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Chum Grand Master

Chum

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1 minute ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Holding my breath waiting for the post that argues that medical boards are just bullying (and silencing/censoring?) doctors like this one

Are you a seer? I'll bet were about to find out you are.

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Hamba Tuhan Grand Master

Hamba Tuhan

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3 minutes ago, Chum said:

Are you a seer? I'll bet were about to find out you are.

Or is it like a discussion board version of the Heisenberg Principle? By mentioning it we've now prevented its occurrence?

Chum Grand Master

Chum

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58 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Or is it like a discussion board version of the Heisenberg Principle? By mentioning it we've now prevented its occurrence?

Nothing can prevent it's appearance. Conspiratorial thinking isn't interested in your physics.

carbon dioxide Grand Master

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With all the new variants of COVID popping up, it sort of reminds me of the scourge that is spoken of in D&C 5:18-19.

18 And their testimony shall also go forth unto the condemnation of this generation if they harden their hearts against them;

19 For a desolating scourge shall go forth among the inhabitants of the earth, and shall continue to be poured out from time to time, if they repent not, until the earth is empty, and the inhabitants thereof are consumed away and utterly destroyed by the brightness of my coming.

This scourge seems to be one that just persists, comes in waves, and is never overcome.  Perhaps COVID is not it but it perhaps is a dry run for something greater coming in the future. 

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bsjkki Grand Master

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@pogi What are the recommended covid treatment of care protocols? Is it the monoclonal antibodies? Anything else? Just curious. I have a plethora of family members who are sick.

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ttribe Grand Master

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3 hours ago, T-Shirt said:

No, I want you to show evidence that a doctor could lose his medical license for simply prescribing or administering ivermectin for the purpose of treating Covid.  I am perfectly willing to accept it if you can provide it.

You want me to show you proof for something that could happen? Are you serious?

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Chum Grand Master

Chum

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9 hours ago, bsjkki said:

Do you really think a they will take away his medical license

I can't say.

9 hours ago, bsjkki said:

prescribing  a safe drug for an off label use that produces no harm to any patients?

This seems loaded with assumptions.

This question might be easier to answer. Would it be reasonable for the board to pull the license of a Dr, who is Rx medicine for a use that is - not only unapproved by the FDA but never passed thru FDA Phase III trials - in an institutional setting (w/ it's own regs), against the patients' will?

Yeah. It might.

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15 hours ago, pogi said:

I have no problem with that, if it is effective.  Let’s wait and see.  I haven’t seen anything too promising that would prompt me to pay for an expensive drug with little to no benefit.  I think you know that the majority of people promoting this drug are antivaxers though.

This is what bothers me.  Why the labeling?  I have to admit that prior to getting the shots, I had some questions about the rush to get the vaccine to market.  It seemed awfully quick.  I got the vaccine anyway due to some other health problems I have. 

Then it seems there is this war on information that might put the vaccines in a less favorable light and over the top attacks on anything in competition with the vaccines.  It doesn't look as though we are looking for what works.  So what if an antivaxer promotes this or that.  Let's be skeptical yet let's research what works regardless of who makes a profit.

Chum Grand Master

Chum

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1 hour ago, Robert J Anderson said:

This is what bothers me.  Why the labeling?  I have to admit that prior to getting the shots, I had some questions about the rush to get the vaccine to market.  It seemed awfully quick.  I got the vaccine anyway due to some other health problems I have. 

Instead of the anti-vax'rs label, how about Covid Conspiracy Theorists? One advantage is we could acronym their YT channels as CCTV.

T-Shirt Mentor

T-Shirt

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10 hours ago, ttribe said:

You want me to show you proof for something that could happen? Are you serious?

You are the one who said this:

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If there are doctors prescribing it for Covid, despite the FDA's warning, they are at risk of losing their licenses.

Was that just your opinion or is there some other basis for it.

ttribe Grand Master

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19 minutes ago, T-Shirt said:

You are the one who said this:

Was that just your opinion or is there some other basis for it.

I said "they are at risk," then I provided you information on licensing boards.  I didn't say anyone had been brought before a board for it, yet.  @Chumfilled in that blank.

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pogi Grand Master

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2 hours ago, Robert J Anderson said:

This is what bothers me.  Why the labeling?  I have to admit that prior to getting the shots, I had some questions about the rush to get the vaccine to market.  It seemed awfully quick.  I got the vaccine anyway due to some other health problems I have. 

Then it seems there is this war on information that might put the vaccines in a less favorable light and over the top attacks on anything in competition with the vaccines.  It doesn't look as though we are looking for what works.  So what if an antivaxer promotes this or that.  Let's be skeptical yet let's research what works regardless of who makes a profit.

