So What Is The Real Plan Of God. Or Is The Plan Of Salvation A Complete Disaster.

[california boy]

Since the time of Christ, the gospel has not even been on the earth for most of the time, except in corrupt forms at best.  Then in 1830 the gospel was restored to the earth once again.  But since the founding of the church, the percentage of people in the world who have found the gospel and embraced it is statistically .000001% or some other incredibly small number.  To claim that joining the church is the path that leads God's children back to eternal life means that the plan of salvation was laid out for a VERY small tiny group of people that are hardly a blip on the screen.  And of that tiny blip, how many are even attending church?

 

So the only obvious conclusion one could possibly draw is that the Plan of Salvation laid out in the pre existence is either a complete and utter failure or that plan of finding the gospel in this life and working out one's salvation was only met for a tiny tiny fraction of God's children.  So what about the other 99.99999% of God's children? It seems like a lot of work to create the earth and run all of us through this process for so few tiny results.  The vast majority of people never even make it to the starting line.  Heck, they never even hear the message of where the starting gate is.  They are born, live their lives and die with no knowledge of this wonderful plan.

 

So what is the real plan of God?  Was this whole process developed just so that after men die, they can be put in a place and taught the gospel then?  Is that the plan?  Was finding the gospel on earth even a part of the plan?  What do you think is the "real" plan of God.  Exactly how will the majority of God's children have a chance at exaltation?  If it is all about the next life and opportunities to hear the gospel there, then why even bother with spending a lifetime on earth?  What are your thoughts?  Is the church statistically even that important in the whole scheme of things?  

[Bobbieaware]

Since the time of Christ, the gospel has not even been on the earth for most of the time, except in corrupt forms at best.  Then in 1830 the gospel was restored to the earth once again.  But since the founding of the church, the percentage of people in the world who have found the gospel and embraced it is statistically .000001% or some other incredibly small number.  To claim that joining the church is the path that leads God's children back to eternal life means that the plan of salvation was laid out for a VERY small tiny group of people that are hardly a blip on the screen.  And of that tiny blip, how many are even attending church?

 

So the only obvious conclusion one could possibly draw is that the Plan of Salvation laid out in the pre existence is either a complete and utter failure or that plan of finding the gospel in this life and working out one's salvation was only met for a tiny tiny fraction of God's children.  So what about the other 99.99999% of God's children? It seems like a lot of work to create the earth and run all of us through this process for so few tiny results.  The vast majority of people never even make it to the starting line.  Heck, they never even hear the message of where the starting gate is.  They are born, live their lives and die with no knowledge of this wonderful plan.

 

So what is the real plan of God?  Was this whole process developed just so that after men die, they can be put in a place and taught the gospel then?  Is that the plan?  Was finding the gospel on earth even a part of the plan?  What do you think is the "real" plan of God.  Exactly how will the majority of God's children have a chance at exaltation?  If it is all about the next life and opportunities to hear the gospel there, then why even bother with spending a lifetime on earth?  What are your thoughts?  Is the church statistically even that important in the whole scheme of things?

Doctrine and Covenants 138 make it clear that by the time all the sons and daughters of men have been resurrected and stand before God to receive final judgement, all will have been taught the Gospel, and all but the son's of perdition will have accepted enough of the Gospel to receive a remission of their sins and an inheritance in one of the Father's many mansions of glory. You neglected to mention that the temple work performed for the dead (ordinances that can only be performed by mortals) has opened -- and will continue to open -- the way of salvation to the majority of the spirits in the spirit world who never had the opportunity to hear the Gospel taught to them on earth. So the answer to your question is that the great majority of the human family will be taught and receive the Gospel in the spirit world, but those who receive the gospel in the spirit world need mortal administrators to perform the necessary proxy ordinances for them. So there's a lot more going on in the Church for the salvation of God"s children than what might first meet the eye.

It's most interesting to observe how one who seeks to find a negative 'take" on the Restored Gospel will have no trouble finding it; while those who seek to find a positive take on the Restored Gospel will have no difficulty finding that as well.

[Mars]

i don't mean to be contradictory, but i don't see a problem.

 

we are living out the parable of the talents.  (the coin kind, not the painting and piano playing kind).  the talents are the laws and precepts of God - concepts, words, testimonies, and other "things" that a person may judge for themselves to either be divine or otherwise.

 

if they accept, they receive blessings.  and more talents.  and improve their relationship with God.

