A Drink In Seattle Vs. A Drink In Salt Lake City

[Johnnie Cake]

Well aside from Utah's quirky liquor laws...how about Utah's Liquor Commission Chariman David Gladwell...former Bishop and high councilman...In fact I believe that there is only 1 consumer of alcohol on the entire Utah Alcohol Commission Board...at least publically admits to consuming

[Tacenda]

http://www.foxnews.c...y-to-get-drink/

This seems to be a problem for tourism in Utah and even locals and local business owners.

Edited May 20, 2013 by Tacenda

[wenglund]

Don't thank me, thank the Utah legislature, Wade. They're the ones who decided this stuff was major "issue" enough to pass the laws that mandate, among other things, warm beer. Do you suppose they're walking around dressed in sack cloth & ashes?

--Erik

I see you bringing the discussion here, Erik, and not the Utah Legislature. Take ownership of your pettiness.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[blackstrap]

I may be wrong(as I often am ) but is not warm beer a staple in England as it was for centuries in ancient Egypt ? Maybe it has something to do with the properties of beer. I guess it's a matter of taste. As for me....

[LoudmouthMormon]

Wow. I've been out of the state for 14 years now - glad to see the exact same conversation, word for word, point for point, still happening. (A little more "are we really discussing this?" than in 1999, but otherwise unchanged.)

Thanks for the flashback. 1986. The "John and Dan in the Mornings on KRSP FM" show. Parody of John Denver's "Rocky Mountain High":

The Californians come here, and they try to buy a drink.

Then they laugh, and giggle at our liquor laws.

I guess they're sort of silly, but then who the hell asked you?

Let's go outside, and settle this like Utahns do.

And the Sausalito ski bums come to town,

I seen 'em talking Utah skiers down.

If you don't like it here, I'll buy your ticket out of town!

California clown! (Sausalito.)

California clown! (Go on back home.)

[thesometimesaint]

For your consumption.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/food-for-men/warm-beer-7161290

Gentlemen, the cold is not your beer's friend. According to Mark Garrison, writing for Slate, this whole it's-cold-enough-when-the-mountains-turn-blue thing is just a big conspiracy propagated by mega-brewers to mask the poor taste of their watery lagers by chilling them to death. In addition to depressing flavor, cold temperatures also up the carbonation in beer, giving tasteless stuff a pleasant tingle. But "there's practically no beer worth drinking that should be served under 40 degrees Fahrenheit," says Garrison (for reference, tap beer comes out at a chilly 38 degrees). In the case of good craft beers, the low temperatures just dampen the flavor, causing you to miss all the things that would open up if a little warmer. Unfortunately, even bars with serious beer selections rarely serve their brews at the proper temperature, due to the difficulty of varying cooling in a draft system and unwillingness to contradict a public that still largely thinks beer should be virtually frozen. But when you're drinking good beer at home, Garrison says you should ditch the iced mugs for room-temperature glasses, and let beers sit out of the fridge for a little while before opening them. For reference, serve wheat beers, pilsners, and other light beers at 40-45 degrees, dark styles like cask ales and imperial stouts at 50-55 degrees, and ambers and bocks somewhere in between.

[ERayR]

Well aside from Utah's quirky liquor laws...how about Utah's Liquor Commission Chariman David Gladwell...former Bishop and high councilman...In fact I believe that there is only 1 consumer of alcohol on the entire Utah Alcohol Commission Board...at least publically admits to consuming

Your Point?

[stemelbow]

How about Utah's Liquor Commission Chariman David Gladwell...former Bishop and high councilman

Stemelbow's former bishop and young men's leader. Delightful man. In fact, I got a little teary eyed thinking of him. Thanks for the reminder.

[sheilauk]

I may be wrong(as I often am ) but is not warm beer a staple in England as it was for centuries in ancient Egypt ? Maybe it has something to do with the properties of beer. I guess it's a matter of taste. As for me....