Vaccine hesitancy is one thing.  Antivaxers (I use that label because it is easier than saying people who fight vaccination efforts) who promote unproven drugs in place of vaccines, is a whole other issue.  How is it that you are more offended at the label than you are at what they are doing?  People are needlessly poisoning themselves and being harmed by Covid due to their efforts.  I am nota talking about passive vaccine hesitancy.  I am talking about active campaigns to fight vaccination and promote unproven and drugs which are harming people.

I have no problem with "researching what works".  That is not what these people are doing.  They denying the extremely strong research on vaccines (Which work) and promoting medicine with has little to no research to convince ICU docs to use and trust it. 

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Chum Grand Master

Chum

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10 minutes ago, pogi said:

I have no problem with "researching what works".  That is not what these people are doing.  They denying the extremely strong research on vaccines (Which work) and promoting medicine with has little to no research to convince ICU docs to use and trust it. 

This is a good synopsis.

Tacenda Grand Master

Tacenda

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1 hour ago, Chum said:

Instead of the anti-vax'rs label, how about Covid Conspiracy Theorists? One advantage is we could acronym their YT channels as CCTV.

Yeppers

pogi Grand Master

pogi

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12 hours ago, bsjkki said:

@pogi What are the recommended covid treatment of care protocols? Is it the monoclonal antibodies? Anything else? Just curious. I have a plethora of family members who are sick.

Treatment of Covid is not my area of expertise.  I wish I could give some better guidance.  

Yes, I hear that monoclonal antibodies given early is effective.  Aspirin is often used to help reduce clotting that can affect people. There is vitamin D and probably a few other things that might be of some mild/moderate benefit.  Anything to reduce inflammation would likely be of benefit.  Steroids are often used in severe cases, but turmeric or other NSAID probably wouldn't be a bad idea for mild/moderate cases.  Obviously, oxygenation is the big thing in serious cases.   But I am not really in a position to give medical advise on this.  These are just some suggestions to look into and talk to their PCP about. 

I am sorry to hear they are sick.  I hope all goes well for you and your family members.   

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Chum Grand Master

Chum

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An 8-week mask-awareness campaign in Bangladesh across 300 villages (+300 "control" villages 2+km away where mask-awareness did not happen) lead to a 29% increase in mask usage and an 11% decrease in COVID19 cases (up to 35% decrease for over 60). Sample size was over 350k people.

One take: An 11% improvement can make a huge difference because it might tip the balance from 1.05 to 0.95 which is the difference between a spreading disease and one that is on the return and because these percentages are multiplicative, not additive.

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Calm Grand Master

Calm

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3 hours ago, pogi said:

oxygenation is the big thing in serious cases.   

If they don’t have one already, might be smart for them to get a pulse oximeter to check oxygen saturation levels. Someone said their family members were instructed to head to emergency if their saturation level dropped to or below 90. 

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pogi Grand Master

pogi

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17 minutes ago, Calm said:

If they don’t have one already, might be smart for them to get a pulse oximeter to check oxygen saturation levels. Someone said their family members were instructed to head to emergency if their saturation level dropped to or below 90. 

Yep it is always helpful to have one, but unless they are having troubling signs and symptoms with dizziness/confusion, difficulty breathing/shortness of breath...its not really necessary.   You are correct though, below 90% sats is when you take them in.  Most people go in based on symptoms, but if you have a pulse oximeter you can catch things a bit sooner. 

Calm Grand Master

Calm

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Mayo says:

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. A reading of less than 92% might increase the need for hospitalization.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/treating-covid-19-at-home/art-20483273
 

This site might be more useful in sharing info on home care and other treatment than the CDC site for those who are viewing the government with suspicion these days.  Mayoclinic has had a good reputation in the past. 

Calm Grand Master

Calm

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5 minutes ago, pogi said:

Yep it is always helpful to have one, but unless they are having troubling signs and symptoms with dizziness/confusion, difficulty breathing/shortness of breath...its not really necessary.   You are correct though, below 90% sats is when you take them in.  Most people go in based on symptoms, but if you have a pulse oximeter you can catch things a bit sooner. 

I like to have an objective measure as it is reassuring if anxiety makes me feel it is harder to breathe plus if it says lower levels I also don’t have to fight the ‘don’t be a wimp’ voice in my head. :) 

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pogi Grand Master

pogi

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22 minutes ago, Calm said:

I like to have an objective measure as it is reassuring if anxiety makes me feel it is harder to breathe plus if it says lower levels I also don’t have to fight the ‘don’t be a wimp’ voice in my head. :) 

All good points.  I like to have one too (but I personally probably wouldn't go out and buy one for myself if I didn't already have one as a nurse).  I would recommend it for higher risk individuals, but I would probably caution against advising buying one for everyone who gets Covid.  If it is any thing like toilet paper, it will become difficult for those who truly should have one to find one.  

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