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I know of Bro. Staley's failings from almost 10 years ago, I have for months. So he is imperfect, so what? He is still a good. level-headed teacher.

If I was judged now, for my failings from 10 years ago, I would be up a creek also.

I believe God will use his confinement to refine him and work a miracle of changed lives in whatever penitentiary he is assigned to. Lives will be changed through his ministry.

 

Now we find the guy warning about the Gadiantons defending the Gadiantons and even arguing that they are morally upstanding people who just made a few mistakes ruining people's lives.

 

This thread is amazing and I hope it continues.

 

 

 

 

P.S. Yeah, the guy can repent but he didn't for years and arguing that he will because you like something he says is a very pathetic bias. One would think that someone who committed massive fraud and now is repenting would dedicate their life to repaying those they robbed so they can be forgiven instead of ignorantly prognosticating about the end of the world and selling it to the world for gain and glory. 

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He's opining on matters of science with no background in science, and he's trying to tie it into his religious millenarianism. There's nothing level-headed about that. Noting he's a convicted fraud isn't judging an "imperfection." It ought to be a huge red flag to anyone who is inclined to believe his stuff. I'm reminded of the lady who said people always want to talk about Jim Jones's causing mass suicide but never want to talk about the good things he did for his people.

 

Seriously, if you are willing to excuse someone perpetrating a multimillion-dollar fraud, I don't know what to say. You're obviously a religious seeker, but it might be worth taking a look at the folks you are looking to in your quest.

I believe people can repent and change, whether or not I agree with their positions on theology or politics. A decade is a long time. But by all means judge away, because clearly you have all the facts in your possession.

Just when I start enjoying this board again, I run into this kind of crap.

ugh.

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By gathering surrounding matter.  That's what black holes do.  Now I am not a physicist but from what little I have read there is no consensus, even among physicists, about what would happen.

 

Gravity is relative to the mass of the matter in question. A quantum black hole has an infinitesimal mass. It would not gather in matter. You and I make better mass gatherers then a quantum black hole and neither of us have destroyed the earth yet....well, at least I haven't.

 

Yes, we do not know everything about what these theoretical things can do. That is why we are doing the experiment. We want to find out. We do have a pretty good idea of what will not happen though. This scare is like trying a new experimental drug on a mouse and people screaming "What if the drug makes the mouse turn into an invincible 500 foot monster and it kills us all?"

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I believe people can repent and change, whether or not I agree with their positions on theology or politics. A decade is a long time. But by all means judge away, because clearly you have all the facts in your possession.

Just when I start enjoying this board again, I run into this kind of crap.

ugh.

 

I don't have to judge. A judge and jury did that.

 

Good heavens! If you're going to link to speculative, non-scientific stuff intended to spark religious fear, you should probably tell your audience that the author of such stuff was just convicted of fraud. Instead, you tell me I'm being judgmental for pointing this out.

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Now we find the guy warning about the Gadiantons defending the Gadiantons and even arguing that they are morally upstanding people who just made a few mistakes ruining people's lives.

 

This thread is amazing and I hope it continues.

 

P.S. Yeah, the guy can repent but he didn't for years and arguing that he will because you like something he says is a very pathetic bias. One would think that someone who committed massive fraud and now is repenting would dedicate their life to repaying those they robbed so they can be forgiven instead of ignorantly prognosticating about the end of the world and selling it to the world for gain and glory. 

 

He didn't actually admit any guilt whatsoever until his sentencing, which was 2 days ago. How is that evidence of repentance? 

 

In all seriousness, how does one get to the point at which one's hunger for spiritual or religious insight causes one to overlook massive fraud? I don't understand.

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I must say he's got a pretty good gig there in St. Louis. He earns $127,000 a year and lives, rent-free, in a house valued at over $1,000,000. Of course, living off the credulity of others is not something I could do.

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Moderators:

As this topic has devolved into a discussion of a person failings from 10 years previous, and not the context of the subject, I would kindly ask that the topic be closed. I would do so myself, but I haven't reached the super-duper contributor level yet.

Thank you.

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Moderators:

As this topic has devolved into a discussion of a person failings from 10 years previous, and not the context of the subject, I would kindly ask that the topic be closed. I would do so myself, but I haven't reached the super-duper contributor level yet.

