Cern And The Latter Days

[BookofMormonLuvr]

Anyone who says I just believe without investigating doesn't know me at all, and is an utter imbecile. All I do is study, and mediate over theological issues. It is probably more of a distraction in my life than it should be.

[The Nehor]

What the hell does that have to do with what Jim teaches? Have you watched a single f'n video from Passion for Truth Ministries? You might want to actually know what you are talking about before opining.

 

I did watch a little bit. Its the standard between the lines reading of Daniel and Revelation that have been predicting major events since they were written. The prophets have not spoken on them. The church as a whole only kind of understands them. But.....this guy.....without the Gift of the Holy Ghost who runs the standard money-making internet church and defrauds people....this is the one God has chosen as his mouthpiece to reveal that something is happening next month.

 

I care about TRUTH, not personalities. What the hell do you people not get?

 

I don't get how people can be so gullible as to believe that that drek is the truth or trust a fraudster claiming divine insight while covering up flagrant sins that ruined peoples lives and has not show any penitence until caught.

 

I guess you could say I care about truth and personality.

[cynth]

Shut up. I have actually watched his videos and seen what he teaches. What he did 10 years ago has no bearing on truth he may be teaching now.

To dismiss the truth in someone's message by their past failings is idiotic.

Ok. I feel to accept a person's message without investigating the situation is immature and thoughtless. We agree to disagree.

mods, in my opinion we don't need to close a thread b/c people disagree.

[The Nehor]

Anyone who says I just believe without investigating doesn't know me at all, and is an utter imbecile. All I do is study, and mediate over theological issues. It is probably more of a distraction in my life than it should be.

 

You could probably say the same about this guy:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Miller_(preacher)

[jkwilliams]

Shut up. I have actually watched his videos and seen what he teaches. What he did 10 years ago has no bearing on truth he may be teaching now.

To dismiss the truth in someone's message by their past failings is idiotic.

 

You asked us to have an open mind, and my mind was open enough to listen to what he had to say. Well, as I said, I dismiss his message because it's not based on anything other than an esoteric interpretation of scripture. That he just got sentenced to 7 years in prison for fraud is absolutely relevant to what he's teaching. That you don't think it's relevant is, well, irrelevant.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

What the hell does that have to do with what Jim teaches? Have you watched a single f'n video from Passion for Truth Ministries? You might want to actually know what you are talking about before opining.

I don't give 2 sh*ts about what he did 10 years ago, it has nothing to do with his teachings right now. Just like Joseph supposedly sleeping with 14 year-old girls and married women has nothing to do with the Book of Mormon.

I care about TRUTH, not personalities. What the hell do you people not get?

If nothing else I am loving the passion. I feel this same way sometimes. BTW this is not meant or directed to anyone on this board.

[BookofMormonLuvr]

Ok. I feel to accept a person's message without investigating the situation is immature and thoughtless. We agree to disagree.

mods, in my opinion we don't need to close a thread b/c people disagree.

What the hell are you even talking about? 

The whole damn topic is about investigating the possibilities brought up about CERN.

I want the topic closed because people are attacking the person and not really addressing the topic. NOT because we disagree.

My head is going to explode.

[jkwilliams]

What the hell are you even talking about? 

The whole damn topic is about investigating the possibilities brought up about CERN.

I want the topic closed because people are attacking the person and not really addressing the topic. NOT because we disagree.

My head is going to explode.

 

I think people did discuss the possibilities, and several people have pointed out that the scenario Staley outlined can't happen because of the lack of mass involved. 

[The Nehor]

What the hell are you even talking about? 

The whole damn topic is about investigating the possibilities brought up about CERN.

Which have already been answered by myself and others here in this thread and answered by others much more informed more comprehensively elsewhere.

Look, I am kind of sympathetic. On my mission I sat down with Daniel, Ezekiel, Revelation, and a few other books both biblical and not and used my study time to calculate the date of the Second Coming. I do not remember the exact date (and I even had the time) now but it was September of 2012 iirc and it did not happen. Even when I figured it out I had a healthy dose of skepticism about it and a sense of humor about it. My district put up a doomsday clock in our missionary house.

CERN is not a threat. The concern is about a lot of theories mixed up that have little to nothing to do with what CERN is doing. There is a similar experiment we could try along similar concepts that could theoretically destroy the Universe if we are right but it would require a collider larger then the earth to try and no one really wants to destroy the Universe and, if they do, they can't afford it anyways.

[The Nehor]

My head is going to explode.

If your head does spontaneously explode I will ask them to cancel the CERN tests as physics in general is getting too unpredictable and unstable to mess with.

[KevinG]

There is a similar experiment we could try along similar concepts that could theoretically destroy the Universe if we are right but it would require a collider larger then the earth to try and no one really wants to destroy the Universe and, if they do, they can't afford it anyways.

