it becomes part of their arm bone. 

We are made from the dust (atoms, whatever you want to call it) of this earth.  I think a glorified, perfected, eternal body will be made of something else that is in the image of our mortal body. 

[pogi]

20 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said:

What are we to make of the discovered remains of individuals, including children, who lived and died pre-Jesus?

They were all wicked and did not take part in the first resurrection!

My real answer - it can’t be taken literally.  Our corporeal bodies are in a constant cycle of recycle.  I have shed 100% of every cell in my body multiple times over in my lifetime.  I have bodily remains all over the place, and if they all return to me in the resurrection, we will have a serious problem!  If a single hair of my head will literally not be lost, I will have the biggest birds nest afro anyone has ever seen!

Edited November 16, 2017 by pogi

[strappinglad]

There are a few Japanese people who will be playing " where's Waldo " for quite some time as they gather their remains. A Human body is relatively easy to create. There may be eternal elements to a body that are specific to each individual that can be used as a template. If the DNA code was recorded for each individual then it could be tweeked to be ' perfect ' and recreated . Getting  your actual original remains back just seems problematic seeing that a lot of people wouldn't want their old one back.

[CV75]

9 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said:

What are we to make of the discovered remains of individuals, including children, who lived and died pre-Jesus?

From 3 Nephi 23:9-13, we learn that many (not all) saints arose and ministered. Even if some of these many were children, that would leave many yet-to-be-resurrected children (and adults).

I think the books in heaven contain the formula for our bodies, which is based on the formula used in the flesh, which is based on the formula used in the pre-mortal spirit estate; that formula expresses eternal information. With such information, the possessor can control the elements and assign them a place with the spirit (D&C 93:33), whether those elements come from the actual mortal body (whether dead for minutes, days or millennia), from the elements of this Earth not directly associated with our mortal bodies, or from somewhere else, or whether these elements are exchanged and recycled from time to time as they are in mortal, physical bodies. The resurrected body could also be a single fundamental particle moving at such speed as quickened by the spirit that it appears to be and acts a solid, contiguous integration of many particles.

[Jeanne]

HJW...what do you mean when perfected depending on righteousness?  Are you talking perhaps about levels of glorification?  It was my understanding that our bodies would all be perfected..but where we were in glory..or after judgement was about what our bodies could or could not do.

[smac97]

1 hour ago, HappyJackWagon said:

My nutshell understanding of the resurrection is that the body and the spirit will be reunited in a perfected form.

Yes, that is my understanding as well.

1 hour ago, HappyJackWagon said:

The level of glory of the perfected body will be dependent on the righteousness of the individual and their final judgment.

I don't know about that.  

1 hour ago, HappyJackWagon said:

Christ was the first fruit of the resurrection and all the righteous who died previous to his resurrection were then resurrected as well.

Yes, that is my understanding as well.

1 hour ago, HappyJackWagon said:

Is it accurate to think that the reunion of the spirit and body is intended to be literal, as in the physical remains will be rejoined in a perfected form with the spirit? Or is the previous body (remains) really not a part of the resurrection?

I don't know about the particulars, but that seems to be what will happen.  The Savior's resurrection was clearly "literal" in the sense you describe here.

There's a bit of folklore about a Mormon farmer who observed a resurrection of a little girl.  Here's a link.  I can't vouch for it, but I don't dismiss it out-of-hand, either.  The story's depiction of the girl resurrecting as a girl rather than as a woman seems strange, but then the whole story is strange.

Thanks,

-Smac

[bluebell]

4 minutes ago, smac97 said:

There's a bit of folklore about a Mormon farmer who observed a resurrection of a little girl.  Here's a link.  I can't vouch for it, but I don't dismiss it out-of-hand, either.  The story's depiction of the girl resurrecting as a girl rather than as a woman seems strange, but then the whole story is strange.

Thanks,

-Smac

It fits in with other fringe mormon theology, such as the teaching that parents will get to raise the children that died young during the millennium.

[smac97]

38 minutes ago, bluebell said:

It fits in with other fringe mormon theology, such as the teaching that parents will get to raise the children that died young during the millennium.

I suppose.  I've never really understood that one, though it has apparently had some "mainstream" treatment.  See also here.  This also has some interesting stuff.

Thanks,

-Smac

[thesometimesaint]

2 hours ago, ksfisher said:

It really doesn't seem feasible or necessary for the atoms that literately made up my mortal body to be part of my resurrected body.  What if some of the atoms that make up my body now were part of someone elses body a couple thousand years ago? 

I believe God knows how to do it, even if we don't.

[Calm]

TSS,

So you believe God can not only duplicate matter in appearance (copies), but he can make it so something can be in more than one place at a time? 

[JLHPROF]

2 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said:

What are we to make of the discovered remains of individuals, including children, who lived and died pre-Jesus?

That they have yet to receive their resurrection.  Resurrection is an ordinance and is performed by a priesthood head, probably one with direct stewardship (familial relation).
I would think those remains would indicate that there is no resurrected person with stewardship over them to perform that ordinance for them yet.