Its been a while since I spoke with beer drinkers, but generally they do prefer it at room temperature over here, in the UK. Lager is often drunk cold, but I'm told that lager has little taste and is only useful for getting drunk on! Most draught (keg) beer is sold in pubs at room temperature and certainly most, if not all, the real ale sold. I've been told that it does make it taste better than when its cold - never made any difference to me - all alcohol tasted foul! Rarely drank the stuff, made accepting the Word of Wisdom easy!

[ERayR]

Its been a while since I spoke with beer drinkers, but generally they do prefer it at room temperature over here, in the UK. Lager is often drunk cold, but I'm told that lager has little taste and is only useful for getting drunk on! Most draught (keg) beer is sold in pubs at room temperature and certainly most, if not all, the real ale sold. I've been told that it does make it taste better than when its cold - never made any difference to me - all alcohol tasted foul! Rarely drank the stuff, made accepting the Word of Wisdom easy!

It looks like Utah is right in line with the preferences of their visitors from England. It seems to me Washington state should makes some serious changes in beer protocol so that visitors from England won't have to put up with that nasty cold beer.

[Scott Lloyd]

Stemelbow's former bishop and young men's leader. Delightful man. In fact, I got a little teary eyed thinking of him. Thanks for the reminder.

Curse the state government of Utah for putting such a viper in charge of an important agency.

[mfbukowski]

It looks like Utah is right in line with the preferences of their visitors from England. It seems to me Washington state should makes some serious changes in beer protocol so that visitors from England won't have to put up with that nasty cold beer.

I owe you about 87 rep points for that one!

[ERayR]

I owe you about 87 rep points for that one!

Thank you. It just seemed reasonable.

[mfbukowski]

For your consumption.

http://www.esquire.c...rm-beer-7161290

Gentlemen, the cold is not your beer's friend. According to Mark Garrison, writing for Slate, this whole it's-cold-enough-when-the-mountains-turn-blue thing is just a big conspiracy propagated by mega-brewers to mask the poor taste of their watery lagers by chilling them to death. In addition to depressing flavor, cold temperatures also up the carbonation in beer, giving tasteless stuff a pleasant tingle. But "there's practically no beer worth drinking that should be served under 40 degrees Fahrenheit," says Garrison (for reference, tap beer comes out at a chilly 38 degrees). In the case of good craft beers, the low temperatures just dampen the flavor, causing you to miss all the things that would open up if a little warmer. Unfortunately, even bars with serious beer selections rarely serve their brews at the proper temperature, due to the difficulty of varying cooling in a draft system and unwillingness to contradict a public that still largely thinks beer should be virtually frozen. But when you're drinking good beer at home, Garrison says you should ditch the iced mugs for room-temperature glasses, and let beers sit out of the fridge for a little while before opening them. For reference, serve wheat beers, pilsners, and other light beers at 40-45 degrees, dark styles like cask ales and imperial stouts at 50-55 degrees, and ambers and bocks somewhere in between.

With my vast experience with ice cream I can tell you this is so.

Ice cream always tastes a little better when it is a tad melty.

[Johnnie Cake]

Your Point?

No one better qualified to govern the needs of Utah's Drinking community than a non-drinking (I'm making an assumption) former Mormon bishop. Clearly, Bishop Gladwell is uniquely qualified to represent the wants and needs of the Utah demographic he is representing.

[ERayR]

No one better qualified to govern the needs of Utah's Drinking community than a non-drinking (I'm making an assumption) former Mormon bishop. Clearly, Bishop Gladwell is uniquely qualified to represent the wants and needs of the Utah demographic he is representing.

As I understand it his is not an elected position. He is hired by the state of Utah to run a government agency. He therefore represents his employer. Who better to run an agency than someone who maintains a clear head and is not troubled by the fog of an inebriated mind.

[thesometimesaint]

With my vast experience with ice cream I can tell you this is so.

Ice cream always tastes a little better when it is a tad melty.

Agreed.

[Scott Lloyd]

No one better qualified to govern the needs of Utah's Drinking community than a non-drinking (I'm making an assumption) former Mormon bishop. Clearly, Bishop Gladwell is uniquely qualified to represent the wants and needs of the Utah demographic he is representing.

You make it sound as though he's supposed to be some sort of consumer advocate for drinkers. That was never the intent. The "demographic" he is serving is the people of the state of Utah, not the drinkers of the state or of other states.