 

if they reject, they lose out on blessings.  it is important to note at this point that the nature of the rejection can temper one's own spirit against future attempts for the Holy Ghost to knock.  it is essential to realize that "rejection" doesn't mean passing up on an opportunity to listen to the missionaries.  or resigning from the Church.  those two incidents may be "rejections," but in the grand sweep of human existence, i am talking about every day opportunities to become more Christlike - however "Christlike" may be understood by the individual in his or her circumstances.

 

not all talents come from two white american boys wearing name tags and carrying a Book of Mormon.  faith, hope, charity, and love - done in the name of any God against any cultural backdrop, is counted for righteousness.  the servant who got 5 talents was blessed the same way the servant who got 2 talents.  i am confident that the servant who received 1 talent would've had a similar outcome had he gone and done something with it.

 

at the end of the day, though, those basic and foundational lines and precepts must be supplemented with the fulness of the Gospel.  hence 2 Nephi 2:27; how great the importance to make these things known unto the inhabitants of the earth.

 

the work moves forward and by the time we're ready to be accountable before our Maker, we will be bereft of excuse.  we will be judged against the light and truth we received at all stages - from the lowest form of truth to the highest - and God will ask what we did with it and why.

 

that's my take, at least.

[Kevin Christensen]

Regarding those who rejected his claims, Joseph Smith commented that:

If I esteem mankind to be in error, shall I bear them down? No. I will lift them up, and in their own way too, if I cannot persuade them my way is better; and I will not seek to compel any man to believe as I do, only by the force of reasoning, for truth will cut its own way. Do you believe in Jesus Christ and the Gospel of salvation which he revealed? So do I. Christians should cease wrangling and contending with each other, and cultivate the principles of union and friendship in their midst; and they will do it before the millennium can be ushered in and Christ takes possession of His kingdom.

In another discourse he offered this:

The great designs of God in relation to the salvation of the human family, are very little understood by the professedly wise and intelligent generation in which we live. Various and conflicting are the opinions of men concerning the plan of salvation, the requisitions of the Almighty, the necessary preparations for heaven, the state and condition of departed spirits, and the happiness or misery that is consequent upon the practice of righteousness and iniquity according to their several notions of virtue and vice.

But while one portion of the human race is judging and condemning the other without mercy, the Great Parent of the universe looks upon the whole of the human family with a fatherly care and paternal regard; He views them as His offspring, and without any of those contracted feelings that influence the children of man, causes "His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." He holds the reins of judgment in His hands; He is a wise Lawgiver, and will judge all men, not according to the narrow, contracted notions of men, but, "according to the deeds done in the body whether they be good or evil," or whether these deeds were done in England, America, Spain, Turkey, or India. He will judge them, "not according to what they have not, but according to what they have," those who have lived without law, will be judged without law, and those who have a law, will by judged by that law. We need not doubt the wisdom and intelligence of the Great Jehovah; He will award judgment or mercy to all nations according to their several deserts, their means of obtaining intelligence, the laws by which they are governed, the facilities afforded them of obtaining correct information, and His inscrutable designs in relation to the human family; and when the designs of God shall be made manifest, and the curtain of futurity be withdrawn, we shall all of us eventually have to confess that the Judge of all the earth has done right.

FWIW

Kevin Christensen

Canonsburgh, PA

[Guest]

To answer the OP, as we know in our faith, and in the early Church the Apostle Paul taught that God has proved a reward for all his children. We also know in any age that those who would have accepted the gospel but never received it would be heirs to the Kigdom of God. It is true that many who believe themselves the elite, like to turn up their noses and think themselves better than others..?They are the ones who should fear and tremble. God is a righteous judge (meaning Christ who will Judge all)...once his grace is applied. After he has exhausted himself trying to squeeze every drop of his blood, all will receive the best reward he can give them, and many the one they have lived for and what. There are those who want no part of meeting with or living with those who strive to be their best and obey every law they can. So once we are living with or near our God, they will feel the same...they will want no part of those they hated and despised in life.

[VideoGameJunkie]

All the work will be done during the millennium to get the entire population caught up to be ready for Final Judgement. Right now is just Little League, before we get up to the Majors in getting temple work done during the millennium.

