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Another Instance of Compelled Speech (Targeting Religious People) (Sorta)

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jkwilliams Grand Master

jkwilliams

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Just now, YJacket said:

If you feel the need to apologize that is fine, you still revealed the true nature of this.

So you are telling me that if someone doesn't agree with you or even if society doesn't agree with you that it is appropriate to kill oneself?

I utterly reject your emotional blackmail. It is not my fault nor societies fault that LGBTQ kill themselves and I refuse to be emotionally manipulated by such tactics.

Let's see if you really are true to your belief that you profess.

If society says that sexual relations with dogs is inappropriate and those who want or desire relationships with dogs now kill themselves, should society then acquiesce to those demands?

What if it is stealing, a huge group of thieves start killing themselves because society says stealing is wrong do we now allow stealing? 

Stating the purpose of pride events, as opposed to your bizarre fantasy about what "they" want, is not emotional blackmail. And conflating nonconsensual crimes with consensual behavior is, well, more than a little disturbed. 

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ttribe Grand Master

ttribe

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22 minutes ago, YJacket said:

If you feel the need to apologize that is fine, you still revealed the true nature of this.

So you are telling me that if someone doesn't agree with you or even if society doesn't agree with you that it is appropriate to kill oneself?

I utterly reject your emotional blackmail. It is not my fault nor societies fault that LGBTQ kill themselves and I refuse to be emotionally manipulated by such tactics.

Let's see if you really are true to your belief that you profess.

If society says that sexual relations with dogs is inappropriate and those who want or desire relationships with dogs now kill themselves, should society then acquiesce to those demands?

What if it is stealing, a huge group of thieves start killing themselves because society says stealing is wrong do we now allow stealing? 

There it is; the inevitable comparison of homosexuality to bestiality and criminal activity. Talk about revealing...

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Chum Grand Master

Chum

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2 minutes ago, ttribe said:

There it is; the inevitable comparison of homosexuality to bestiality and criminal activity. Talk about revealing...

Would that be known as the YT Effect or Ttribe's Law?

I think the latter aligns with the precedent set by Godwin's Law (compared with the Streisand Effect).

YJacket Collaborator

YJacket

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8 minutes ago, ttribe said:

There it is; the inevitable comparison of homosexuality to bestiality and criminal activity. Talk about revealing...

Yes, the word of God talks about it in the same breadth as incest, bestiality and everything else.

You got a problem with it, take it up with God, clearly you don't believe in the Bible. 

ttribe Grand Master

ttribe

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1 minute ago, Chum said:

Would that be known as the YT Effect or Ttribe's Law?

I think the latter aligns with the precedent set by Godwin's Law (compared with the Streisand Effect).

Definitely don't want anything named after me, but the pattern is consistent, sad, and infuriating.

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YJacket Collaborator

YJacket

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16 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

Stating the purpose of pride events, as opposed to your bizarre fantasy about what "they" want, is not emotional blackmail. And conflating nonconsensual crimes with consensual behavior is, well, more than a little disturbed. 

You emotionally blackmail people by mentioning that if they don't get what they want they will kill themselves.

 

Just be honest about it 

ttribe Grand Master

ttribe

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2 minutes ago, YJacket said:

Yes, the word of God talks about it in the same breadth as incest, bestiality and everything else.

You got a problem with it, take it up with God, clearly you don't believe in the Bible. 

That's your response? It's in the Bible?

Are you pro-slavery? That's in the Bible.

Are you anti-wearing clothes of mixed fabrics? That's in the Bible.

Do you believe in unicorns and giants? Those are in the Bible.

Loving your neighbor is in the Bible, too, but you don't seem to believe in that one.

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ttribe Grand Master

ttribe

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1 minute ago, YJacket said:

You emotionally blackmail people by mentioning that if they don't get what they want they will kill themselves.

 

Just be honest about it 

You 'utterly reject' the alleged "emotional blackmail" because the subject of suicide rates forces you to face the fact that the people in the LBGTQ community are real people with real feelings and emotions who are harmed by your rhetoric. It's your defense mechanism and you link that up with comparisons to bestiality and criminality just to add some icing on the cake.

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jkwilliams Grand Master

jkwilliams

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11 minutes ago, YJacket said:

You emotionally blackmail people by mentioning that if they don't get what they want they will kill themselves.

 

Just be honest about it 

I explained the purpose of pride events. It’s not about “getting what they want,” whatever that is. It’s about letting people know they are loved and accepted, period. And yes, these kinds of events do prevent suicide. Your personal feelings are irrelevant. 

