Resurrection Question

[HappyJackWagon]

18 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Yeah, well, I figure once branded a criminal, I may as well run with it.

Maybe I will take as my new screen handle Jean Valjean.

 

Scott's gone rogue!!!

Kind of a mix between Valjean and James Dean

 

Edited November 21, 2017 by HappyJackWagon

[theplains]

On 20/11/2017 at 9:37 AM, HappyJackWagon said:

 

Jim, thanks for your response. There definitely seems to be disagreement about this issue.

IF the original body is resurrected and IF all the righteous who lived before Christ were resurrected after Christ, how would you explain the physical remains of Pre-Christ people, especially innocent (righteous) children? Wouldn't we expect their graves be empty and therefore no long have any remains to be found?

I don't have any reason to believe all those who died before Christ's time rose with Christ's
resurrection.  We know that some came out of their graves and appeared in Jerusalem.

Thanks,
Jim

[The Nehor]

On 11/20/2017 at 3:33 PM, Scott Lloyd said:

Yeah, well, I figure once branded a criminal, I may as well run with it.

Maybe I will take as my new screen handle Jean Valjean.

 

Can I be Javert?

[Stargazer]

22 hours ago, The Nehor said:

 

I love this film. The best work Val Kilmer has ever done.

[Stargazer]

I still have a problem with being resurrected in my current body: out of shape; overweight; back injury from my military service; gray hair (although I think it looks rather distinguished); and Attention Deficit Disorder.

You cannot be resurrected in your current body because it is mortal. If you are resurrected immortal, and in a perfect body, then you categorically did NOT get what you died in, or even, for crying out loud, what you had at age 30.  Is it your 18 year old body then?  Ridiculous.  Too many people take what is clearly figurative and insist upon literal.  

Stop being nonsensical. If you're in a perfect immortal body, without fault, then you don't get what you died in.  Regardless of what's in your tomb.  Regardless of whether whatever's in your tomb is still there or not after you get resurrected.  And what about the poor folks who got vaporized at Hiroshima and Nagasaki?  They were atomized, they don't have graves, just like all those buried at sea, or who got ate by lions, tigers and bears, Oh my!

[CV75]

40 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

I still have a problem with being resurrected in my current body: out of shape; overweight; back injury from my military service; gray hair (although I think it looks rather distinguished); and Attention Deficit Disorder.

You cannot be resurrected in your current body because it is mortal. If you are resurrected immortal, and in a perfect body, then you categorically did NOT get what you died in, or even, for crying out loud, what you had at age 30.  Is it your 18 year old body then?  Ridiculous.  Too many people take what is clearly figurative and insist upon literal.  

Stop being nonsensical. If you're in a perfect immortal body, without fault, then you don't get what you died in.  Regardless of what's in your tomb.  Regardless of whether whatever's in your tomb is still there or not after you get resurrected.  And what about the poor folks who got vaporized at Hiroshima and Nagasaki?  They were atomized, they don't have graves, just like all those buried at sea, or who got ate by lions, tigers and bears, Oh my!

Joseph Smith referred to the “fundamental principle belonging to a human system” and “the fundamental parts thereof” which are uniquely ours (History of the Church, 5:339). Brigham Young also referred to “the peculiar fundamental particles that organized our bodies here… [and that] will be brought together again in the twinkling of an eye, and our spirits will take possession of them.” (Discourses of Brigham Young, p.372). Joseph Fielding Smith called them “essential particles” that cannot be destroyed no matter how finely disintegrated the components of the mortal body become (Answers to Gospel Questions, 2:100) . So who knows what that is.

Perhaps this principle is a formula, that gets encoded in the particle that is connected to our spirit (D&C 93:33), which drives the mortal life force and the assembly of elements into living bodies according to the eternal information, or our spirits, found in heaven. The books in heaven would contain the formula which is transmitted and expressed in mortality through this particle that cannot be destroyed. In the resurrection, this single fundamental particle is quickened by the spirit that possesses it and thus reassembles the elements comprising our physical bodies according to the corresponding glory.

