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Yes. It’s funny that mfb chose moravians. The Moravian church was the first church I attended, as a child for around 6 years and i was christened by them. When I reference my first church and my current church, I get the same blank look! I almost always follow up the name of the church by saying, Mormons. People usually then have some idea, though it’s usually the polygamists they think of! And they have no idea of the beliefs of either church. And sadly, I remember very little of the Moravian doctrine, but I was only 8 when I stopped attending! My strongest memory of the moravians is christingles.

Sorry, bluebell, I edited my post as you posted! Temple workers in the UK stay for a week at a time, not just one day. For many it's too far to go for one day. There is an accommodation block where they have kitchens and can get their own food. I am guessing most already take food and do their own meals and don't rely on the cafeteria. I don't remember seeing many in the cafeteria.

Well, that's a shame. Both UK temples had cafeterias and the food was good and cheap. And both temples are a considerable distance from places to eat. I always found it easier to eat there, and going to the temple is an all day trip for most people. Guess it's a packed lunch from now on, hope I remember! Or go hungry till I can get to a store or cafe. Maybe someone enterprising will be able to open a food establishment nearby! Btw, temple workers usually stay in accommodation in the grounds for a week and the rooms have a small kitchen so they will be able to make meals for themselves.

The wards in my stake have only used zoom. Used it for sacrament meetings, Sunday school, relief society, primary and stake conference. We've had testament meetings over it and were interactive in the other meetings, generally worked well. Now used just to broadcast sacrament meetings. Didn't know there was Web casting - possibly only in the USA. I think zoom will suffice for existing purposes.

The figure for measles is worldwide. So far COVID-19 is said to have caused 4.8 million deaths worldwide. Even if you think that’s exaggerated due to how it’s counted, at half the number, it’s close to the measles figure and Covid-19 is still going. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/ millions are sick and dying worldwide. Countries in Africa and Asia are desperate for the vaccine and privileged westerners, with easy access to the vaccine, healthcare and other prevention measures are whining about them. I don’t understand it. None of it is any harder or more demanding than wearing a seatbelt or getting a flu shot. And by failing to take simple steps, the pandemic rages on and is prolonged.

I expect attendance is down, it has gone down in my wards over the years, pre pandemic. Attendance went up during the pandemic with zoom meetings! I reckon though that the monthly attendance in my stake is definitely more than 32 per month, each ward I’ve been in is probably at least 20 a week, probably 30+ each a month and there are 5 wards in my stake. btw,church attendance is down across the board as is people identifying with any religion. I think our church is doing better than many. The previous church I attended is struggling far more. Too much to do on a Sunday than attend church.

The UK has lifted all restrictions (no idea why other than the economy given delta ) but our stake is still social distancing, sanitising, wearing masks and using separate sections for bread (we don't use cups, but put individual pieces where the cups would go). I will keep social distancing and masks until covid is much more under control. I welcome the latest statement from the First Presidency.

Paras 4 and 5 I think, tacenda. He refers to the core hymns and puts the list in an appendix, you need to go to the end of the article where there is a list of hymns, which he suggests are the core hymns. praise to the man is in that list.

More than that, he wants the money to come to him. That "prayer for relief" is a crock.

Is it legal to behave in a disorderly way even in a public place? It's not in the UK. My solution would be to stay calm and avoid interaction, I wouldn't talk to them or approach them, i'd call the police and photograph/video them and if they stayed, form a choir and sing hymns and pray. When I've faced disruptive people and got out my camera, they've walked away. Might not work for these narcissists but you'd have evidence for the police and they'd have a film showing them being filmed and with a gospel soundtrack. You could also perhaps create a cordon, at a distance from them and leaving them a way out, so that they could only get close enough to get details by forcing their way through. That would mean them risking getting arrested for assault.

Yes, it’s stupid and it’s bullying. Do bullies go if you ignore them? And hard to ignore when they stand right in front of your car and take photos of personal info that could subsequently be stolen and used by bad actors, or when they are taking photos of your children to put up on the internet. That in particular is an issue for me. I take photos in public places all the time of various items. I try not to include children or if it’s unavoidable, to make them indistinct and I don’t post them on social media without the consent of the parents. The reason should be obvious.

Oh, I originally read it as per annum. Apparently, according to the article, Gonzalez makes about $8600 per month from the YouTube channel, plus advertising, merchandising, donations etc. Franklin Ornelas makes about $500 a month. It may still be the case that they figure to make even more by religious harassment than by harassing police officers and in post offices. And obviously they are encouraged by those who donate or even just regularly watch, making them complicit in the harassment. In UK legal circles there was a saying that without handlers of stolen goods, there’d be no thieves (or at least far fewer). So, I guess as the Nehor said, we’ve become part of the problem! (How do you find out about it, condemn it and try to stop it without creating hits on YouTube which feed the profit and desire for fame element?)

