Robert F. Smith Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 2 hours ago, rodheadlee said: Forgive me Father for I have sinned. One more strong indicator of the entirely voluntary nature of the LDS faith. The emphasis seems to be on personal initiative. Can a dynamic church survive on such a non-hierarchical approach? Is the Holy Spirit enough to keep it together? Are the centrifugal forces too great? F = m ω 2 r 1
Orthodox Christian Posted February 1, 2022 Posted February 1, 2022 On 1/30/2022 at 9:39 PM, rodheadlee said: Forgive me Father for I have sinned. Why is it too bad that you don't have confession?
rodheadlee Posted February 1, 2022 Author Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Orthodox Christian said: Why is it too bad that you don't have confession? Well I have some bad thoughts I need to get off my chest. It seems to work for Marlene Ciampi. Edited February 1, 2022 by rodheadlee
The Nehor Posted February 15, 2022 Posted February 15, 2022 I would feel bad for any confessor that had to endure a recitation of my sins.
poptart Posted February 15, 2022 Posted February 15, 2022 Give me your money and I'll absolve you of your sins. 1
Calm Posted February 15, 2022 Posted February 15, 2022 On 1/31/2022 at 8:27 PM, rodheadlee said: It seems to work for Marlene Ciampi. You’ve been reading a book and it started you thinking it would be nice? (Had to look up the name.)
Olmec Donald Posted February 15, 2022 Posted February 15, 2022 I went to Catholic schools for a while when I was a kid. I remember one time in eighth grade the cool kids let me hang out with them as they waited their turns to go to confession. Unbeknownst to me, apparently they had this secret competition going on where they tried to confess something so outrageous that it would elicit a reaction from the elderly priest. Apparently he was pretty hard to shock. Anyway one of the boys evidently hit the jackpot, because all of a sudden we heard the old priest roar with a voice like thunder, "You did WHAT???" I can't think of a good take-home lesson from that story, but it's among my most fond memories from eighth grade. 2
rodheadlee Posted February 15, 2022 Author Posted February 15, 2022 49 minutes ago, Calm said: You’ve been reading a book and it started you thinking it would be nice? (Had to look up the name.) Yeah, Marlene is a bada×÷ woman. She's Catholic and she's married to a Jew. It's pretty interesting reading. 1
poptart Posted February 15, 2022 Posted February 15, 2022 Joking aside, just my opinion on things like confession. This kinda got me in trouble which is partially why I could never sincerely convert to the Christian religion, at least as it is in the USA. You seem to have a level head on your shoulders, good taste in music and I'm guessing a solid LDS upbringing, I'd think you wouldn't need something like confession. Just my opinion here, good luck with whatever problems you may have. 2
The Nehor Posted February 15, 2022 Posted February 15, 2022 8 hours ago, poptart said: Give me your money and I'll absolve you of your sins. Sorry, there is a verse of the Book of Mormon that explicitly says that this is a terrible idea. Well, for the person paying anyways.
poptart Posted February 15, 2022 Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, The Nehor said: Sorry, there is a verse of the Book of Mormon that explicitly says that this is a terrible idea. Well, for the person paying anyways. That's ok, the Church of Poptart is quite tolerant of all religions and creeds, you are welcome to confess your sins and give me your money, forgiveness is that easy. BTW, I have something none of those other religions have, a super fast direct line to God. Know what enables me to do? Make super prayers! My super prayers that only I can do have the ability to bypass all the other prayers and get right to God himself, now. As soon as I get that donati- Uh, love gift, I'll get that super prayer combined with a no cost confession ready. Edited February 15, 2022 by poptart
Saint Bonaventure Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 Priests need discernment to tell the difference between someone bragging and someone confessing. 4
MiserereNobis Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 I love confession. I think it can be appreciated, too, from a strictly secular psychological point-of-view: a ritual that allows us to move beyond our past mistakes. I think the ritual is key. It's not just sitting down telling someone your mistakes -- it's a ritual that concludes with absolution, so it's more than just telling. Of course, I think it is more than just psychological, but this is how I try to explain it to atheist friends who have such a negative view of it. I like the muted light in the confessional, the crucifix right in front of me to remind me how all of this is possible, the screen between me and the priest, the whole thing. Confession is a beautiful sacrament. 4
Saint Bonaventure Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 4 hours ago, MiserereNobis said: I love confession. I think it can be appreciated, too, from a strictly secular psychological point-of-view: a ritual that allows us to move beyond our past mistakes. I think the ritual is key. It's not just sitting down telling someone your mistakes -- it's a ritual that concludes with absolution, so it's more than just telling. Of course, I think it is more than just psychological, but this is how I try to explain it to atheist friends who have such a negative view of it. I like the muted light in the confessional, the crucifix right in front of me to remind me how all of this is possible, the screen between me and the priest, the whole thing. Confession is a beautiful sacrament. Amen.