[Stargazer]

4 minutes ago, CV75 said:

Joseph Smith referred to the “fundamental principle belonging to a human system” and “the fundamental parts thereof” which are uniquely ours (History of the Church, 5:339). Brigham Young also referred to “the peculiar fundamental particles that organized our bodies here… [and that] will be brought together again in the twinkling of an eye, and our spirits will take possession of them.” (Discourses of Brigham Young, p.372). Joseph Fielding Smith called them “essential particles” that cannot be destroyed no matter how finely disintegrated the components of the mortal body become (Answers to Gospel Questions, 2:100) . So who knows what that is.

 

Perhaps this principle is a formula, that gets encoded in the particle that is connected to our spirit (D&C 93:33), which drives the mortal life force and the assembly of elements into living bodies according to the eternal information, or our spirits, found in heaven. The books in heaven would contain the formula which is transmitted and expressed in mortality through this particle that cannot be destroyed. In the resurrection, this single fundamental particle is quickened by the spirit that possesses it and thus reassembles the elements comprising our physical bodies according to the corresponding glory.

 

This actually resonates with me, due to the quantum mechanics aspect of the matter. But the question still remains: which of all the myriad molecules that have made up my body from conception until my death will be the ones ultimately incorporated in my resurrected body?  It can't be all of them. It has to be a selection. And what of those folks who were eaten by fellow humans, either through ritual cannibalism, inadvertent cannibalism, or necessary cannibalism?  "Hey! That's MY molecule! Give it back!"

I am content to let it happen as it happens. I just don't think we have the formula.  We don't, after all, need to know it.

[CV75]

8 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

This actually resonates with me, due to the quantum mechanics aspect of the matter. But the question still remains: which of all the myriad molecules that have made up my body from conception until my death will be the ones ultimately incorporated in my resurrected body?  It can't be all of them. It has to be a selection. And what of those folks who were eaten by fellow humans, either through ritual cannibalism, inadvertent cannibalism, or necessary cannibalism?  "Hey! That's MY molecule! Give it back!"

I am content to let it happen as it happens. I just don't think we have the formula.  We don't, after all, need to know it.

I'm thinking it is just one single particle that is called forth when "the the angel who holds the keys of the resurrection shall sound his trumpet," and not a molecule or the former molecules comprising our bodies at all.

Alma 11 speaks of the perfect form, the perfect frame, and the proper frame. In Alma 40 the term proper and perfect frame is used, and in Alma 41, proper order and natural frame. Where living things are organized spiritually before naturally or physically (Moses 3:5), these terms in reference to the resurrection seem to point to the restoration of the fundamental principle (i.e. form, frame, order) to do its thing in bringing element and spirit together.

I don't think the elements that are brought together in the resurrection necessarily need to be from this planet. The bodies quickened according to different glories may derive their elements from different places, which like the stones that the brother of Jared asked to be quickened by the Lord, tolerate the respective glories. It is said that beings partook of the elements of this world in order to produce Adam in his terrestrial (paradisaical) condition.

Edited November 22, 2017 by CV75

[mfbukowski]

On 11/20/2017 at 10:08 AM, Scott Lloyd said:

Well, it has only happened to me once before in about a decade-and-a-half of posting, and the reason for it wasn't clear to me then either. (Back then I hadn't realized that one could come onto the board as a guest and be able to read threads from which one had been banned). So while it may be a frequent (or "normal") occurrence for you, it's not for me.

And I never required "a full hearing before a tribunal," just a response to an honest, private inquiry. Or barring that, an indication on the thread itself of an offending post, if any. As kiwi pointed out on the thread after having scrutinized it to find a reason for my thread banning, there wasn't even the typical but cryptic "poster removed" anywhere to be found.

It was just because you are not good enough.

 

 

 

 

[Scott Lloyd]

10 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

It was just because you are not good enough.

 

 

 

 

I feel like an anti-Trump snowflake on election night 2016. I need a therapy puppy. 

Edited November 27, 2017 by Scott Lloyd