What think ye of the Book of Daniel?
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1. How do you consider to the OT Book of Daniel in its current form?
Historical fiction like mainstream scholarly consensus concludes.0
Important inspired prophesy that should be taken very seriously.
Never really thought about it and why should I care.0
Found little value in it up till now.0
Other. Please elaborate...0
2. If significant value and applicability could be demonstrated, would you change your current position on the book of Daniel?
3. Can the the Book of Daniel shed light on Revelation and other apocalyptic scripture and visa versa?
Yes, substantially. Please elaborate, if so inclined.
No, not significantly.0
Doubtful, too much speculation on the subject of apocalyptic prophesy already exists.0
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By Bernard Gui
Others have probably already noted this, but here I compare 2 Nephi 26:1-8 (Nephi’s prophecy of the destruction that would follow the death of Jesus) with Mormon’s documentation of its fulfillment in 3 Nephi 8-10, including a review of the events in the words of Jesus. Mormon notes that this was the fulfillment of the words of the prophets in their scriptures (3 Nephi 10:11).
I think the consistency in the details is remarkable considering the separation in time and text between the two accounts in the translation process. In some cases the words and order of events are exactly the same. Considering the fact that Joseph did not ask his scribes to review or reread passages to refresh his memory makes this even more intriguing.
If someone else has already written about this, I would like to look at it for comparison, but I am not aware that anyone has. Of course, I welcome your comments. Have at me!
Calamities prophesied by Nephi (2 Nephi 26:1-8, in textual order):
A. the proud and wicked shall be burned up like stubble
B. they will be swallowed up by the depths of the earth [by implication, also the sea]
C. the mountains shall cover them
D. whirlwinds will carry them away
E. buildings shall fall on them, crush them to pieces, and grind them to powder
I. all manner of destructions
Calamities documented by Mormon (3 Nephi 8-10 in textual order and compared with Nephi’s order):
F. G. I. a great storm like no other previous storm
F. G. I. a terrible tempest
F. terrible thunder
G. sharp lightening
A. cities set on fire
B. cities sunk into the sea
C. cities sunk and covered by earth and mountains
F. G. I. tempests
H. quaking of the earth
A. B. C. E. F. H. cities sunk, burned, shaken
E. buildings fall to the earth and inhabitants killed
I. many great destructions
The voice of Jesus before His appearance to the Nephites explaining the destruction of the wicked (3 Nephi 9:1-12) compared with Nephi and Mormon’s lists:
- those who perished did so because of their wickedness and abomination (casting out, stoning, and killing the saints and prophets)
-the blood of the prophets cried out to Him against them
-A. cities and inhabitants were burned by fire
-B. cities and inhabitants were sunk into the sea
-C. cities and inhabitants were covered with earth
-B. I. cities and inhabitants were flooded
-I. there were other great destructions
Mormon's (3 Nephi 10:12-14) instructions to the Nephites that the righteous who were saved:
-B. C. were not sunken and buried in the earth
- I. were not drowned in the sea
-A. were not burned by fire
-C. E. were not fallen upon and crushed to death
-D. were not carried away in the whirlwind
-I. were not overpowered by the vapor of smoke and darkness [suffocated]
Other similar details between 2 Nephi 26 and Mormon 3 Nephi 8-10:
-1. the wicked will perish because they will cast out, stone, and slay the saints and prophets
-2. The blood of the saints will cry to the Lord against the wicked
-3. the righteous will not perish
-4. Christ will apear to them after the destruction
-5. Christ shall heal them
-6. They will have peace for three and four generations, but then will come unparalleled destruction
-1. the righteous who were saved did not cast out, stone, or shed the blood of the prophets
-2. the blood of the saints and prophets came up to the Lord
-3. the righteous did not perish
-4. Jesus appeared to the people after this great destruction
-5. Jesus healed and taught them
-6. They had peace for three and four generations, but then came unparalleled destruction
In review, Mormon asks the reader to search the scriptures to see if these things were not also predicted by the prophets Jacob, Zenos, and Zenock (3 Nephi 10:14-17):
-death and destruction by fire, tempests, whirlwind, and opening of the earth
The prophecy actually says that war shall be poured out upon all nations, starting in South Carolina. That did not happen.
And that is exactly what happened, , beginning with the war that started in South Carolina.
The technology and tactics developed in the Civil War made a world war possible == using railroads for logistics and troop movement, air war (beginning with observation balloons), trench warfare, iron sided warships, submarines, Sherman's march (the first time civilians were directly attacked)
Now that I have had a day to calm done and think, I would like to apologize for becoming heated, and discuss what I believe was behind my becoming upset.
It seems when eschatology is brought up among LDS, that they mock and guffaw at the ideas of people who are trying to tie last days events with scriptural prophecy, seeming to be content dismissing other's sincere ideas with offering any alternative view.
So my questions are:
Do LDS have a cohesive and comprehensive view of eschatology?
If so, what are those?
What alternative ideas can you offer to those who's views you just dismissed as crazy?
I am hoping there will be a few interested in this topic...
Jim Staley is a good, level-headed, teacher, and I would enourage you to watch the whole presentation- but I want to focus in on CERN. His comments on CERN begin at about the 19:10 mark.
As LDS we believe that God doesn't use magic, but higher laws of science in doing that thing He does. Is it possible that if man, through applied science, is able to "tap into" the dark dimension, that the LORD would allow it because they have sought it- and that CERN could possibly play a part in releasing captive demons for a pre-Second coming battle, that would cause total and utter chaos?
Was the commanded/prophesied temple spoken of in D&C 115 retracted anywhere in scripture? I know some people try to apply D&C 124:51 as an answer. To my understanding though, Far West was not in Jackson County at the time in question?