Ordain Women Is Returning To Temple Square

[MorningStar]

Here is a new Facebook group describing OW's plans during General Conference.

 

I tried to copy and paste the text, but I'm having technical difficulties.   Anyone else have the ability to post it for those who aren't on Facebook?

[Calm]

Ordain Women is returning to Temple Square this Conference, October 3, 2015. We need your support! Starting 12:00 noon, we will engage in a guerrilla art action. In various locations around Temple Square, we will create vignettes using live participants, who will depict various times in Mormon history when women have had priesthood authority or exercised spiritual authority to perform blessings and other priesthood functions. These vignettes will remind our leaders that during the course of Mormon history, women have exercised much more authority than allowed today.

Starting at 4:00 pm, after the second session, the actors will again assemble in their vignettes. At the first vignette, we will begin a procession. All of us will walk together from vignette to vignette, asking these strong women of the past to join in procession. As a group, we will arrive at City Creek Park. The Artist Ginny Huo has designed a structure with a gate to which keys can be attached. One by one, we will symbolically attach a key, and pass through the gate. We will let Church leaders know that it is time that women be ordained and take their place as full equals with their brothers in the church.

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Then they ask for help and money.

Edited August 30, 2015 by calmoriah

[Calm]

Showing you have no respect for the concerns of an organization and its leadership, yeah, that is exactly how one demonstrates what a good leader one would be for those people.

Might work in a hostile takeover, not a merger no matter what they claim.

Edited August 30, 2015 by calmoriah

[rpn]

Do we really want to discuss this and give them air time?

[provoman]

Ordain Women is returning to Temple Square this Conference, October 3, 2015. We need your support! Starting 12:00 noon, we will engage in a guerrilla art action. In various locations around Temple Square, we will create vignettes using live participants, who will depict various times in Mormon history when women have had priesthood authority or exercised spiritual authority to perform blessings and other priesthood functions. These vignettes will remind our leaders that during the course of Mormon history, women have exercised much more authority than allowed today.

Starting at 4:00 pm, after the second session, the actors will again assemble in their vignettes. At the first vignette, we will begin a procession. All of us will walk together from vignette to vignette, asking these strong women of the past to join in procession. As a group, we will arrive at City Creek Park. The Artist Ginny Huo has designed a structure with a gate to which keys can be attached. One by one, we will symbolically attach a key, and pass through the gate. We will let Church leaders know that it is time that women be ordained and take their place as full equals with their brothers in the church.

You can help in three ways:

1. Be in Salt Lake City on October 3, 2015, and personally participate in this action. There will be all kinds of work to do, including being acting in vignettes, stage managing, crowd control, participating in the procession, the Keys action, socializing Saturday evening with OW friends, etc. We need as many as can possible make it in Salt Lake City.

2. For those who cannot personally participate in the Keys Action, please participate by proxy. We will be releasing more information about proxy participation in the near future.

3. We need your financial support to pay for the costs involved in this project. We will be launching a “Go Fund Me” campaign in September. Please donate to that campaign specifically, or click on the Donate button at ordainwomen

RSVP and let us know how you'd like to be involved here (this info will be confidential for planning purposes): https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1F1ewqsEVnD41rZEvK8AenCpMj_8o51dsfL5CRM9DH-Y/viewform?usp=send_form

For additional details, see our site: our-next-action

They would be better off not entering Temple Sqaure property. They would be better off as spontaneous vignettes on the public sidewalk. Carnac the Magnificent, say "Multiple arrests for trespassing. And general disinterest, couple with "boos" from those on Temple Square for Conference".

Edited August 30, 2015 by provoman

[Garden Girl]

They would be better off not entering Temple Sqaure property. They would be better off as spontaneous vignettes on the public sidewalk. Carnac the Magnificent, say "Multiple arrests for trespassing. And general disinterest, couple with "boos" from those on Temple Square for Conference".

 

It would be my hope that these women will exercise enough common sense and respect that they would not enter Temple Square property... if they choose to disregard the spiritual experience and reverence of Temple Square for conference visitors and families, many of whom may travel far distances to experience conf and Temple Square, it is my hope that security forces will be employed to prevent such "vignettes" on Church property...  If they choose to selfishly try and do this in Temple Square, any sympathy or feeling I may have felt will vanish... (I don't agree with anything this group does, but I can't help what they get a permit for on public property). 

 

GG

Edited August 30, 2015 by Garden Girl

[Calm]

If they choose to selfishly try and do this in Temple Square, any sympathy or feeling I may have felt will vanish...

 

I would think even those who might have sympathy with the attempt to enter the Priesthood Session will find this too disconnected and out of place and time that this will happen with many.

[Vance]

Oh, bless their hearts.

[The Nehor]

Well, I guess everyone needs a hobby.

[CV75]

sneak preview of the first vignette;

[bluebell]

I really don't get this idea.  The only people who are going to understand what is going on will be those who are actually following them around (so, generally supporters).  It doesn't seem like it would make sense at all to people walking by.

[carbon dioxide]

We will let Church leaders know that it is time that women be ordained and take their place as full equals with their brothers in the church.

 

I love it how people have the gall to declare that it is time to ordain woman.  God does not even get a say in the matter.

[Russell C McGregor]

I love it how people have the gall to declare that it is time to ordain woman.  God does not even get a say in the matter.

 

All gall is divided into three parts...

[carbon dioxide]

I support the ordination of my two females dogs before these women from OW are ordained.

