Ranch2727 Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 5 hours ago, smac97 said: Nope. Not a whit. I start threads about all sorts of things. Here are the last 75 topics I have started (I have asterisked the ones where the topic is, broadly, "LGBT"): Another Instance of Compelled Speech (Targeting Religious People) (Sorta) Discovery of Photograph of Joseph Smith? "Suspicious" Fire at Orem Temple Site Update on Investigation of BYU's Speech and Language Clinic Pres. Oaks: "Religious Rights Cannot Be Absolute" It's Official: SCOTUS Overturns Roe v. Wade Update on the "Glass of Wine is Good for You" Thing... Update on Massacre of Polygamists in Mexico Another SCOTUS decision on religious liberty. Des News Article Re: "Under the Banner of Heaven" Mini Series White Nationalists (Some from Utah) Planned to Attack LGBTQ Rally in Idaho Dallas Jenkins Walking a Tightrope Update on Story Re: Missing Kids (Daybell) ***BYU Student Flashes Rainbow Flag at Graduation The 2021 Annual Report: How the Church of Jesus Christ Cared for God’s Children "Patriarchy" - On its definition, meaning, on its "smashing," etc. On Elder Renlund's "Arrogant and Unproductive" Comment ("Demanding revelation from God is both...") (2nd) Update on Arizona Abuse Case Church Faces Possible Tax Issue in Australia (Simon Southerton is involved...) Two Trib Articles Re: John Dehlin Latter-day Saints call first Black woman to serve in a general presidency The Trailer for "Banner of Heaven" has dropped Trib Article re: Heavenly Mother Is the "Mormon" label fading? Story Re: Assignment from BYU Professor Dehlin v. Kwaku - An Update Article Re: SCOTUS Review of Gay Rights Case (Wedding Websites) Thoughts on the Church's Response to Ukraine Conflict QAnon Continues to Disturb (Trib Article) Saints Unscripted - Series of Vids Re: Blacks and the Priesthood Federal lawsuit against religious schools, including byu - Update Two Announcements Re: April 2022 General Conference Article: "What happens when Mormon women are called to ordained ministry?" The Church's Marketing Strategy - Reverting from the Shift? Controversy Over Utah Pastor's Tweet Re: Woman Posting Pics of Themselves in Revealing Clothing ***BYU Bans Protests on Y Mountain New Church Pamphlet on Islam RICO Act, Proposed Class Action against the Church - it is filed (Part 2) - Gaddy Lawsuit "Conversion Therapy" in Canada: Apparently a One Way Street Graphic Novel re: Joseph Smith Information About Ken Bowers Interesting article re: polygamists' approach to COVID, medical issues "Government Dole" v. Church's Welfare System Feet of Clay NASA Asking Religious Leaders About Aliens - What Would Latter-day Saint Leaders Say? Idaho County Sheriff Pulls Gun on Church Youth Group Former Doctor in Las Vegas Arrested for Terroristic Threats against Church Is the Provo Temple . . . Ugly? Police Chief for USU Police Warns Football Team re: Sex w "Mormon Women" Clean up your act online, church tells Latter-day Saints Saints Unscripted - Bible Genres and Historicity SCOTUS - Oral Argument on Abortion Rights Case DezNat in the News Again Federal lawsuit against religious schools, including byu Christian Pastor on Trial in Finland Input on Eating Meat "Sparingly" ***Two Articles re Improvements in Utah re: LGBT Issues Church Members in California Seeking "Religious Exemption" Forms for Vaccine, Church Saying "Nope." New Schisms: Denver Snuffer and Phil Davis Great Article Re: "Reconversion" Narratives ***Article re "Mixed Orientation Marriage" ***Opinion Piece by Ty Mansfield: Managing "Tension" between Doctrines and Impact Sexism in Utah: How Latter-day Saints Fare Jewish Leaders in AZ Tour Mesa Temple During Open House Minerva Teichert's Grandson's Lawsuit Against the Church Fire in Joseph Smith Memorial Building (Not Arson) Catholic "Ordinariates" - Any corollary in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? ***Opinion Article Re: Religious Activity and Suicidal Ideation (LGBT) 1st Edition Book of Mormon Sold - Record-setting Amount Boy Scouts, Church Pay into Settlement Fund for Abuse Victims Church completes digitization for billions of family history records Will the Church Purchase the Kirtland Temple? James huntsman (jon's brother) sues church for 'fraud' Idaho Bishop Released, Charged with Abuse Denver Snuffer - Canonizing "QAnon" Conspiracy Theories? I count 6 out of 75. Or about 8%. Most of my threads are about legal topics pertaining to the Church (civil liberties, lawsuits against or other legal issues affecting the Church, etc.), current events and news items involving the church, doctrinal issues, media (news and social) treatment of the Church, critics and criticism of the Church, issues pertaining to Christianity generally. Meanwhile, let's take a looksee at your threads (gay-themed, including topics where you and