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I think, as everyday usage, Northern England may be the only pocket left into the 21st century! If you want to see the use of thee thou and thy that’s not love poetry or religious, read the song, On Ilkla Moor Baht At - it’s in everyday Yorkshire dialect (translations are available or I can translate! It’s a favourite of mine, partly due to the gruesomeness!)

Curious why you say this. Where I grew up, the use of thou was still quite common in everyday speech, especially with the older and rural generations. I myself frequently used the word - pronounced with the dialect/accent of the area. It is dying out now, as the dialect is not used as much by the more recent generations (which I think is the case throughout the UK). I’m talking about the north of England and the word is pronounced “tha” but it is thou not you that’s being said. Less common, but still used was “thee”. Neither were limited to religion or poetry. Saying “you” was considered quite posh! I do think it likely that thee and thou were little used in the South of England and I’m sure their majestys did not use the terms.

How do you know other religions don’t already make use of this method of tax deductible donations? Most churches I’m aware of don’t do tithing the same way the LDS do but a quick Google search shows that the Catholic Church has a charitable arm which states donations to it are tax deductible. https://www.caritas.org.au/donate/a-just-world-for-all/?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=CPC&utm_campaign=AO_2022_DIGI_Catholic_Charities_Generic_Paid&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=g&utm_kw=catholic charities australia&gclid=Cj0KCQiAg_KbBhDLARIsANx7wAwqFbXjg6JSXyiB5LLuqAdtz8sWzO88SiZoU3DF6Q7YZt8YLiBU94gaAty1EALw_wcB People keep calling it a loophole, But a loophole is more an omission, shortcoming or ambiguity in legislation. This isn’t any of those, it appears to be a straightforward tax exemption to encourage charitable giving. ETA: it seems the Methodists, the Salvation Army and the anglicans all have charitable arms donations to which are tax deductible.

I appreciate your consistency. As for when the missionaries first came to me, I felt fine. Not annoyed, not bothered, not intruded upon. Actually, I welcomed them. I’ve had sales people, political candidates and Jehovahs Witnesses knock on my door before I became “Mormon.” I didn’t find it rude then or now. My current view is not formed by my current religion but perhaps more from being a door knocker myself for over 30 years (which is considerably longer than I’ve been Mormon.) (And maybe because I was happy the missionaries came to my door as I wanted to talk to them!). And maybe people in the UK view it differently than the USA because I would say the majority that I know don’t generally mind. They understand why you’re there. A lot of them are happy to take the opportunity to talk. I’ve met quite a few be annoyed if we didn’t knock on their door! Like me, if they are busy they say go away. Now, if you didn’t then politely say goodbye and leave, that they wouldn’t like. Or maybe they are too polite to say they don’t like it. But I’ve had conversations with a lot of folks about it and most of them did not say they didn’t like it or that people shouldn’t do it. Of course there are those who don’t like it, as you don’t. So put a notice on your door (or a doormat outside it) and most uninvited callers should be polite enough to leave without knocking. Because if someone clearly doesn’t want a canvasser or missionary or anyone else to knock uninvited, I agree it would be rude to proceed to knock. I’ve walked away from the occasional door because of a notice. You have your experience and I have mine. Both true for the areas we know and both purely anecdotal. I don’t see how you can draw any conclusion about what most think unless there is some empirical, objective evidence and even then, feelings about it may vary from country to country, dependent on culture. In the end both of us, any of us, can only speak for our experience in a limited area of the world and not for most of the world.

Is it also intrusive arrogant and rude to knock on someone’s door when canvassing for people’s political views? I’ve done that many times and found the vast majority are polite and have no problem saying they are not interested if they are not interested. It’s a few minutes out of their day. I’m sure it’s the same for missionaries. I’ve certainly never been upset when strangers such as JW missionaries have knocked on my door, nor thought them arrogant or intrusive and Ive never heard anyone complain about it either, just laugh about how they sent them away. Obviously this is only personal anecdotal information so doubtless it carries little weight. Personally, I am very grateful missionaries came to my door uninvited or I may never have become a member of the Church.

Is one of them Beck though? Is it possible it’s a photo of the two men that were baptised, one having just been baptised and in white or light coloured clothing and the other has been baptised and changed into non baptismal clothing and has excitedly gone and embraced his fellow saint? The caption could be read to say it’s the two men he baptised that are shown in the photo and not Beck with one of the men.

I’m so sorry for your loss. My sincere sympathies, I know how hard it is to lose a beloved pet.