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  1. What's this about my ancestor? and perhaps an ancestor of most on this board of European stock.
  2. Your well of bitterness towards all things Joseph Smith seems to run really deep, what is the backstory? Genuine question!
  3. gav

    3 Nephi 8

    Exactly! That is a great example of hyperbole. I don't understand what you are disagreeing with exactly. Through a 21st century lens it is hyperbole. In antiquity it is a standard writing or recording style, the world was much smaller then. Events were experienced and described differently than today. The global perspective that we grow up with and take for granted is a very new thing.
  4. gav

    3 Nephi 8

    I'm trying to be respectful so I must ask. Why do you feel the need to advocate for this position when geomorphology is clearly not your field?
  5. gav

    3 Nephi 8

    I agree that thrust faulting fits the description well, but it couldn't cover a city in 3 hours. That would be a movement of plates by at least several miles in a matter of 3 hours. That is the average that plates move over time, but they don't gradually and constantly creep. They get jammed for decades, even centuries and then finally somethings gotta give. That is when you get "the big one". The longer the interval that they are stuck the larger the resulting earthquake eventually is. The plates, especially in this continental crust setting are deep below the surface. This
  6. gav

    3 Nephi 8

    Thrust faulting could easily do it in that short time frame and is common at colliding plate boundaries. The destruction described is not limited to that from volcanoes. A great earthquake is also described in 3 Nephi 8. True it is that volcanoes do cause earthquakes but by far the largest earthquakes are from fault ruptures along tectonic plate boundaries. The Trans-Mexican Volcanic Belt is the result of such a tectonic plate collision and plate subduction. This subduction and subsequent melting fuels the many volcanoes in this area as well as generating well recorded
  7. God resides in eternity, outside of time. "Time only is measured of men". God knows what you will do next week because from his viewpoint you have already done it. All thing are before him present. Past, present and future. This temporal state only introduces time so that for us everything does not happen at once... that way we can exercise faith because there is a delay between our actions and their consequences.
  8. gav

    3 Nephi 8

    Just as an aside, Pilot records a blood moon at the death of Christ. The new testament records an earthquake and darkness at and around the crucifixion. During eclipses the tidal pull on the earth including the crust is greatest and so there is some correlation between eclipses and earthquakes etc. Plates build up pressure along faults and that little extra tug can be the last straw that causes those faults to rupture. The extra seismic activity can also trigger eruptions. These events which often occur at random based on the "readiness" of their environment can become synchronised if they are
  9. gav

    3 Nephi 8

    Here is the one in the "land southward" regions. It popped in the right time frame. In the "land northward" we have a number of candidates. Popocatépetl popped explosively at around that time: Also of note relating to Popocatépetl in a similar time frame:
  10. gav

    3 Nephi 8

    This is El_Chichón 7 months after its 1982 eruption that obliterated 9 villages... 40 years later and it's covered in jungle. From wikipedia One of its earlier eruptions may have been the trigger event that sunk the Maya's into a dark age. This is just one of the Active volcanoes in Chiappas (potentially Zarahemla)
  11. gav

    3 Nephi 8

    Ash deposits from a single local eruption can blankets hundreds of square miles, coating it in ash, killing vegetation, casing mud slides, so a small-scale highly destructive local event can have very widespread effects tied to it. It would only take a few eruptions at more or less the same time to create the devastation depicted and described. Nephi was not a geologist and likely did not personally visit all the areas described. He would have relied on eye witness accounts which may be prone to exaggeration in cataclysmic time and some misattribution also. A significant shift in the plates in
  12. gav

    3 Nephi 8

    I'll have to scratch around, its been a while.. but here is something in the meantime to give you an indication of what just one mesoamerican volcano can accomplish. It's about 500 years after the time we are interested in. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/volcanic-eruption-may-have-plunged-the-maya-into-a-ldquo-dark-age-rdquo/
  13. gav

    3 Nephi 8

    MesoAmerica is littered with volcanoes, many of them active since it straddles tectonic plate boundaries. Many of these are of the explosive variety that produce pyroclastic flows... (think mount St Helens as opposed to nice runny Hawaii volcanoes) These are the varieties that can also form a mountain or destroy one during single eruption events. They also form massive outpourings of ash that may darken a landscape and encase it in ash. There are some large eruptive sequences dated to around the time of Christ and some significant damage to infrastructure. There are some complexes encased in l
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