your status as a gay man, are asterisked) : ***We Can Find Common Ground on Gay Rights and Religious Liberty ***A Prophet of God ***In Latter Times Some Shall Forbid Marriage You Guys Need a Hug ***Is there a place in the Plan of Happiness for gays? Do you think there has been a revelation from God since Joseph Smith's time? Is the Bible the Words of God? ***Why would any straight person want to be a member of the COJCOLDS? ***Main resons for faith crisis So What Is The Real Plan Of God. Or Is The Plan Of Salvation A Complete Disaster. ***The Last Ever Ssm Thread. Who's In? Why Is Organized Religion Failing ***Eternal Increase And Eternal Progression Use Of The Urim And Thummim In Translating The Book Of Mormon ***Plantiff Files Prop 8 Brief For Supreme Court ***The Church Has Done More For Gay Marriage Than Any Other Organization ***Marriott Pushes For Doma Repeal Does God Cause Natural Disasters? ***Has Anyone On This Board Softened Their Views Of Gay Marriage? ***Catholics Backing Away From Politically Fighting Gay Marriage. ***Prop 8 The Play To Broadcast On Youtube David Archuleta Announces He Is Serving A Mission ***George Cloney To Star In Dustin Lance Black'S Prop 8 Play Morality And The Presidency ***Prop 8, The Play I count 16 out of 25, or 64%. You have started eight times as many "LGBT" threads as I have. Personally, I would be fine if there were less "LGBT" topics pertaining to the Church (and even in general). I recently posted a link to this video of a British guy commenting on the oversaturation of "gay" stuff. A transcription: "A lot of gay people don't feel at all represented by "Pride." They don't have anything to do with it. They just want to get on with their lives." "{A} lot of straight people look at this and think 'Just, you know, just tone it down a bit. We're very happy for you, but you don't have to go on about it, you don't have to have months of special flag-flying. Let's just get on with being equal.'" Alas, I don't expect any such respite, either in general or from you. My interest in the Church is eclectic. I am interested in discussing and learning about and debating its origins, history, doctrines, practices, governance, societal influence and impact, and so on. I think that is amply attested in my posting history. If anything, my particular emphasis tends toward legal issues affecting the Church. Developments in civil liberties. Legislation. Lawsuits. Members of the Church who break the law. That sort of thing. Meanwhile, you are far more of a one-trick-pony than I am when it comes to "LGBT" issues. The difference is that I don't really hector you about your preferred choice of discussion topics. Meanwhile, your prior response to me was devoid of substance or reasoning. A driveby potshot, that's all. Never. I never posted any such thing. And you continue to personalize the thread. No substance. No reasoning. Just personal attacks. Must be a day ending in "y." Yawn. I didn't do anything comparable to this. I do nothing of the sort. To the contrary, I often differentiate between the broader gay community and those subparts of it that are prone to excesses, unseemly behaviors, etc. Then feel free to disregard my posts. Meh. Again, there is no reasoning here. No substance. No evidence. No reasoned analysis or argument. Just emotional vitriol and threats. I was not describing all pride parades. I was instead commenting on the ones that include depraved, licentious behaviors, that are grooming children, etc. I have likewise not spoken against all drag shows. I have instead commented on the ones that involve inappropriate sexualization of children. And it is those portions of pride parades that I find problematic, and which I am criticizing. I have not. Again, no reasoning. No analysis. No evidence. Just vituperation. Emotional blackmail tends to work better when you have a personal relationship with the other guy. And threatened emotional blackmail as a distraction from the topic at hand is ineffective. I don't post "anti LGBT threads." That is a caricture of your own divising. Oh, the irony. Again, the irony. Then ignore them. We'll both be better off. No need to imagine. Much (most?) of your participation on this board consists of disparagements, insults, taunts, accusations, etc. Against the Church, its leaders, doctrines, members, etc. Get a grip, dude. I regularly post news items where Latter-day Saints have been arrested, convicted, etc. Daybell/Vallow. The guy in Arizona who horrifically abused his children. The guy from Utah (on his stake's high council) who was caught taking upskirt photos in a mall in Tennessee (?). Swindlers who have conned fellow Latter-day Saints out of millions of dollars. DezNat. The USU coach who was caught disparaging women. Here a few I found offhand: White Nationalists (Some from