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  1. Public shaming surely is never acceptable. As you say compassion and guidance, true pastoral care, is what is needed to set someone back on the right path. Judgementalism, is never acceptable to God.
  2. So what are Sloppy Joes. In the UK a sloppy jo was a loose t shirt. I remember many years ago on a cruise I was at the breakfast bar, and there was a dish of grits. I looked at a young boy next to me who was enthusiastically helpng himself, and asked him what grits were. He gave me an incredulous stare with very large brown eyes and said 'You don't know what grits are?' I honestly felt as though I had just landed ๐Ÿ™„
  3. Seems to be a wise move. It allows users to get a feel for someone and newbies to do the same, and then they can decide whether to stay or not.
  4. Were you a loner at school? Have you always found relationships difficult?
  5. Not true. The apostles passed on their authority to the bisishops that they ordained. If it were true that the authority given by Christ to the Apostles was only meant to be here whilst the Apostles lived, what would be the point of that? The Bible tells us that Christ is with us forever, and that the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church. And what of the Holy Spirit who came to the Church in His fullness at Pentecost? He is the power of the Church to survive anything. Did He go on a sabbatical till Joseph Smith showed up? The Orthodox and Catholic churches are Apostolic, the authority of the Apostles having been handed down (traditio) to those they ordained to (put under orders). Christ established His Church upon the foundation of the Apostles with Himself as its chief cornerstone. What would be the point of the great commission if the Church was only to last a generation? Did Christ set the Church up to fail, to disappear. No He did not!
  6. Can you clarify for me please. Why does anything that you put in your body affect the perception of worthiness. Christ himself said that what you put in your body does not defile, but what is in the heart, or what is within us that defiles. So, while it's pretty sensible to try and take care of our health, and abstain from certain things, it seems that what makes us unworthy is the state of our inner selves, our souls. We all know that we can put on an outward show for whatever reason, for going to church for example, but be totally the opposite inside. The same applies to going into any space regarded as sacred, but God sees what is within, isn't cleaning the inside of the cup more important, so that we don't come before God as whitewashed tombs?
  7. I have to apologise. Even when I first wrote this I had a sneaking feeling that it was wrong. It kept niggling at me, so I looked it up. The correct reason for Moses being denied entry into the Promised Land is here: Numbers 20:11-12. I don't know wher I read what I posted before, but it is clearly wrong. So I humbly apologise for my error.
  8. Don't you think we are living through the foretold apostacy now? I mean with various kinds of punishments through the law if people adhere to their Christian principles. In all honesty Britain can't really be described as a Christian country, that is widely acknowledged, and if it were so described somebody would complain about being offended. Then on an individual basis; most do not go to any church, neither are they baptised nor confess any belief. Is it like this in the US?
  9. The promise of the Jews remained through Christ as it does to all of us. David's line is eternal through Christ. It behoves Jews to accept Christ as their Saviour as it does the rest of us. We have become the new Israel, neither Jew, nor Greek but all of us saved in Christ. All who accept Christ are grafted in , God has no partiality. Christ is our temple, He is the salvation of the Jews, and since Christ the Gentiles too. The Jews will come into their own when they now the knee to their Saviour, as is the case for everyone.
  10. Option B the women were treated as possessions, and in this case were given as the spoils of war. God have them into David's care, He did not command him to marry them. David was free to do with them as he pleased. As I have stated before, polygamy, or for that matter the keeping of slaves was not condemned by God, in His forbearance He chose to overlook it. That is His prerogative, it is also His mercy. He also chose to overlook the murder commited by Moses, a capitol crime, although Moses was not allowed to enter the promised Land through it. But was obviously favoured by God as he was there at the transfiguration. Option C Out of the depths have I cried to thee O Lord. Lord hear my voice: let thine ears be attentive to the voice of my supplications. If thou , Lord,should mark our iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand. But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared. Psalm 130 And again: But You, Lord are a compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness. Psalm 86 In our liturgy we ask God to despise not the works of His hands for He is the only lover of mankind. I think that that the forbearance if God comes from His love and compassion, which are sometimes beyond comprehension to us, but I believe that is what we must rest on. For me that's option C
  11. I think that you see polygamous marriage as so important because it is according to LDS theology. If it had been that important there would me more to support it than vague texts. If it were an eternal principle then I would have expected it to be commanded somewhere in the Bible.