Orthodox Christian Posted March 4, 2022 Posted March 4, 2022 On 2/17/2022 at 3:35 PM, MiserereNobis said: I love confession. I think it can be appreciated, too, from a strictly secular psychological point-of-view: a ritual that allows us to move beyond our past mistakes. I think the ritual is key. It's not just sitting down telling someone your mistakes -- it's a ritual that concludes with absolution, so it's more than just telling. Of course, I think it is more than just psychological, but this is how I try to explain it to atheist friends who have such a negative view of it. I like the muted light in the confessional, the crucifix right in front of me to remind me how all of this is possible, the screen between me and the priest, the whole thing. Confession is a beautiful sacrament. Confession isn't easy is it. However, it is a tremendous lesson in humility, trust in God, and healing. We are very blessed to have such a sacrament of mercy. 1
Raingirl Posted March 5, 2022 Posted March 5, 2022 5 hours ago, Lazarus 61 said: I'm glad you like it, but don't like it so much that you intentionally sin while knowing you can always be forgiven. What a rude and inappropriate thing to say. 1
Raingirl Posted March 6, 2022 Posted March 6, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Lazarus 61 said: Is what I said something you think is okay to think and hope for but not okay to say openly with words? I would apply that thought to someone saying something that I think is rude. This thread is about confession so I am being open regarding confession. How do you feel about my other comment about how our Lord has said we should always forgive everybody? It isn't only priests who have the power to forgive every sin. It was rude, inappropriate, and arrogant to say or to think. It’s not necessary to share every thought one has. You’re not “being open”, you’re being inappropriate and judgmental. You’re making accusations about another person that you have no business making. Edited March 6, 2022 by Raingirl
Raingirl Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Lazarus 61 said: If you think it is wrong to share one's own thoughts with others, then take your own medicine, please., Do you not see that everything you said to me could also be applied to you? Maybe you're doing it better than I am. I can't tell. I'll watch you more carefully now and will try to share my thoughts as well as you share yours. Goodnight, Ahab.
Tacenda Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 8 hours ago, Raingirl said: Goodnight, Ahab. Ha, didn't think about that!