The article does say that they aren’t making much, a few thousand at present, and the writer compares them to the hundreds of thousands others like Dehlin make. So my guess would be they’ve branched out into religious harassment to make a few more bucks. Of course, I could be wildly wrong and it may be a principled stand for the first amendment, but I don’t see how or why you need defend that principle by harassing private individuals including children who are on their private land, and taking private details ( eg vin numbers) even if they are in a public space. If it were me they confronted, I’d take photos of them, as personal as possible, get others to join me in a circle surrounding them and then very loudly sing some hymns! And loudly pray for their souls.

They profit by getting advertising revenue from YouTube. Controversial subjects - more hits - more money

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Pastor Martin Niemoller

I do know how ubiquitous banks of urinals are. You might be surprised by how many male bathrooms I've been in!

Why does there need to be a wall of urinals? A lot of toilets in business premises and pretty much every private home manages without a urinal. Put stalls there as well. You could even put a urinal in a stall.

Regarding trans women in women's sport, here's a thought. Supposing you were in the basketball team of company X. The company takes part in an amateur league. You do well. You get to the final, you're up against company Y They are a good team but you've a fair chance of beating them. You're feeling good about the upcoming match, confident that if you do your best, you can take home the trophy. You go on to the court and get a shock. The entire team of the Harlem globetrotters are there. You protest and are told that company Y employs them (from two days ago) so the substitution is fair, you're told to stop complaining, that you are racist and to get on with the match. How do you feel? What is the inevitable outcome?

Far too many men want to silence women. For some reason, it seems to be an affront to their manliness for women to have an opinion and to speak out. They view women as objects that need protection (from the wolves at the door? The marauders roaming the land with swords drawn?), rather than as individual humans with a brain and thoughts of their own. If a group of men disagreed with their position, there would be no accusations of a pile on. But somehow, when it's a group of women, it's dismissed - it's just the "sisterhood" attacking them, rather than maybe what they said was disagreeable to a lot of individuals. And then the insults fly, women are mean and nasty, because they dared to hold and express a contrary opinion. The insults are designed to shut us up. Because women have been conditioned to want to be liked. We are in the 21st century. Women shouldn't still be fighting to be seen and heard. Time for men to leave behind the attitudes of times long past. Until they do, women will continue to be afraid of them. This is the problem with the "trans rights" "movement". Women grow up knowing they need to be wary of men, all men. It's not as if the ones who will assault you have a mark on their forehead. All women by the time they are in their early twenties will have faced male aggression, from a stranger. All women have to decide, every time they go out, how to deal with it. When they go on a first date, how do they get home if they don't like the guy? What will he do if rejected? Where do you park the car? Will it be dark and isolated when you come back? When walking home, are the streets well lit? That man walking behind her, is he safe? Where do you run to for help? Is your mobile charged up? Keys in hand? Or do you just not go out? We get called names if we're sexually active and names if we're not. When with a group of men, at work or socially, even with other women there, the men dominate, if a woman speaks, too often she's ignored or her ideas usurped. Men who are supportive and who get it are rare and don't speak out enough to support women. It's exhausting emotionally and physically to be on guard all the time, to be thinking how to handle aggression all the time and to be trying to be heard without being insulted. And that's why women want a space to be with other women. A place to relax and be heard, to have the kind of conversation, atmosphere and experience that men take for granted. And that's the issue over trans women in that space. They don't have the same emotional experiences, though they have probably experienced male violence. But the conditioned response of a woman to a man is fear. Will this man be safe? Even men that are known to a woman can't be presumed to be safe. So women can't relax even if the man says he's one of them and that removes the safe space. It's just another area where you have to watch out all the time. How an individual woman reacts will depend on her. Contrary to male opinion, we're not all the same. Some choose to push the fear aside, sone feel it and take various steps (a friend will never park on the street if returning late at night from an event, always in a well lit car park), many simply give up, they disappear from society and stay home. If you dont have to make those choices every day, all day, stop telling us what you think we should be thinking and try to listen instead. Be part of the solution. Yes, I know trans people suffer a lot of abuse and violence and share that female experience in that way, but theit response when going into a female space will be very different to that of the women in there seeing a "man" walk in. I'm not sure what the solution is, given the violence that occurs in unisex places, but until the issue is acknowledged and women's feelings are recognised as valid, there will continue to be problems and women will continue to be disappeared.