[Sanpitch]

I'm with California Boy. All the explaining and justifying doesn't change the fact that the whole plan of salvation on this Earth that revolves around Joseph Smith's restoration of the Gospel is just a tiny detail in the story of the Earth's people. In the overall picture it amounts to almost nothing. As I mentioned a few months ago, why wouldn't there have been a book of knowledge for all the Earth's people in their own language, all through history that explained what people need to know. Then there wouldn't be thousands of Christian Churches of different faiths and billions of Muslims and Hindus and on and on. It never made sense to me and if it doesn't make sense it is a little hard to believe.

[filovirus]

Plan of the Eternal Father = Creation of this world + Fall of Adam to get this world populated + Atonement to overcome spiritual and physical death

 

This was done so that all God's children can have immortality and may have eternal life.

 

You can fill in the rest, but those three are the backbone. At some point before the final judgment people will either need to accept Christ as their Redeemer or not, whether in mortal life or the life beyond.

[cinepro]

I don't see what the problem is.  

 

Then again, I was born into a middle-class LDS family in the 1970s.

 

But yeah, looking at the big picture, accepting the gospel (or even hearing it) while living on this planet obviously isn't a big part of the plan.

[Mars]

I'm with California Boy. All the explaining and justifying doesn't change the fact that the whole plan of salvation on this Earth that revolves around Joseph Smith's restoration of the Gospel is just a tiny detail in the story of the Earth's people. In the overall picture it amounts to almost nothing. As I mentioned a few months ago, why wouldn't there have been a book of knowledge for all the Earth's people in their own language, all through history that explained what people need to know. Then there wouldn't be thousands of Christian Churches of different faiths and billions of Muslims and Hindus and on and on. It never made sense to me and if it doesn't make sense it is a little hard to believe.

 

sure, it is just a tiny detail or footnote in the big History of the Earth.

 

as for the bolded part - THERE IS.  for the hindus it's the Bhagavad Gita.  for the muslims it's the Qu'ran.  for the christians it's the Bible.  and on and on and on.

 

the beginning of eternal perfection is you living according to what you believe is right.  it will culminate in the eternities, if chosen, in a full understanding of God and His nature.  this is what we all have access to no matter what.

 

i'm not sure i've heard people seriously arguing that if you don't hear about the Mormon Gospel while alive and accept it before you die and die in good standing, you're up a creek.  that's not scripturally supported, and not echoed by Joseph Smith's quotes as mentioned above.  statistically insignificant mormon percentages?  sure, whatever.

[Duncan]

Since the time of Christ, the gospel has not even been on the earth for most of the time, except in corrupt forms at best.  Then in 1830 the gospel was restored to the earth once again.  But since the founding of the church, the percentage of people in the world who have found the gospel and embraced it is statistically .000001% or some other incredibly small number.  To claim that joining the church is the path that leads God's children back to eternal life means that the plan of salvation was laid out for a VERY small tiny group of people that are hardly a blip on the screen.  And of that tiny blip, how many are even attending church?

 

So the only obvious conclusion one could possibly draw is that the Plan of Salvation laid out in the pre existence is either a complete and utter failure or that plan of finding the gospel in this life and working out one's salvation was only met for a tiny tiny fraction of God's children.  So what about the other 99.99999% of God's children? It seems like a lot of work to create the earth and run all of us through this process for so few tiny results.  The vast majority of people never even make it to the starting line.  Heck, they never even hear the message of where the starting gate is.  They are born, live their lives and die with no knowledge of this wonderful plan.

 

So what is the real plan of God?  Was this whole process developed just so that after men die, they can be put in a place and taught the gospel then?  Is that the plan?  Was finding the gospel on earth even a part of the plan?  What do you think is the "real" plan of God.  Exactly how will the majority of God's children have a chance at exaltation?  If it is all about the next life and opportunities to hear the gospel there, then why even bother with spending a lifetime on earth?  What are your thoughts?  Is the church statistically even that important in the whole scheme of things?  

 

I have had many of the same thoughts

[Guest]

I'm with California Boy. All the explaining and justifying doesn't change the fact that the whole plan of salvation on this Earth that revolves around Joseph Smith's restoration of the Gospel is just a tiny detail in the story of the Earth's people. In the overall picture it amounts to almost nothing. As I mentioned a few months ago, why wouldn't there have been a book of knowledge for all the Earth's people in their own language, all through history that explained what people need to know. Then there wouldn't be thousands of Christian Churches of different faiths and billions of Muslims and Hindus and on and on. It never made sense to me and if it doesn't make sense it is a little hard to believe.