The purpose is implied in the name: the Alcoholic Beverage Control Commission. I emphasize the word control in the name. The commission, as I see it, exists to keep a check on something that could easily get out of hand. Its aim is to ensure the general public safety and welfare. Seems to me a non-drinker could do that as well or better than a drinker.

The purpose is defined in this statement from the commission's web site.

The Alcoholic Beverage Control Commission is comprised of seven part-time members appointed by the governor with the advice and consent of the senate. The commission shall act as the general policymaking body on the subject of alcoholic product control. The commission sets policy and makes rules, and is responsible for the issuance of licenses and permits, and the suspension or revocation of existing licenses for infractions of the law. As a commission they act as a governing board in reviewing the activities of the staff on the day to day operations of the department.

Edited May 20, 2013 by Scott Lloyd

[Johnnie Cake]

As I understand it his is not an elected position. He is hired by the state of Utah to run a government agency. He therefore represents his employer. Who better to run an agency than someone who maintains a clear head and is not troubled by the fog of an inebriated mind.

Expressing a little of your bias's ERayR? Certainly you are not suggesting that only non-drinkers maintain clear heads and clearly the use of the word "inebriated" suggests some bias towards those who drink. The vast majority of those who chose to drink do so responsibly.

Just as you can eat food responsibly and not get fat...there are those who abuse food and over indulge...but to call all who eat as being fat...is well just showing a stupid bias....

[stemelbow]

No one better qualified to govern the needs of Utah's Drinking community than a non-drinking (I'm making an assumption) former Mormon bishop. Clearly, Bishop Gladwell is uniquely qualified to represent the wants and needs of the Utah demographic he is representing.

And your sarcasm comes even though you don't know anything about the man.

[Scott Lloyd]

Expressing a little of your bias's ERayR? Certainly you are not suggesting that only non-drinkers maintain clear heads and clearly the use of the word "inebriated" suggests some bias towards those who drink. The vast majority of those who chose to drink do so responsibly.

It was you who hinted that the man was unqualified to do his job because he is a non-drinker. It is perfectly reasonable for ERay to suggest, as one of his qualifications, that he will likely never be incapacitated from inebriation when called upon to make an important judgment.

Edited May 20, 2013 by Scott Lloyd

[stemelbow]

Expressing a little of your bias's ERayR? Certainly you are not suggesting that only non-drinkers maintain clear heads and clearly the use of the word "inebriated" suggests some bias towards those who drink. The vast majority of those who chose to drink do so responsibly.

Just as you can eat food responsibly and not get fat...there are those who abuse food and over indulge...but to call all who eat as being fat...is well just showing a stupid bias....

So are you suggesting a person who abstains from alcohol also can't have the responsible drinkers (not to mention others) interest in mind?

Fewf! talk about stupid bias.

Edited May 20, 2013 by stemelbow

[ERayR]

Expressing a little of your bias's ERayR? Certainly you are not suggesting that only non-drinkers maintain clear heads and clearly the use of the word "inebriated" suggests some bias towards those who drink. The vast majority of those who chose to drink do so responsibly.

Just as you can eat food responsibly and not get fat...there are those who abuse food and over indulge...but to call all who eat as being fat...is well just showing a stupid bias....

Having been an both sides of the fence at different times in my life I assure you I can speak from knowledge and without "a stupid" bias. It doesn't matter how much you drink impairment starts with the first one and is cumulative for the period in question. I am certainly not suggesting only non-drinkers can have a clear head. However, the odds of maintaining a clear head are certainly much higher for a non-drinker than for a drinker.

[thesometimesaint]

So are you suggesting a person who abstains from alcohol also can't have the responsible drinkers (not to mention others) interest in mind?

Fewf! talk about stupid bias.

I don't know how far we can stretch that rationale. Would a person morally opposed to driving a car be the best person to go to for driving lessons?

[ERayR]

I don't know how far we can stretch that rationale. Would a person morally opposed to driving a car be the best person to go to for driving lessons?

That IMNSHO would be stretching it way too far.