Micro-Brewers Having Fun With L D S -- How Offensive Is It?

[Storm Rider]

This applies to Catholics, too.

 

I think there is a double standard for Catholics also, but the impact is different.  When you are the majority and you are ridiculed it is the proverbial fly buzzing around your head. However, when you are a very small minority the experience is a bit different.

 

Regardless, the ridicule (not this type of humor on a bottle of beer), but the ridicule of religion will get worse long before it gets better. 

[thesometimesaint]

so what do you say, halconero?  does this rise to "hate speech" (option #1)? or is it merely highly offensive (option #2)?  or is it an offense of a minor nature (option #3)? please don't hold back--this forum deserves to know where you stand...

;0)

 

Hate speech? No. Closer to a mildly offensive parody. 

[Gray]

It doesn't bother me. It seems pretty harmless. How much cultural connectedness do we have to polygamy anyway? It seems more a dig at fundamentalist groups than to us.

[thesometimesaint]

I guess if that microbrewery relocated in southern Utah they might have a point. In the Mormon Corridor not so much.

[Gervin]

Bardo's, a micro-brew in Arlington VA, used to carry a Marion "Very" Berry brew in honor of the former DC mayor.  It wasn't very good (too sweet) but nobody thinks twice about a lampoon in DC ... especially if they're as deserving of it as the former mayor-for-life.  

[thesometimesaint]

Bardo's, a micro-brew in Arlington VA, used to carry a Marion "Very" Berry brew in honor of the former DC mayor.  It wasn't very good (too sweet) but nobody thinks twice about a lampoon in DC ... especially if they're as deserving of it as the former mayor-for-life.  

 

ALL politicians deserve to be lampooned. No religion deserves to be.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Tough to be hate speech when it is really quite a lame marketing ploy. I doubt it will sell much and most LDS don't care. I for one don't. A total yawner. And you did for get the option "This poll is stupid".

[saemo]

My husband bought a shirt that says, "I tried polygamy," on the back, which is a beer shirt, advertising Polygamy Porter. I refuse to be seen with him in public, if he is wearing this shirt, because I don't want to be construed as the person who tried polygamy with him!

But anyway, of course someone has written a paper on the subject:

http://soundideas.pugetsound.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1261&context=summer_research

The mocking of LDS is mentioned as being used as a means to marginalize non-mainstream religions. The mocking of Catholics is said to be as a means to defying authority, ie, the drunk priest/monk on a beer label, removes an expectation of authority.

[ERayR]

Bardo's, a micro-brew in Arlington VA, used to carry a Marion "Very" Berry brew in honor of the former DC mayor.  It wasn't very good (too sweet) but nobody thinks twice about a lampoon in DC ... especially if they're as deserving of it as the former mayor-for-life.  

 

IMNSHO nobody in DC thinks at all.

[Kenngo1969]

I think there is a double standard for Catholics also, but the impact is different.  When you are the majority and you are ridiculed it is the proverbial fly buzzing around your head. However, when you are a very small minority the experience is a bit different.

 

Regardless, the ridicule (not this type of humor on a bottle of beer), but the ridicule of religion will get worse long before it gets better. 

I guess we'll all just have to hang together, then, won't we?

[Gray]

My husband bought a shirt that says, "I tried polygamy," on the back, which is a beer shirt, advertising Polygamy Porter. I refuse to be seen with him in public, if he is wearing this shirt, because I don't want to be construed as the person who tried polygamy with him!

But anyway, of course someone has written a paper on the subject:

http://soundideas.pugetsound.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1261&context=summer_research

The mocking of LDS is mentioned as being used as a means to marginalize non-mainstream religions. The mocking of Catholics is said to be as a means to defying authority, ie, the drunk priest/monk on a beer label, removes an expectation of authority.

 

I suspect in Utah the LDS Church is that authority being defied. 

Edited March 4, 2014 by Gray

[mfbukowski]

I guess we'll all just have to hang together, then, won't we?

As Ben Franklin said " We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."

 

We gotta get on the same page with the Catholics

[mfbukowski]

I suspect in Utah the LDS Church is that authority being defied. 

After living in SLC for as long as I could stand it- one year- I found that the church was always the 800 pound gorilla in every discussion of everything.

 

It seemed like the whole culture was polarized.

 

I know that is going to get some comments, but it is true.

[thesometimesaint]

After living in SLC for as long as I could stand it- one year- I found that the church was always the 800 pound gorilla in every discussion of everything.

 

It seemed like the whole culture was polarized.

 

I know that is going to get some comments, but it is true.

 

Two years in Provo did it for me.

[Kenngo1969]

It doesn't bother me. It seems pretty harmless. How much cultural connectedness do we have to polygamy anyway? It seems more a dig at fundamentalist groups than to us.

I'm not sure how much "cultural connectedness" we have to plural marriage, but considering that some of us wouldn't be here without it ...  Well, you know!  I kinda like being here, y'know?  Well, OK: not always, but to borrow and slightly alter something Major Frank Burns of M*A*S*H infamy once said, "I happen to believe in the sanctity of human life ... no matter how ugly or disgusting it gets!"  (He was talking about marriage.)

[Five Solas]

I suspect in Utah the LDS Church is that authority being defied. 

Hit it on the nose, Gray. 

 

A lot of LDS like to emphasize their status as a minority, even a persecuted one--harkening back to the early days of their religion.  And then seemly forget that they (the state legislature they dominate, to be exact) make the rules covering ~ 85,000 square miles in the Rocky Mountain region of the U.S.  And their message to non-LDS residents who, for example, would prefer beer not be stored & sold warm?  Hit the road Jack!