All of these comments reflects a great mistrust in a loving God's wisdom to judge righteously. Also the idea that if he does not save everyone them he is not loving, or if I have chosen to live a life in direct conflict to his commands, then he is unjust for not saving "me" or for not making exceptions for "me". Each of these issues come down to this, if God will not make an exception for "me" and "my" rebellion or forgive those I want forgiven then "I'll" not even try, "I'll" just reject any belief other that universalism, where everyone gets saved regardless of their sins. This sounds inviting, but just is not so. Having faith in God does not just mean believing, but believing his is just in his judgements. It is having faith that is view of all things, and that it is an unobstructed view of all things, not limited by our obstructed view. Or as the Apostle Paul said, "...in this life we see through a glass darkly".

[Duncan]

Regarding those who rejected his claims, Joseph Smith commented that:

If I esteem mankind to be in error, shall I bear them down? No. I will lift them up, and in their own way too, if I cannot persuade them my way is better; and I will not seek to compel any man to believe as I do, only by the force of reasoning, for truth will cut its own way. Do you believe in Jesus Christ and the Gospel of salvation which he revealed? So do I. Christians should cease wrangling and contending with each other, and cultivate the principles of union and friendship in their midst; and they will do it before the millennium can be ushered in and Christ takes possession of His kingdom.

In another discourse he offered this:

The great designs of God in relation to the salvation of the human family, are very little understood by the professedly wise and intelligent generation in which we live. Various and conflicting are the opinions of men concerning the plan of salvation, the requisitions of the Almighty, the necessary preparations for heaven, the state and condition of departed spirits, and the happiness or misery that is consequent upon the practice of righteousness and iniquity according to their several notions of virtue and vice.

But while one portion of the human race is judging and condemning the other without mercy, the Great Parent of the universe looks upon the whole of the human family with a fatherly care and paternal regard; He views them as His offspring, and without any of those contracted feelings that influence the children of man, causes "His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." He holds the reins of judgment in His hands; He is a wise Lawgiver, and will judge all men, not according to the narrow, contracted notions of men, but, "according to the deeds done in the body whether they be good or evil," or whether these deeds were done in England, America, Spain, Turkey, or India. He will judge them, "not according to what they have not, but according to what they have," those who have lived without law, will be judged without law, and those who have a law, will by judged by that law. We need not doubt the wisdom and intelligence of the Great Jehovah; He will award judgment or mercy to all nations according to their several deserts, their means of obtaining intelligence, the laws by which they are governed, the facilities afforded them of obtaining correct information, and His inscrutable designs in relation to the human family; and when the designs of God shall be made manifest, and the curtain of futurity be withdrawn, we shall all of us eventually have to confess that the Judge of all the earth has done right.

FWIW

Kevin Christensen

Canonsburgh, PA

 

 

I get that but wouldn't say a person born in India in the 1200's have the gospel preached to them in the next life, would they still be without law?

[Bobbieaware]

I'm with California Boy. All the explaining and justifying doesn't change the fact that the whole plan of salvation on this Earth that revolves around Joseph Smith's restoration of the Gospel is just a tiny detail in the story of the Earth's people. In the overall picture it amounts to almost nothing. As I mentioned a few months ago, why wouldn't there have been a book of knowledge for all the Earth's people in their own language, all through history that explained what people need to know. Then there wouldn't be thousands of Christian Churches of different faiths and billions of Muslims and Hindus and on and on. It never made sense to me and if it doesn't make sense it is a little hard to believe.

When all is said and done, all will realize the Church of Christ is the very biggest part of the picture. In fact, if the Church were not here, and Elijah hadn't returned to earth to restore the sealing power, the scriptures say the whole earth would have been smitten with a curse that would have spelled doom for all. In ways only the spiritual can understand, the Restored Church of Christ exerts an enormous influence for good in the world far beyond its size.

[Bobbieaware]

I get that but wouldn't say a person born in India in the 1200's have the gospel preached to them in the next life, would they still be without law?

No. Once the Gospel is preached and understood, the law bears sway.

[CV75]

Since the time of Christ, the gospel has not even been on the earth for most of the time, except in corrupt forms at best.  Then in 1830 the gospel was restored to the earth once again.  But since the founding of the church, the percentage of people in the world who have found the gospel and embraced it is statistically .000001% or some other incredibly small number.  To claim that joining the church is the path that leads God's children back to eternal life means that the plan of salvation was laid out for a VERY small tiny group of people that are hardly a blip on the screen.  And of that tiny blip, how many are even attending church?