 

You have been ordained to thread ban.  Don't make disparaging comments like this or you will be banned from more than one thread. -Ares

Edited August 31, 2015 by Ares

[readstoomuch]

Didn`t the Church ask them "nicely" to not demonstrate a second time, but they did any way.  A representative for the Church came and met each one of them and was very nice.  Now they are pushing for a third demonstration.  I think there has to be security or it may have to be the local police so that someone besides the Church gets to be the bad guy.  They are going to have to be escorted off of the property.  Then they can claim ecclesiastical abuse in City Park afterwards.  

 

The final question will be whether my daughter will be there with them causing problems.

[juliann]

I support the ordination of my two females dogs before these women from OW are ordained.

Yes, let's compare women to dogs. That will show them! Disgusting.

[juliann]

They would be better off not entering Temple Sqaure property. They would be better off as spontaneous vignettes on the public sidewalk. Carnac the Magnificent, say "Multiple arrests for trespassing. And general disinterest, couple with "boos" from those on Temple Square for Conference".

Can they be arrested for trespassing?

 

I had wondered if they would change their tactics under different leadership in an effort to reinvent a tarnished brand. Apparently not.

[webbles]

Ordain Women is returning to Temple Square this Conference, October 3, 2015. We need your support! Starting 12:00 noon, we will engage in a guerrilla art action. In various locations around Temple Square, we will create vignettes using live participants, who will depict various times in Mormon history when women have had priesthood authority or exercised spiritual authority to perform blessings and other priesthood functions. These vignettes will remind our leaders that during the course of Mormon history, women have exercised much more authority than allowed today.

Starting at 4:00 pm, after the second session, the actors will again assemble in their vignettes. At the first vignette, we will begin a procession. All of us will walk together from vignette to vignette, asking these strong women of the past to join in procession. As a group, we will arrive at City Creek Park. The Artist Ginny Huo has designed a structure with a gate to which keys can be attached. One by one, we will symbolically attach a key, and pass through the gate. We will let Church leaders know that it is time that women be ordained and take their place as full equals with their brothers in the church.

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Then they ask for help and money.

Any idea what the vignettes are?  I'm curious enough to go and see what they are going to portray.

[readstoomuch]

Any idea what the vignettes are?  I'm curious enough to go and see what they are going to portray.

If you go to the website, the picture shows a woman blessing someone who was sick.  The vignettes are going to show when women were exercising authority and priesthood power in the Mormon past.  

[webbles]

If you go to the website, the picture shows a woman blessing someone who was sick.  The vignettes are going to show when women were exercising authority and priesthood power in the Mormon past.  

I got that.  I was wondering if they were going to show actual events and if so, what are the actual events?  If it is just vignettes of possible uses of authority that might have occurred in the past, then I'm not all that interested.

[readstoomuch]

I'm not sure, though I would be interested in reading where they are supposed to be coming from in our history.  

[JAHS]

Ordain Women is returning to Temple Square this Conference, October 3, 2015. We need your support! Starting 12:00 noon, we will engage in a guerrilla art action. In various locations around Temple Square, we will create vignettes using live participants, who will depict various times in Mormon history when women have had priesthood authority or exercised spiritual authority to perform blessings and other priesthood functions. These vignettes will remind our leaders that during the course of Mormon history, women have exercised much more authority than allowed today.

Starting at 4:00 pm, after the second session, the actors will again assemble in their vignettes. At the first vignette, we will begin a procession. All of us will walk together from vignette to vignette, asking these strong women of the past to join in procession. As a group, we will arrive at City Creek Park. The Artist Ginny Huo has designed a structure with a gate to which keys can be attached. One by one, we will symbolically attach a key, and pass through the gate. We will let Church leaders know that it is time that women be ordained and take their place as full equals with their brothers in the church.

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Then they ask for help and money.

 

Oh my.... I thought you just made all this up as a joke.......... and then I clicked on the link.    

Edited August 31, 2015 by JAHS

[MorningStar]

Oh my.... I though you just made all this up as a joke.......... and then I clicked on the link.    

 

It does sound like a joke.  And I'm just remembering the women who dressed up as Joseph Smith's wives and protested by one of the pageants years ago and blamed the church because they peed their pants.  They weren't allowed on the grounds because they were protesting. 

[Calm]

Can they be arrested for trespassing?

Yes, since they are apparently not going to be in the designated areas for demonstrators, you have to get city permissions for that and there was no mention to them.  Temple Square is private property.  There were two men arrested though the case was dismissed awhile back when they started kissing.  IIRC Security showed up and the story is there was some aggression on their part which they denied and then the cops showed up and took over.  The policemen were complimented by the gay community for how they treated the situation which is interesting in that one of those cops was the one who later resigned when he was suspended for asking to switch off the motorcycle squad for the gay pride parade....and now I am off topic so will stop on that.

 

They haven't gotten arrested either time they protested though I am pretty sure they could have.  I am wondering if they are pushing the boundaries in hope of being arrested this time in order to perk up media interest.

[Calm]

It does sound like a joke.  And I'm just remembering the women who dressed up as Joseph Smith's wives and protested by one of the pageants years ago and blamed the church because they peed their pants.  They weren't allowed on the grounds because they were protesting. 

Manti Pageant iirc.  I think they've spread the tradition to additional pageants though.

 

And don't forget they caused problems the previous year because they insisted on all going to use the restrooms provided on the private grounds by the Church at the same time and caused major backup for the actual attendees.  Those long dresses and petticoats really slowed things down.

 

It seems the height of arrogance to go protest an event and then use the possessions of those who are running the event for one's own personal comfort.  Bring your own portapotty, women!

Edited August 31, 2015 by calmoriah