 

No irony to see on this thread folks, everybody move along...

;0)

 

--Erik

[thesometimesaint]

Hit it on the nose, Gray. 

 

A lot of LDS like to emphasize their status as a minority, even a persecuted one--harkening back to the early days of their religion.  And then seemly forget that they (the state legislature they dominate, to be exact) make the rules covering ~ 85,000 square miles in the Rocky Mountain region of the U.S.  And their message to non-LDS residents who, for example, would prefer beer not be stored & sold warm?  Hit the road Jack!

 

No irony to see on this thread folks, everybody move along...

;0)

 

--Erik

 

If you think Utah's liqueur laws are strange just look at Tennessee's. Jack Daniel's can't even be sold in the county it is produced in.

[mfbukowski]

Hit it on the nose, Gray. 

 

A lot of LDS like to emphasize their status as a minority, even a persecuted one--harkening back to the early days of their religion.  And then seemly forget that they (the state legislature they dominate, to be exact) make the rules covering ~ 85,000 square miles in the Rocky Mountain region of the U.S.  And their message to non-LDS residents who, for example, would prefer beer not be stored & sold warm?  Hit the road Jack!

 

No irony to see on this thread folks, everybody move along...

;0)

 

--Erik

I know this is difficult for you to comprehend, but Utah is one state in a very big world.

 

I suggest you visit Paris or Shanghai to improve your outlook on the world and how much Mormons oppress it.

 

You can even buy cold beer in those places!!

Edited March 5, 2014 by mfbukowski

[Kenngo1969]

I know this is difficult for you to comprehend, but Utah is one state in a very big world.

 

I suggest you visit Paris or Shanghai to improve your outlook on the world and how much Mormons oppress it.

 

You can even buy cold beer in those places!!  [Emphasis added by Kenngo1969].

I dunno about that.  You can't even get a stinkin' glass of ice water in most of Europe.  (Whose idea was it, in that part of the world, that water is best served at room temperature ... if not warm? )

Edited March 5, 2014 by Kenngo1969

[mfbukowski]

I dunno about that.  You can't even get a stinkin' glass of ice water in most of Europe.  (Whose idea was it, in that part of the world, that water is best served at room temperature ... if not warm? )

In my experience that is especially true in Great Britain.

 

What do you expect in a country where they talk funny and pretend that it's regular English?   Can't trust people like that! 

[MiserereNobis]

Hit it on the nose, Gray. 

 

A lot of LDS like to emphasize their status as a minority, even a persecuted one--harkening back to the early days of their religion.  And then seemly forget that they (the state legislature they dominate, to be exact) make the rules covering ~ 85,000 square miles in the Rocky Mountain region of the U.S.  And their message to non-LDS residents who, for example, would prefer beer not be stored & sold warm?  Hit the road Jack!

 

No irony to see on this thread folks, everybody move along...

;0)

 

--Erik

 

One of my favorite "hippie-grass" bluegrass bands has a song called 3.2:

 

 

"3.2" by Hot Buttered Rum

 

The grass is always bluer

On the other side of the fence

And you know love is always sweeter

When she gives you a second chance

We came in through Nevada

Mr. Two Peak got us here

And now we'd like to have a taste

Of good Rocky Mountain beer

 

(chorus:)

 

I remember the sound of her sweet southern voice

As I jumped out the window and was gone

I remember the cool Colorado night

But there was something I forgot

In these big Rocky Mountains where there's so much to do

It's hard to get drunk on 3.2

If it's CU Boulder or BYU

It's hard to get drunk on 3.2

 

Some folks they joined the Peace Corps

Some work to ban landmines

Other folks help the world one bar at a time

My head is sober, my stomach's full

To better serve the Lord

I'll never be untrue when I'm drinking 3.2

Thanks to that state liquor board

 

(chorus)

 

If it's CU Boulder or BYU

It's hard to get drunk on 3.2

It's hard to get drunk on 3.2

It's expensive to get drunk on 3.2

 

Edited March 5, 2014 by MiserereNobis

[mfbukowski]

I would come home to California and then drive back to NYC when I was in graduate school, and I would always take a couple of cases of Coors with me because all the westerners in NYC would pay triple for a good old can of Coors.   You just couldn't get it there!

 

I drove across the country 6 times in those 3 years- and I do mean from NYC to San Diego- Northeast to Southwest, sea to shining sea.  I couldn't afford new tires so I bought re-treads and hoped they would make it to the other side.   They usually didn't. 

 

I pretty much had highway 66 memorized.

 

One of my favorite "hippie-grass" bluegrass bands has a song called 3.2:

 

 

 

Edited March 5, 2014 by mfbukowski

[Calm]

I dunno about that.  You can't even get a stinkin' glass of ice water in most of Europe.  (Whose idea was it, in that part of the world, that water is best served at room temperature ... if not warm? )

We were told in Russia it was unhealthy. Also sitting on cold stone.

[Five Solas]

One of my favorite "hippie-grass" bluegrass bands has a song called 3.2:

 

 

 

thanks to Youtube - I've now seen/heard a washboard solo in the middle of a song.  who knew?

 

--Erik

 

PS. the Colorado reference (CU Boulder) might be a little dated.  in Denver last week where they pour their drinks strong (and the altitude may add to the effect)

[MiserereNobis]

thanks to Youtube - I've now seen/heard a washboard solo in the middle of a song.  who knew?

 

--Erik

 

PS. the Colorado reference (CU Boulder) might be a little dated.  in Denver last week where they pour their drinks strong (and the altitude may add to the effect)

 

Gotta love the w'board!

 

Yeah, there's some GREAT micro-brews in Colorado... Boulder and Denver especially.