 

[ERayR]

CERN is not a threat. The concern is about a lot of theories mixed up that have little to nothing to do with what CERN is doing. There is a similar experiment we could try along similar concepts that could theoretically destroy the Universe if we are right but it would require a collider larger then the earth to try and no one really wants to destroy the Universe and, if they do, they can't afford it anyways.

 

Okay I will believe you but I'm still going to worry.  Just my nature.

[The Nehor]

Okay I will believe you but I'm still going to worry.  Just my nature.

Redirect that worry to your commute. It is much more dangerous.

[BookofMormonLuvr]

So, I guess the board needs a new rule. You must disclose any and all sins in your past before entering a discussion. Because, after all, for you to have any standing on a subject you must have a spotless past. It will make it easier for us to know who dismiss out of hand and who we should really be listening to.

And, no, any repentance you have done doesn't matter. Your opinion is irreparably harmed by your past.

[cynth]

So, I guess the board needs a new rule. You must disclose any and all sins in your past before entering a discussion. Because, after all, for you to have any standing on a subject you must have a spotless past. It will make it easier for us to know who dismiss out of hand and who we should really be listening to.

And, no, any repentance you have done doesn't matter. Your opinion is irreparably harmed by your past.

Are you serious? What nigerian prince did you send money to this week? Stop being so touchy. Yes, people should investigate the background of those who publicly make claims online and ask for money. No, it doesn't justify your silly little rant here about posting comments.

[thesometimesaint]

By gathering surrounding matter.  That's what black holes do.  Now I am not a physicist but from what little I have read there is no consensus, even among physicists, about what would happen.

 

The Black Holes created are in a magnetic vacuum. There is literally nothing for them to draw in, outside of a few protons.

  SEE http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2008/mar/06/artificial-black-hole-created-in-lab

[CA Steve]

Look I think the OP makes an interesting unintended point. I mean since science has consistently shown itself to be wrong, isn't it possible that some experiment at CERN might cause the entire universe to cease to exist? I mean, it's okay to place our beliefs and fears on some future discovery or mistake, good or bad, that science might make, isn't it?

 

Or is it just our own peculiar beliefs we hope science will eventually prove?

[KevinG]

Uh Oh!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33vWxKuS5os

[ttribe]

So, I guess the board needs a new rule. You must disclose any and all sins in your past before entering a discussion. Because, after all, for you to have any standing on a subject you must have a spotless past. It will make it easier for us to know who dismiss out of hand and who we should really be listening to.

And, no, any repentance you have done doesn't matter. Your opinion is irreparably harmed by your past.

 

Please, spare us the drama.  The fact is, this man ran an affinity fraud with his religious convictions as a primary source for gaining people's trust.  The fact that he's made extraordinary claims in the past that turned out to be fraudulent does, in fact, reflect on any new claims regardless of whether you happen to believe he's "repented" or not.  IMO, all known fraudsters, allegedly reformed or not, ought to be approached with a heightened sense of skepticism and scrutiny.

Edited August 21, 2015 by ttribe

[BookofMormonLuvr]

Obviously, I don't believe the the Universe or Earth will get swallowed by a black hole. But are there higher sciences best left untampered with while in mortality?

[jkwilliams]

Please, spare us the drama.  The fact is, this man ran an affinity fraud with his religious convictions as a primary source for gaining people's trust.  The fact that he's made extraordinary claims in the past that turned out to be fraudulent does, in fact, on any new claims regardless of whether you happen to believe he's "repented" or not.  IMO, all known fraudsters, allegedly reformed or not, ought to be approached with a heightened sense of skepticism and scrutiny.

Like you're some kind of expert.

[BookofMormonLuvr]

Please, spare us the drama.  The fact is, this man ran an affinity fraud with his religious convictions as a primary source for gaining people's trust.  The fact that he's made extraordinary claims in the past that turned out to be fraudulent does, in fact, on any new claims regardless of whether you happen to believe he's "repented" or not.  IMO, all known fraudsters, allegedly reformed or not, ought to be approached with a heightened sense of skepticism and scrutiny.

And I am sure in your zeal to be open minded about his reform you will rush to see what he actually teaches through his ministry..

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[ttribe]

Uh Oh!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33vWxKuS5os

 

I want a lightsaber.  Judging from that video, those guys might be able to help me.

[ttribe]

Like you're some kind of expert.

 

Exactly.  I'm totally unqualified to talk about these things.

 

And I am sure in your zeal to be open minded about his reform you will rush to see what he actually teaches through his ministry..

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Where did I express any "zeal to be open minded about his reform?"  In fact, I think I just expressed a significant amount of doubt about that reform.

[bluebell]

But are there higher sciences best left untampered with while in mortality?

 

Is there any way to actually know the answer to that?  I mean, you seem to be asking whether or not we should tamper with stuff we don't know about because bad things we don't about might happen.  I don't see any way to get that information.

 

And what is a 'higher science'?  Before we discovered electricity, would that have been considered a higher science best left untampered with?  Trying to figure out the answer to your question seems incredibly subjective and arbitrary.

Edited August 21, 2015 by bluebell