Johnnie Cake Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 56 minutes ago, bluebell said: It's nice of you to help him. He's certainly drowning on his own. haha...nice attempt to pivot attention from what you've already admitted, that you pay tithing on net-income instead of all-your- income...so why the consternation and push back? I say own it, wear it proudly...admit it to your bishop when you receive your temple recommended...and if he gives you any grief just tell him to kiss off...you've built an entire mental scaffolding in your mind to support your notion that you're a full tithe payer by gosh...so gosh darn it you are a full tithe payer (in your mind) no matter what he says...good on yeah mate, well done I say. Don't give in an inch in fact pay less. But it does create the question, if you've been successful in rationalizing that paying 8% rather than 10% is the same as paying a full 10%...why not just pay 7% or 5% or none for that matter and just call it a full tithe?
Johnnie Cake Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 13 hours ago, The Nehor said: Edit: Removed, I am done. I can probably win the insult war but it is like the old meme of playing checkers with a pigeon. Even when you win the pigeon just craps all over the board and struts around as if it won. No insults have been made, at least by me, remember I'm on your side, I support your partial tithe paying... no need to stoop to ad hominin...we're on the same team Nehor...and as strange as that might seem...it does make me happy
bluebell Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 24 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: haha...nice attempt to pivot attention from what you've already admitted, that you pay tithing on net-income instead of all-your- income...so why the consternation and push back? I say own it, wear it proudly...admit it to your bishop when you receive your temple recommended...and if he gives you any grief just tell him to kiss off...you've built an entire mental scaffolding in your mind to support your notion that you're a full tithe payer by gosh...so gosh darn it you are a full tithe payer (in your mind) no matter what he says...good on yeah mate, well done I say. Don't give in an inch in fact pay less. But it does create the question, if you've been successful in rationalizing that paying 8% rather than 10% is the same as paying a full 10%...why not just pay 7% or 5% or none for that matter and just call it a full tithe? Just trying to help keep you relevant. 1
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 6 hours ago, bluebell said: Just trying to help keep you relevant. You're a kind soul! Though I strongly suspect that the ability to actually read -- and comprehend! -- what is clearly taught on lds.org might also help some posters' relevance...
Scott Lloyd Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 8 hours ago, Rain said: I think this is a really good possibility. With my husband's newest job we don't get a paper pay stub like we did 3 years ago. I take care of the money and it is a pain sometimes because he has to go to his company's internal website on his company given computer to access the info, copy it and send it to me whenever the amount changes so I can see if something was a reimbursement for this or extra pay for that etc. I don't know if my 22 year old has ever seen a paystub. I can still view a paycheck stub whenever I want to. It's just a few mouse clicks away. And knowing the amount of one's gross income is still necessary for things like applying for credit.
Rain Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 18 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: I can still view a paycheck stub whenever I want to. It's just a few mouse clicks away. And knowing the amount of one's gross income is still necessary for things like applying for credit. Glad it's easy for you. Wish it were that easy for us. Knowing his gross yearly income is easy and we just don't apply for credit that often. Knowing his gross income even two weeks is another story, though most often it is the same. Knowing his net bi-weekly income is a piece of cake comparitively. But when you talk about people who get an hourly wage that is different every paycheck, like my son and many other millenials get, gross and net can be very different every paycheck and they won't know their yearly gross income to the end of year. 2
Jeanne Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 7 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: haha...nice attempt to pivot attention from what you've already admitted, that you pay tithing on net-income instead of all-your- income...so why the consternation and push back? I say own it, wear it proudly...admit it to your bishop when you receive your temple recommended...and if he gives you any grief just tell him to kiss off...you've built an entire mental scaffolding in your mind to support your notion that you're a full tithe payer by gosh...so gosh darn it you are a full tithe payer (in your mind) no matter what he says...good on yeah mate, well done I say. Don't give in an inch in fact pay less. But it does create the question, if you've been successful in rationalizing that paying 8% rather than 10% is the same as paying a full 10%...why not just pay 7% or 5% or none for that matter and just call it a full tithe? One of the dumbest questions I have ever asked was...Bishop, am I paying enough??? One salary...two kids trying to go to school...Bishop.am I paying enough?? Could kick myself in the patoot. 1
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 41 minutes ago, Jeanne said: One of the dumbest questions I have ever asked was...Bishop, am I paying enough??? It's a fine question; you were just asking the wrong person. Once again, from lds.org (emphasis added): Quote In other words, the way you define your income, and consequently your tithing, is a matter between you and the Lord. 4
Tacenda Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 I hesitate to post this, but it does seem interesting how the church changed from Joseph Smith's day to now. http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2012/12/are-we-paying-too-much-tithing.html 1
The Nehor Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 9 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: No insults have been made, at least by me, remember I'm on your side, I support your partial tithe paying... no need to stoop to ad hominin...we're on the same team Nehor...and as strange as that might seem...it does make me happy Huh, I told my bishop and he still agreed that I was a full tithe payer. The only one claiming I am a partial tithe payer is a semi-unhinged apostate who seems to have delusions that this heralds a mass exodus from the church and he finally will not be so lonely...... Kind of sad........ 2
Tacenda Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Huh, I told my bishop and he still agreed that I was a full tithe payer. The only one claiming I am a partial tithe payer is a semi-unhinged apostate who seems to have delusions that this heralds a mass exodus from the church and he finally will not be so lonely...... Kind of sad........ I know of someone that got their temple recommend and only paid on their increase. Edited January 6, 2017 by Tacenda
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: Kind of sad........ For some reason, I keep hearing the following monologue: 'Good. Your willingness to follow counsel to obtain personal revelation has made you vulnerable. Now, fulfil your destiny: take your place at my side!'