SwedishLDS Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 On 2/15/2022 at 1:10 AM, The Nehor said: I would feel bad for any confessor that had to endure a recitation of my sins. This! Bishops have a tough calling. You can of course confess to them. Having a confidant can be really important though, whether that be a friend, a wife or family. God is of course also important 1
Orthodox Christian Posted March 22, 2022 Posted March 22, 2022 It is many years in the Catholic Church since indulgences were paid connected with absolution, so it seems inappropriate that this keeps being referred to. Should we keep dragging up less than savoury episodes in LDS history? I don't think that Orthodoxy has ever espoused this practice, neither do we support a system of merits. However, we do have confession, which I have said is not easy. Real soul searching never is. The humility (God given through prayer and repentence) doesn't always come naturally, and pride and embarrassment sometimes can make it difficult. The belief that we feel that we can sin deliberately, knowing we have confession as a safety net, for most who go to confession, is false. We believe that confession to a spiritual father is a gift of God which, because we trust His mercy to forgive, brings the grace of forgiveness. Neither the penitent nor the Priest takes it lightly. Go and sin no more, is very much in our mind as we leave confession, and we seek God's grace to help us. Of course we fall, but we get up and start over, trusting in God's mercy, and we carry on in our walk. Confession, rightly practiced is a gift of healing. 3
3DOP Posted April 24, 2022 Posted April 24, 2022 On 3/22/2022 at 5:09 AM, Orthodox Christian said: It is many years in the Catholic Church since indulgences were paid connected with absolution, so it seems inappropriate that this keeps being referred to. Should we keep dragging up less than savoury episodes in LDS history? I don't think that Orthodoxy has ever espoused this practice, neither do we support a system of merits. However, we do have confession, which I have said is not easy. Real soul searching never is. The humility (God given through prayer and repentence) doesn't always come naturally, and pride and embarrassment sometimes can make it difficult. The belief that we feel that we can sin deliberately, knowing we have confession as a safety net, for most who go to confession, is false. We believe that confession to a spiritual father is a gift of God which, because we trust His mercy to forgive, brings the grace of forgiveness. Neither the penitent nor the Priest takes it lightly. Go and sin no more, is very much in our mind as we leave confession, and we seek God's grace to help us. Of course we fall, but we get up and start over, trusting in God's mercy, and we carry on in our walk. Confession, rightly practiced is a gift of healing. OC...hey. I think you will agree. "Go and sin no more" is on the mind also as we APPROACH confession. The faithful fear to sin presumptively, as though the grace will automatically be available for a good confession. I don't believe in that without a through conversion. If one sins gravely on purpose, with the idea that they think they will have the grace to make a good confession, with the necessary dispositions to earnestly try to discontinue a bad habit or renounce a single sin that separates the soul from God? No. The priests to whom I confess say often, before giving absolution, "Thank God now for the grace of a good confession." It isn't the Catholic or I think, Orthodox faith, that could have much hope for a soul that deliberately sins, thinking that some mechanical sacrament will restore union with God. That cannot be an act of faith, or hope, or charity. It would be a terrible sacrilege and misunderstanding of the Sacrament. It is easy to ape the words, but without grace, the dispositions cannot be presumed. 2
3DOP Posted April 24, 2022 Posted April 24, 2022 On 1/30/2022 at 3:39 PM, rodheadlee said: Forgive me Father for I have sinned. rod, that is what we say. It has been "such and such time since my last confession". On 2/14/2022 at 7:06 PM, Olmec Donald said: I went to Catholic schools for a while when I was a kid. I remember one time in eighth grade the cool kids let me hang out with them as they waited their turns to go to confession. Unbeknownst to me, apparently they had this secret competition going on where they tried to confess something so outrageous that it would elicit a reaction from the elderly priest. Apparently he was pretty hard to shock. Anyway one of the boys evidently hit the jackpot, because all of a sudden we heard the old priest roar with a voice like thunder, "You did WHAT???" I can't think of a good take-home lesson from that story, but it's among my most fond memories from eighth grade. Taking your story at face value, those boys didn't have the faith. Neither did the priest. There is no sin that would cause a faithful priest to shout so that anyone else could hear. Or maybe he knew the youth was lying? Still, he shoudn't have shouted. The priest is an alter Christus. Our poor Catholic youth. They were speaking to Jesus. What terrible times for the Church. I am truly sorry for your experience of unfaithful Catholic observance. Kyrie Eleison, Christe Eleison, Kyrie Eleison. I would be frightened beyond words to make such mock of Christ's mercy that your frivolous school chums took so lightly. True horror. 3
Chum Posted April 24, 2022 Posted April 24, 2022 On 2/14/2022 at 8:06 PM, Olmec Donald said: I went to Catholic schools for a while when I was a kid. I remember one time in eighth grade the cool kids let me hang out with them as they waited their turns to go to confession. Unbeknownst to me, apparently they had this secret competition going on where they tried to confess something so outrageous that it would elicit a reaction from the elderly priest. My first ever confession in 6th grade (Catholic school) required 3 priests. The first two felt heard my confession and sent me up the chain until I arrived at Father Peter, the parish priest.
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