Thank you.

 

So, the credibility of your source is off-limits? Good to know.

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Before this gets closed I took off my tin hat now, whew!!  Now I'm going to mow my lawn...life goes on.  But for the OP, it is a good wake up call, no doubt, to prepare for the Second Coming.  I don't do it often enough, so thank you!  :)

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Before this gets closed I took off my tin hat now, whew!!  Now I'm going to mow my lawn...life goes on.  But for the OP, it is a good wake up call, no doubt, to prepare for the Second Coming.  I don't do it often enough, so thank you!  :)

 

Chances are, the Second Coming will happen for each of us when we die, and not before. I find it much better to live my life such that I will be ready when that day comes than to worry about all the extraneous stuff. If I have a basement full of supplies and guns, it is of no value if I haven't taken the time to love and serve my neighbor.

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The Illuminati is a myth, a kind of God stand-in for atheists. It is both scary and comforting. Scary because or their power but comforting because some intelligent group of humans out there have a plan and are capable of methodically and successfully carrying it out. It is also all bunk. Humans are not that smart and suck at keeping conspiracies secret.

There was a book published about a decade ago about the psychology of conspiracies (wish I could remember the title, so I could give proper atribution).  In the book, the authors offer a general rule of conspiracies -- the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is true.  In other words; the more people involved, the more likely one of them will spill the beans.

 

Just ask Nixon.

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There was a book published about a decade ago about the psychology of conspiracies (wish I could remember the title, so I could give proper atribution).  In the book, the authors offer a general rule of conspiracies -- the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is true.  In other words; the more people involved, the more likely one of them will spill the beans.

 

Just ask Nixon.

This is only a couple of year old,

 

"The United States Of Paranoia". by Jesse Walker.

 

http://www.amazon.com/United-States-Paranoia-Conspiracy-Theory/dp/0062135562/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440183372&sr=8-1&keywords=the+united+states+of+paranoia

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I believe people can repent and change, whether or not I agree with their positions on theology or politics. A decade is a long time. But by all means judge away, because clearly you have all the facts in your possession.

Just when I start enjoying this board again, I run into this kind of crap.

ugh.

Believing they can repent is a far cry from letting yourself be taken in by their continued fraud. If someone pointing that out ruins the thread for you, reading fantasy/sci fi might work better for you.
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Believing they can repent is a far cry from letting yourself be taken in by their continued fraud. If someone pointing that out ruins the thread for you, reading fantasy/sci fi might work better for you.

What the hell does that have to do with what Jim teaches? Have you watched a single f'n video from Passion for Truth Ministries? You might want to actually know what you are talking about before opining.

I don't give 2 sh*ts about what he did 10 years ago, it has nothing to do with his teachings right now. Just like Joseph supposedly sleeping with 14 year-old girls and married women has nothing to do with the Book of Mormon.

I care about TRUTH, not personalities. What the hell do you people not get?

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Chances are, the Second Coming will happen for each of us when we die, and not before. I find it much better to live my life such that I will be ready when that day comes than to worry about all the extraneous stuff. If I have a basement full of supplies and guns, it is of no value if I haven't taken the time to love and serve my neighbor.

Plus your neighbor maybe won't kill you for your stuff if you've been nice- no promises tho. :)))))))))))))))))))

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What the hell does that have to do with what Jim teaches? Have you watched a single f'n video from Passion for Truth Ministries? You might want to actually know what you are talking about before opining.

I don't give 2 sh*ts about what he did 10 years ago, it has nothing to do with his teachings right now. Just like Joseph supposedly sleeping with 14 year-old girls and married women has nothing to do with the Book of Mormon.

I care about TRUTH, not personalities. What the hell do you people not get?

Got it. You take a man's word without investigating to see if his word is woth anything. My 2 cents? Not a good idea.

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Got it. You take a man's word without investigating to see if his word is woth anything. My 2 cents? Not a good idea.

Shut up. I have actually watched his videos and seen what he teaches. What he did 10 years ago has no bearing on truth he may be teaching now.

To dismiss the truth in someone's message by their past failings is idiotic.

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