SteveO Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 11 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: haha...nice attempt to pivot attention from what you've already admitted, that you pay tithing on net-income instead of all-your- income...so why the consternation and push back? I say own it, wear it proudly...admit it to your bishop when you receive your temple recommended...and if he gives you any grief just tell him to kiss off...you've built an entire mental scaffolding in your mind to support your notion that you're a full tithe payer by gosh...so gosh darn it you are a full tithe payer (in your mind) no matter what he says...good on yeah mate, well done I say. Don't give in an inch in fact pay less. But it does create the question, if you've been successful in rationalizing that paying 8% rather than 10% is the same as paying a full 10%...why not just pay 7% or 5% or none for that matter and just call it a full tithe? You drink a jar of pickle juice to ring in the new year? You seem particularly eager on this thread and elsewhere to provoke on the "non issues"...
Teancum Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 On 1/3/2017 at 6:44 PM, JLHPROF said: Absolutely. Every person is responsible to pay tithing on their increase. That's like asking if your boss pays tithing on his business revenue (some do) do you still need to tithe your paycheck? Your boss likely deducted your salary and other business expenses from his gross revenue to arrive at net income which is his starting point to determine what he tithes on.
Calm Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Tacenda said: I hesitate to post this, but it does seem interesting how the church changed from Joseph Smith's day to now. http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2012/12/are-we-paying-too-much-tithing.html That is assuming Waterman gets his stuff right. The one thing I indepth researched he ignored quite a bit of not hard to find historical material to come to his conclusions.
Tacenda Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Calm said: That is assuming Waterman gets his stuff right. The one thing I indepth researched he ignored quite a bit of not hard to find historical material to come to his conclusions. Probably. But the quote how tithing changed after Joseph Smith passed away was interesting. But I understand our church is not stagnant and things do change. "Joseph Smith had not even been in his grave a month before the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles issued an edict declaring that instead of giving of their surplus, the Saints were to henceforth give "a tenth of all their property and money...and then let them continue to pay a tenth of their income from that time forth." There was no exemption for those who had already given all their surplus. The new rule was a tenth of everything right off the top." I don't know how true this quote is above. Edited January 6, 2017 by Tacenda
JLHPROF Posted January 6, 2017 Author Posted January 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Teancum said: Your boss likely deducted your salary and other business expenses from his gross revenue to arrive at net income which is his starting point to determine what he tithes on. Quite possibly. That's his decision on how to tithe against what he considers increase. I am responsible to tithe on what I consider increase (or preferably, on what the Lord considers increase).
SteveO Posted January 6, 2017 Posted January 6, 2017 4 hours ago, Tacenda said: Probably. But the quote how tithing changed after Joseph Smith passed away was interesting. But I understand our church is not stagnant and things do change. "Joseph Smith had not even been in his grave a month before the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles issued an edict declaring that instead of giving of their surplus, the Saints were to henceforth give "a tenth of all their property and money...and then let them continue to pay a tenth of their income from that time forth." There was no exemption for those who had already given all their surplus. The new rule was a tenth of everything right off the top." I don't know how true this quote is above. Can someone confirm this? Sorry but too many insults in prior posts. Closed.
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