Utah) Planned to Attack LGBTQ Rally in Idaho Update on Story Re: Missing Kids (Daybell) (2nd) Update on Arizona Abuse Case Information About Ken Bowers Former Doctor in Las Vegas Arrested for Terroristic Threats against Church Police Chief for USU Police Warns Football Team re: Sex w "Mormon Women" DezNat in the News Again Idaho Bishop Released, Charged with Abuse Alaska Assistant Attorney General in "DezNat" Trouble Deznat (deseret nation) = White nationalism? - Part 4 Deznat (deseret nation) = White nationalism? - Part 3 Another Religion-based "Affinity Fraud" Case in Utah Church Rebukes Latter-day Saints Participating in Riot in DC w/ "Title of Liberty" Banner Update on Human Trafficking Scam in AZ/UT Update on AZ Abuse Case Update on Adoption Scam (Human Trafficking? in Arizona/Utah All of these involve Latter-day Saints misbehaving, usually in some pretty serious ways. And yet nobody has ever accused me of using such topics to "expose" or disparage the entirety of the Latter-day Saint community. I have likewise said nothing to disparage the entirety of the "gay community." I have instead critiqued those parts and members of it which are doing things I find problematic. Then feel free to not read them. Not really buying into your attempt at guilt-tripping, CB. It's based on a caricature. Thanks, -Smac I rarely defend the church but I’m going to on this. “Son we don’t go to church for the people, so if you don’t like someone stay away from them. We go only to worship God” My father at his best. Did All the cases you listed go to jail? If so they got their punishment. Chad Daybell was a shocker, I grew up with him and I’m close to his parents and little brother. It just goes to show you the devil can get anyone if you turn away from God. As much as I liked Chad if he is guilty, I’m sure he is, should spend his life living with what he did.
Chum Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Calm said: I am thinking of S&M myself, not trans. Fair. My personal S&M take: Like most risky behavior, I feel a desire to engage in S&M comes from a damaged place (and everyone has those). Do we have full consent all around? Is the S&M utilized as a form of maintenance that helps head off destructive behavior? If yes then I don't think the S&M is a strong concern. I would however hope that help is being leveraged to address the damage but not everyone has useful access. 2
The Nehor Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 49 minutes ago, Calm said: I am thinking of S&M myself, not trans; bondage stuff. Choking games…that should definitely not be normalized. As there is no safe way to choke someone this is definitely true. 1
The Nehor Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, Chum said: Fair. My personal S&M take: Like most risky behavior, I feel a desire to engage in S&M comes from a damaged place (and everyone has those). Do we have full consent all around? Is the S&M utilized as a form of maintenance that helps head off destructive behavior? If yes then I don't think the S&M is a strong concern. I would however hope that help is being leveraged to address the damage but not everyone has useful access. But how do you feel about the B&D part?
Chum Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 Just now, The Nehor said: But how do you feel about the B&D part? About the same. Tattoos hurt and people get lots of those. I've known abuse victims who got tats to cover scars so I try to not be a snob.
Chum Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Nehor said: As there is no safe way to choke someone this is definitely true. The choking thing feels like we've lost the thread.
Hamba Tuhan Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, The Nehor said: As there is no safe way to choke someone this is definitely true. Anti-choking bigot! 4
The Nehor Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: Anti-choking bigot! There is a mostly safe way to get a similar effect but sharing it would probably get me thread-banned. Or outright banned. I might be a bigot but I am a bigot who has alternatives. Edited July 29, 2022 by The Nehor 3
Hamba Tuhan Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Chum said: The choking thing feels like we've lost the thread. But if I enjoy being choked, do I have a right to demand that footballers publicly celebrate that fact to help address my insatiable craving for validation and 'inclusion'? There, we're back on topic. Edited July 29, 2022 by Hamba Tuhan 2
Vanguard Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: I literally gave a limit earlier. Most of the kink on display at Pride is the tame version in any case. Yes, you suggested only "for special events" and not too often. Wow. Way to take a principled stand! ;o Otherwise, outside of coercion I guess anything goes.