 

So the only obvious conclusion one could possibly draw is that the Plan of Salvation laid out in the pre existence is either a complete and utter failure or that plan of finding the gospel in this life and working out one's salvation was only met for a tiny tiny fraction of God's children.  So what about the other 99.99999% of God's children? It seems like a lot of work to create the earth and run all of us through this process for so few tiny results.  The vast majority of people never even make it to the starting line.  Heck, they never even hear the message of where the starting gate is.  They are born, live their lives and die with no knowledge of this wonderful plan.

 

So what is the real plan of God?  Was this whole process developed just so that after men die, they can be put in a place and taught the gospel then?  Is that the plan?  Was finding the gospel on earth even a part of the plan?  What do you think is the "real" plan of God.  Exactly how will the majority of God's children have a chance at exaltation?  If it is all about the next life and opportunities to hear the gospel there, then why even bother with spending a lifetime on earth?  What are your thoughts?  Is the church statistically even that important in the whole scheme of things?  

Ask the missionaries, they can help!

 

Here’s a good talk about your very question(s): https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2015/04/where-justice-love-and-mercy-meet?lang=eng

 

“What a plight! The entire human race in free fall—every man, woman, and child in it physically tumbling toward permanent death, spiritually plunging toward eternal anguish. Is that what life was meant to be? Is this the grand finale of the human experience?”

 

The real plan of God is for all His children to be like Him. They can be taught the Gospel any time, but only obtain a body once, and compare the physical with the spiritual existence once. We find the Gospel initially through our conscience and build from there, however long that takes. All will have the opportunity to hear the Gospel, not just the majority. Life is worth living—I think you think yours is! The Church is not about such statistics as you bring up, and that is why it is so important in the whole scheme (plan).

[VideoGameJunkie]

It just seems that 5 million active members out of 7 billion people isn't good numbers for these Latter Days and growth in world population and the evils we're seeing.

[hope_for_things]

You're defining the gospel in finite terms, placing limits on its scope and influence, and the restoration isn’t an event, but a process.  God is not Mormon centric.  God is grace and truth and light and all creation.  Mormonism plays an instrument in the requiem, yet to focus on that one piece distracts from the beauty of the entire performance.  Lets get metaphorical!  :-)  

[Bobbieaware]

It just seems that 5 million active members out of 7 billion people isn't good numbers for these Latter Days and growth in world population and the evils we're seeing.

But do you believe the prophecies of scripture that say the Church of Christ is going to triumph in the most marvelous way possible and totally succeed in its mission?

[The Nehor]

I'm with California Boy. All the explaining and justifying doesn't change the fact that the whole plan of salvation on this Earth that revolves around Joseph Smith's restoration of the Gospel is just a tiny detail in the story of the Earth's people. In the overall picture it amounts to almost nothing. As I mentioned a few months ago, why wouldn't there have been a book of knowledge for all the Earth's people in their own language, all through history that explained what people need to know. Then there wouldn't be thousands of Christian Churches of different faiths and billions of Muslims and Hindus and on and on. It never made sense to me and if it doesn't make sense it is a little hard to believe.

 

God tried that with Adam and again with Noah. It didn't take.

[Robert F. Smith]

I'm with California Boy. All the explaining and justifying doesn't change the fact that the whole plan of salvation on this Earth that revolves around Joseph Smith's restoration of the Gospel is just a tiny detail in the story of the Earth's people. In the overall picture it amounts to almost nothing. As I mentioned a few months ago, why wouldn't there have been a book of knowledge for all the Earth's people in their own language, all through history that explained what people need to know. Then there wouldn't be thousands of Christian Churches of different faiths and billions of Muslims and Hindus and on and on. It never made sense to me and if it doesn't make sense it is a little hard to believe.

Of course it doesn't make any sense and is very hard to believe, if you reject the expansive view of Joseph Smith and his Restoration theology -- which is virtually universalist in its coverage (nobody gets left out) -- which Kevin just quoted.  Salvation is free and for everyone.