[JLHPROF]

2 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said:

My nutshell understanding of the resurrection is that the body and the spirit will be reunited in a perfected form. The level of glory of the perfected body will be dependent on the righteousness of the individual and their final judgment. 

I think level of glory has as much to do with laws obeyed and accepted as personal goodness.
All the Terrestrial are the honorable men and women of the earth.  They just didn't live the laws and ordinances of God, or in other words did not accept of some truths.
The glory of God is intelligence, or in other words truth and light.  The glory received will be directly connected to the truth and light accepted AND lived up to.

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Christ was the first fruit of the resurrection and all the righteous who died previous to his resurrection were then resurrected as well. Is it accurate to think that the reunion of the spirit and body is intended to be literal, as in the physical remains will be rejoined in a perfected form with the spirit? Or is the previous body (remains) really not a part of the resurrection?

Scripture says not a hair of our head will be lost and that we will raise our bodies up as we lay them down.
How the mortal elements become the purified immortal elements of a resurrected body, and what happens to the dross has not been fully revealed, but I don't see any reason to doubt the scriptures on this.

[strappinglad]

The resurrection is currently on going , true? Christ went to preach to the spirits who had been in spirit prison at least since Noah's time. That would be several thousand earth years, who knows what time is like on the other side of the vale . I used to naively think that one died, spent a short time in paradise , and was resurrected. My PB , like many others I assume , contains the phrase ," blessed to come forth in the morning of the first resurrection. " That morning has been proceeding for 2000 years now. To me that implies a spirit will remain in the spirit world until all efforts to persuade it to come to Christ have been exhausted and the spirit has made a fully informed decision. Then comes a resurrection.

[Bernard Gui]

5 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said:

My nutshell understanding of the resurrection is that the body and the spirit will be reunited in a perfected form. The level of glory of the perfected body will be dependent on the righteousness of the individual and their final judgment. Christ was the first fruit of the resurrection and all the righteous who died previous to his resurrection were then resurrected as well. Is it accurate to think that the reunion of the spirit and body is intended to be literal, as in the physical remains will be rejoined in a perfected form with the spirit? Or is the previous body (remains) really not a part of the resurrection?

I think it was best explained by cowboy poet Wallace MacRae.

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http://www.uh.edu/~dsocs3/wisdom/wisdom/reincarnation

 

Edited November 17, 2017 by Bernard Gui

[strappinglad]

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[JAHS]

6 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said:

Is it accurate to think that the reunion of the spirit and body is intended to be literal, as in the physical remains will be rejoined in a perfected form with the spirit?

Yes. This. After His resurrection the body of Jesus was no longer in he tomb. When He appeared to the disciples they felt his physical body and he even ate some food and breathed on them.  Somehow our physical body is restored to its perfect frame.

 

[HappyJackWagon]

15 hours ago, JAHS said:

Yes. This. After His resurrection the body of Jesus was no longer in he tomb. When He appeared to the disciples they felt his physical body and he even ate some food and breathed on them.  Somehow our physical body is restored to its perfect frame.

 

So if our physical body is restored to its perfect frame, would we not assume our graves would be empty after we are resurrected?

[HappyJackWagon]

19 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

That they have yet to receive their resurrection.  Resurrection is an ordinance and is performed by a priesthood head, probably one with direct stewardship (familial relation).
I would think those remains would indicate that there is no resurrected person with stewardship over them to perform that ordinance for them yet.

I'm not familiar with this teaching. From my understanding, the keys of resurrection do not exist on the earth, therefore there wouldn't be any priesthood holder with the priesthood to call up his ancestors to the resurrection. I understood that once Christ was resurrected, all the righteous who had died previously, were also resurrected. Yet we have the issue of physical remains of those who died previously. It seems that we must either assume that the rejoining of the physical and spiritual bodies is not literal and that perhaps a completely new glorified body is created, or that those remains were not righteous enough to be resurrected yet. But if that's the case, I don't know how we would account for young children remains since they are automatically worthy. (under age

[Storm Rider]

22 hours ago, DispensatorMysteriorum said:

Jesus Christ took up his actual body that he had in his mortality. Others were also resurrected at that time and their graves were opened. We will take up our actual remains. 

It is my understanding that our resurrected bodies will appear as we are i.e. we will be recognized as ourselves.  However, it is not my understanding that our actual remains, the actual atoms that make up my body today will be used in this resurrected body.  We are splitting hairs and seeking a mystery without a degree of benefit.  We will be perfected through Jesus Christ - we cannot really define how that happens, but we have faith that we will.  When people say that not one hair will be lost (joyful for those who have already lost most of their hair) I tend to interpret that as saying we will be in the prime of mortal existence.  Said another way, we will each be at the peak of health and physical fitness.  I still am not comfortable with how I am describing this because the words are only defining a physical appearance when the spiritual is so much greater and more significant.  There will be a perfect union between body and spirit.

[Jeanne]

I wish we had answers..but in reading through this thread..we just don't know...we don't anything really.