california boy Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Vanguard said: What I don't understand is why can't there be at least some agreement on some of the more provocative displays? Why is smac accused of sparking more faux-outrage when we can see for ourselves much of what transpires at these events? No one has suggested there aren't more respectable displays of LGBT pride but isn't there room for criticizing those elements that continue to push the envelope in front of our children? And yes, I do believe it is a form of sexualization of our children. It's precisely why it was asked the posted pictures be taken down. How can that be if as you say "I like the costumes. The kids see people in weird and fun costumes."? So the pictures are innocuous and to be celebrated or sexually vulgar and trashy? What is the limit because it has already passed mine? And for the record, I would not have taken my kiddos to this type of event just like I would not have taken them to Mardi Gras or the Brazilian Carnival - trust me, I saw how Sao Paulo partied! Good grief! Of course I would agree that gay pride parade may not be appropriate for many children. But it is the parents of these kids that have decided what is appropriate for their children now the pride parade organizers The problem I have with SMAC faux-outrage is because he is using the behavior of a VERY small group in the LGBT community to justify not supporting the entire rest of the community. Once again 3
Chum Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, california boy said: Of course I would agree that gay pride parade may not be appropriate for many children. But it is the parents of these kids that have decided what is appropriate for their children now the pride parade organizers My state's another one. All about parent's rights, unless those parents aren't serving in their their culture war.
Chum Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 55 minutes ago, The Nehor said: There is a mostly safe way to get a similar effect but sharing it would probably get me thread-banned. Or outright banned. I might be a bigot but I am a bigot who has alternatives. In my day we had whippits and we liked them. 1
Chum Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 54 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I have a right to demand Sure. No taking that away until state surveillance is fully deployed.
The Nehor Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 50 minutes ago, Vanguard said: Yes, you suggested only "for special events" and not too often. Wow. Way to take a principled stand! ;o Otherwise, outside of coercion I guess anything goes. I am sorry my principles do not meet your standards. Please don’t burn me as a witch. Or if you do can you make it really dramatic and exciting?
The Nehor Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 56 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: But if I enjoy being choked, do I have a right to demand that footballers publicly celebrate that fact to help address my insatiable craving for validation and 'inclusion'? There, we're back on topic. That would be a utterly ridiculous demand. Mostly because they already got you covered.
Chum Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 1 minute ago, The Nehor said: Please don’t burn me as a witch. Or if you do can you make it really dramatic and exciting? I've never seen a better invite to go binge Stan Against Evil. 1
The Nehor Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, Chum said: I've never seen a better invite to go binge Stan Against Evil. Dr. Cox had a rough retirement. 1
Hamba Tuhan Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 48 minutes ago, The Nehor said: That would be a utterly ridiculous demand. Mostly because they already got you covered. Two problems: That's not rugby. They're not wearing my colours on their jerseys. 1
Popular Post Rain Posted July 29, 2022 Popular Post Posted July 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Chum said: I find it weird that within the church, it is rarely mentioned that porn conditions men to objectify women. It's a fairly prominent and widely accepted issue (tho I can't say how universal it is). You'd think Churchy people would seize on that biscuit to demonize porn but I can't recall ever hearing it mentioned. I find it odd that you have never heard that at church or from church people. I've heard it a lot. 6
smac97 Posted July 29, 2022 Author Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, california boy said: Of course I would agree that gay pride parade may not be appropriate for many children. That was my point. 1 hour ago, california boy said: The problem I have with SMAC faux-outrage is because he is using the behavior of a VERY small group in the LGBT community to justify not supporting the entire rest of the community. Once again Baloney. Once again. Personalizing the thread. Once again. Thanks, -Smac 2
The Nehor Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 42 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: Two problems: That's not rugby. They're not wearing my colours on their jerseys. You said football. Now you want rugby? No pleasing some people. You can’t expect every team to cover every cause. They have to diversify to cover everything.
The Nehor Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, smac97 said: Personalizing the thread. Once again. Why does this keep happening to you? 2
Hamba Tuhan Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, The Nehor said: You said football. Now you want rugby? Americans ... Rugby is football in many parts of Australia, and the OP is clearly talking about Rugby League in particular. Quote You can’t expect every team to cover every cause. I think you've missed the entire point of 'Pride' then. Edited July 29, 2022 by Hamba Tuhan
Vanguard Posted July 29, 2022 Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: I am sorry my principles do not meet your standards. Please don’t burn me as a witch. Or if you do can you make it really dramatic and exciting? Ha! Yes, I can think of some very dramatic ways and as long as it's consensual why not make it public, right?! ; ) And way to pull out the "don't judge me for my principles" martyrdom card! Good grief. "As long as it's a special event and not TOO often" - oh you principled man you... ; )
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