 

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Chum Grand Master

Chum

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4 minutes ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

You left off wearing clothes made from linen and wool. Your God has issues. 

I can't worship someone who won't cotton to my need to breathe.

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Tacenda Grand Master

Tacenda

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33 minutes ago, Calm said:

There has not be enough research into cannabis to say this definitely, though the risk is likely quite low.  And there has been at least one death due to dehydration and kidney failure as a result of regular cannabis use ( https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326357 ).   But cannabis impairs judgment and motor skills and those can kill you if you are stupid enough to drive under the influence or do something else dangerous.  And it can result in significant apathy, which may cause one to neglect oneself or others, so there are risks to using it.

Plus cannabis caused illnesses can be significant…

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/327126#health-risks

Yes, should have showed the exceptions. But I was thinking like the initial use of these inhalants. 

Chum Grand Master

Chum

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31 minutes ago, Calm said:

There has not be enough research into cannabis to say this definitely, though the risk is likely quite low.  And there has been at least one death due to dehydration and kidney failure as a result of regular cannabis use ( https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326357 ).   But cannabis impairs judgment and motor skills and those can kill you if you are stupid enough to drive under the influence or do something else dangerous.  And it can result in significant apathy, which may cause one to neglect oneself or others, so there are risks to using it.

Plus cannabis caused illnesses can be significant…

You keep describing alcohol.

Regarding cannabis, is your objection with decriminalization or with it's existence or with any use or with recreational use or with recreational use without proper care?

YJacket Collaborator

YJacket

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17 minutes ago, ttribe said:

That's your response? It's in the Bible?

Are you pro-slavery? That's in the Bible.

Are you anti-wearing clothes of mixed fabrics? That's in the Bible.

Do you believe in unicorns and giants? Those are in the Bible.

Loving your neighbor is in the Bible, too, but you don't seem to believe in that one.

Clearly you don't read the Bible.

The part that speaks directly about homosexuality also speaks directly about incest, like literally it is the same chapter. 

So you are for incest I take it, you disregard the part about homosexuality so lets disregard incest, infidelity, bestiality, etc because all of that is in the exact same chapter.

None of the other fallacious arguments you make are discussed at all in the exact same chapter as homosexuality.  You use scripture to bully your viewpoint, but you do not even know them well enough to use them to do that 

Chum Grand Master

Chum

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5 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Yes, should have showed the exceptions. But I was thinking like the initial use of these inhalants. 

If I may put the Pedantic in PSA, Cannabis isn't an inhalant.

YJacket Collaborator

YJacket

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15 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

I explained the purpose of pride events. It’s not about “getting what they want,” whatever that is. It’s about letting people know they are loved and accepted, period. And yes, these kinds of events do prevent suicide. Your personal feelings are irrelevant. 

 

And so what. If murder parades made murders feel better about themselves it would not negate the fact that they have committed a horrific act. 

jkwilliams Grand Master

jkwilliams

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3 minutes ago, YJacket said:

And so what. If murder parades made murders feel better about themselves it would not negate the fact that they have committed a horrific act. 

Again, conflating consensual behavior with crime (murder, even). Yikes. 

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pogi Grand Master

pogi

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21 minutes ago, YJacket said:

You are bad at this read the previous verse. 

The previous verse wouldn't help me be any more happy doing such an atrocious thing.  You?

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jkwilliams Grand Master

jkwilliams

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32 minutes ago, ttribe said:

That's your response? It's in the Bible?

Are you pro-slavery? That's in the Bible.

Are you anti-wearing clothes of mixed fabrics? That's in the Bible.

Do you believe in unicorns and giants? Those are in the Bible.

Loving your neighbor is in the Bible, too, but you don't seem to believe in that one.

If nothing else, this guy is unintentionally (I think) making a good case for separation of church and state. 

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ttribe Grand Master

ttribe

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12 minutes ago, YJacket said:

Clearly you don't read the Bible.

The part that speaks directly about homosexuality also speaks directly about incest, like literally it is the same chapter. 

So you are for incest I take it, you disregard the part about homosexuality so lets disregard incest, infidelity, bestiality, etc because all of that is in the exact same chapter.

None of the other fallacious arguments you make are discussed at all in the exact same chapter as homosexuality.  You use scripture to bully your viewpoint, but you do not even know them well enough to use them to do that 

So because the other items I noted are not physically adjacent in the tome that is the Bible, you get to dismiss them from the argument? You sure like your cafeteria approach to faith, it seems.

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