  12. As I stated above, the principle established by God was one man and one woman. God, in his forbearance did not codemn it, but did not command it. The commandment is of the original principle. As Christians, surely we should follow what Christ taught when He reiterated God's will for marriage which was one and one woman. I stand by what I posted.
  13. But if we interpret according to our own thinking, surely that is according to our own philosophy and is a phylosophy of men, or women? Is it really just words? Can we just dismiss it like that? That, to me is like building a house on shifting sands.
  14. I can't explain away anything. It seems to me that these verses show God's forbearance, patience and mercy towards a stubborn and sinful chosen people. In these verses Moses is showing how to manage polygamy, God is not commanding it but is acknowledging that it exists, even Moses was a polygamist, one of a long line. We read many times of God's forbearance, for example Romans 3: 23-26 Nehemiah 9: 30 Genesis 23-32 And there are more. This is God's perogative I suppose, but the principle that was commanded by Him was one man one woman. Reiterated by Christ and St Paul. If polygamy was part of His plan then he could have created more than one woman for Adam. But He didn't. He commanded them to replenish the earth, just the two of them. That polygamy became a societal/tribal norm, which to some extent is understandable given the need to build of the tribe for economic/security reasons taking into account infant and maternal mortality, does not mean that it was sanctioned by God. In fact according to Christ that first principal still stands. In order to present polygamy as instituted by God you have to ignore what He has shown in scripture.
  15. It seems to me that all you are saying here, is that we can read the gospel and interpret it anyway we like according to our own reasoning, and the attribute the resulting interpretation to God. In this way, surely we create our own gospel which fits in with what we want to believe. I thought you said scholasticism is dead?๐Ÿค” This is rationalism surely, believing that our thoughts are above what is actually written.
  16. David was not commanded to practice polygamy. The wives of his enemy were given to him as spoils of war with other spoils. What David did with them was up to him but he wasn't commanded to marry them.
  17. The Jews were favoured by God through Abraham. After Noah and the Flood there was a new start and God declared that He would not destroy the world again by flood. The covenant made with Abraham subsequently I believe initiated or brought in an era of God's forbearance in which He could, through His mercy and patience,choose to overlook certain behaviours that He did not institute. The Mosaic Law given later by Moses is naturally still practiced because they rejected their Saviour, so they are still under the Old Covenant having rejected the new. However, they are no longer exclusively favoured by God since through Christ that favour is extended to Gentiles, to all in fact.
  18. There is also a very informative book by Professor Eugenia Constantiniou : Thinking Orthodox. In this she discusses the Orthodox phronema, or mindset. I believe she has also discussed this on YouTube.
  19. There are several available through Amazon . However St George's Greek Orthodox Church has a downloadable PDF file which you might find interesting. Catechism of the Orthodox Faith | Saint George Greek Orthodox Cathedral Catechism of the Orthodox Faith | Saint George Greek Orthodox Cathedral
  20. My answer here was not complicated, I don't feel it necessary to provide points. I have learned through these boards how many on here play with words, and make a simple statement complicated through the complicated use of semantics, and before you know the whole conversation is hijacked onto a tack that you are comfortable with. Those of us who are not LDS begin to look very warily upon LDS responses.
  21. Thank you for engaging, I am trying to understand, to grasp all this. For us, the gospel is written. In these last days God has spoken through His Son, where previously he spoke through the prophets. For us the last prophet was John the Baptist, who symbolised the end of the old covenant of the Law and the beginning of the new covenant of grace. John was the link between the old and the new. For us the Gospel does not change, the message is for every generation, it has no need of restoration. So trying to understand your perspective is not easy.
  22. I wasn't criticising I was merely making a common sense observation. And surely people have a right to critically appraise the claims of Joseph Smith, after all they are pretty incredible.
  23. So the Gospel can be anything you want it to be, according to whoever your prophet might be, who can 'restore' as he sees things. Then why did Joseph Smith reinstitute archaic practices like polygamy? How was something that was thousands of years old worthy of being restored into the 19th century and into the lives and mindset of his 19th century contemporaries?
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