 

Sure there is a cadre of God, something which began in earnest with Abram and the Abrahamic Covenant, which is an unconditional covenant of blessing and cursing for the whole planet.  Israel was not chosen because it was large and powerful, but precisely because it was small.  They have a special function and are not supposed to become everything and everyone.  Just so, we Saints of the Last Days have a special apocalyptic function in the wider repertoire of God.

 

All of us come here to obtain physical bodies, and have experience preparatory to godhood.  Some of us will not make it to eternal increase, but all will be saved in glory.  That is God's purpose.  You should be rejoicing about the brilliance of that great Plan of Happiness.

[The Nehor]

We are going to get the opportunity for salvation to everyone who has ever lived or will live on this planet. To say Joseph Smith was a blip on the radar is quite possibly a shortsighted view.

 

The birth of Christ went relatively unremarked by the world. A hundred years later the only people who cared about it were a couple of heretic Jews with some Gentile supporters. Five centuries afterwards a large portion of the world looked to it with some degree of reverence.

 

So let's see how the First Vision looks in another 300 years before we get too overconfident about its insignificance.

[Sanpitch]

Of course it doesn't make any sense and is very hard to believe, if you reject the expansive view of Joseph Smith and his Restoration theology -- which is virtually universalist in its coverage (nobody gets left out) -- which Kevin just quoted.  Salvation is free and for everyone.

 

Sure there is a cadre of God, something which began in earnest with Abram and the Abrahamic Covenant, which is an unconditional covenant of blessing and cursing for the whole planet.  Israel was not chosen because it was large and powerful, but precisely because it was small.  They have a special function and are not supposed to become everything and everyone.  Just so, we Saints of the Last Days have a special apocalyptic function in the wider repertoire of God.

 

All of us come here to obtain physical bodies, and have experience preparatory to godhood.  Some of us will not make it to eternal increase, but all will be saved in glory.  That is God's purpose.  You should be rejoicing about the brilliance of that great Plan of Happiness.

"All of us come here to obtain physical bodies, and have experience preparatory to godhood."

 

Are you saying that godhood is available to us?

[california boy]

Doctrine and Covenants 138 make it clear that by the time all the sons and daughters of men have been resurrected and stand before God to receive final judgement, all will have been taught the Gospel, and all but the son's of perdition will have accepted enough of the Gospel to receive a remission of their sins and an inheritance in one of the Father's many mansions of glory. You neglected to mention that the temple work performed for the dead (ordinances that can only be performed by mortals) has opened -- and will continue to open -- the way of salvation to the majority of the spirits in the spirit world who never had the opportunity to hear the Gospel taught to them on earth. So the answer to your question is that the great majority of the human family will be taught and receive the Gospel in the spirit world, but those who receive the gospel in the spirit world need mortal administrators to perform the necessary proxy ordinances for them. So there's a lot more going on in the Church for the salvation of God"s children than what might first meet the eye.

It's most interesting to observe how one who seeks to find a negative 'take" on the Restored Gospel will have no trouble finding it; while those who seek to find a positive take on the Restored Gospel will have no difficulty finding that as well.

 

Bobbie, this is EXACTLY my point.  For 99.9999% of God's children, there is no path to God in this life.  It ALL happens in the next life.  The vast majority of people living or who have ever lived on earth got on value out of the restoration while on earth.  So was the plan all along that almost EVERYONE would only be taught the gospel after they die?  That is what I am asking.  If you find that a negative "take", you are going to have to explain why.  Because I am only stating reality.

Edited September 17, 2015 by california boy

[california boy]

To answer the OP, as we know in our faith, and in the early Church the Apostle Paul taught that God has proved a reward for all his children. We also know in any age that those who would have accepted the gospel but never received it would be heirs to the Kigdom of God. It is true that many who believe themselves the elite, like to turn up their noses and think themselves better than others..?They are the ones who should fear and tremble. God is a righteous judge (meaning Christ who will Judge all)...once his grace is applied. After he has exhausted himself trying to squeeze every drop of his blood, all will receive the best reward he can give them, and many the one they have lived for and what. There are those who want no part of meeting with or living with those who strive to be their best and obey every law they can. So once we are living with or near our God, they will feel the same...they will want no part of those they hated and despised in life.

 

Again, I am not questioning that eventually all will receive the gospel.  What I am questioning is that the plan seems to be that all will receive the gospel after they die.  Having a church on earth seems to be so unimportant to all but a very few people.  Is this the real plan of salvation????  Because that is how this is all playing out.