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2 hours ago, california boy said:

I don't think you should read anything into his sexual situation from a press release.  It is more likely that he is being intentionally vague.  Maybe he is still trying to figure all that out and how he is going to deal with it all.  Maybe he wants to ease into his public outing of how he feels about his sexuality.  There are lots of reasons why the press release is worded as it is.  Most of all, he probably needs us all to give him some personal space about his sexuality.

I agree. I would imagine it's quite a bit more difficult for someone in the public eye to come out. There are additional considerations - and within a conservative environment to boot! - that need to be made. I wish him the best on this journey as he tries to figure it out. My wife and I started right at the beginning with him on American Idol. Though his musical style isn't something that resonated too much with me, he has always come off as a stand up guy. : )

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6 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Just added his Self, God, and Immortality: A Jamesian Investigation (Fordham University Press, 1986), to my master bibliography.  Thanks Mark.  :pirate:

Great, I was hoping you'd see that post!  He's a Catholic, with a Fordham background

I was at UCLA and heard about process philosophy from a roomate, another Catholic, who told me about this department  at Queens college, CUNY, that was THE place to be (at the time) for process phil. I was a already immersed in Pragmatism, looking for a master's program.

So I schlepped to NYC from San Diego. Great experience!  I think Fontinell was department chairman at the time.

These books really deserve more attention in the LDS community;  they were what motivated me to find a Christian church compatible with their philosophy, and here I am, 50 years later.

They really are about the phenomenology of religion, but in the style of American philosophy.

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4 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Great, I was hoping you'd see that post!  He's a Catholic, with a Fordham background

I was at UCLA and heard about process philosophy from a roomate, another Catholic, who told me about this department  at Queens college, CUNY, that was THE place to be (at the time) for process phil. I was a already immersed in Pragmatism, looking for a master's program.

So I schlepped to NYC from San Diego. Great experience!  I think Fontinell was department chairman at the time.

These books really deserve more attention in the LDS community;  they were what motivated me to find a Christian church compatible with their philosophy, and here I am, 50 years later.

They really are about the phenomenology of religion, but in the style of American philosophy.

Not to derail, but I realize that my comment yesterday about insults came across harsher than it was intended. I'm sorry for that.

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5 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Great, I was hoping you'd see that post!  He's a Catholic, with a Fordham background

I was at UCLA and heard about process philosophy from a roomate, another Catholic, who told me about this department  at Queens college, CUNY, that was THE place to be (at the time) for process phil. I was a already immersed in Pragmatism, looking for a master's program.

So I schlepped to NYC from San Diego. Great experience!  I think Fontinell was department chairman at the time.

These books really deserve more attention in the LDS community;  they were what motivated me to find a Christian church compatible with their philosophy, and here I am, 50 years later.

They really are about the phenomenology of religion, but in the style of American philosophy.

I will promptly barrage the BYU Library with requests for these books. 

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One thing about people like David Archuleta is now members of the Church, who know who he is, know someone not heterosexual. He isn't diseased, or untalented or a blight on society, he seems like a regular guy-obviously he's been on TV, released songs and whatnot but he's met Pres. Monson and I assume other leaders. I think people could see him and say, ya know other than his sexuality he's not too different from everyone of us. I personally don't watch American idol, I am more of a Britain's Got Talent kind of person. Mind you "Ant and Dec" aren't any weirder than anyone else🤪

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8 hours ago, Glenn101 said:

I have not read any of his books but I have watched and listened to some of his lectures and have watched several of the debates in which he has engaged. He uses facts and data to support his viewpoints and those with whom he has engaged in debates seem not to be able to refute him. Would you mind articulating just how you believe Dr. Peterson is wrong?

His book "Twelve Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos" has been very popular and has helped a lot of young men.

Thanks,

Glenn

His entire thesis he preaches is fundamentally flawed. He raves at postmodernism without understanding what it is and using some of the methodology of postmodernism himself. He goes on about natural hierarchies as if whether something is natural is the primary point at issue when those oppose entrenched patriarchy are more concerned whether it is just.

His anecdotes about female clients are generally sexist. His evidence sounds good but it is regularly wrenched out of context. More than one person he has quoted has rebutted his statements saying they did not understand what their work showed.

He yells about Marxism when he has never read any Marxian theory. He talks about Postmodern Marxism which is basically a contradiction in terms. You can argue for a kind of postmodern communism or socialism but Marxism has a huge narrative built up around it and it doesn’t work in any way in Postmodernism.

That is just off the top of my head. There are better people who have pointed out the weakness of his arguments. That it appeals to white males and suggests that they are the disadvantaged group in western society is so ludicrous he should be laughed off the podium every time he speaks but he appeals to a burning resentment that has led to other movements like incels and MGTOW and others. He also argues that the mass shootings plaguing the country are due to a “crisis of being”, a kind of existential angst brought on by despair and suffering. Then for some reason he is silent on exploring why it is white males behind almost all of the mass shootings. Why are women and minorities seemingly immune to this angst?

Of course it is ridiculous to expect me to refute his work of several years in one post so you were probably not expecting a real answer at all. This one is obviously very incomplete.

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3 hours ago, Vanguard said:

I agree. I would imagine it's quite a bit more difficult for someone in the public eye to come out. There are additional considerations - and within a conservative environment to boot! - that need to be made. I wish him the best on this journey as he tries to figure it out. My wife and I started right at the beginning with him on American Idol. Though his musical style isn't something that resonated too much with me, he has always come off as a stand up guy. : )

He's the only one out of all of the American Idol contestants that I bought a CD of.

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2 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Great, I was hoping you'd see that post!  He's a Catholic, with a Fordham background................

What I have heard from real scholars is that CUNY has a rigorous education as good as anything once offered at Harvard, but at a fraction of the cost.

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1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Of course it is ridiculous to expect me to refute his work of several years in one post so you were probably not expecting a real answer at all. This one is obviously very incomplete.

I was not expecting a complete refutation. I would have preferred taking one example of something he has said and showing how he is wrong. You did expound on why you think Peterson is wrong, though in generalities, which is okay, as you were expressing your opinions. Thanks.

 

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18 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

 

 


 

And sex is not all there is to life. 

 

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

If intimate romantic relationships were only about sex that would be much more convincing.

So you insist that sex IS all there is to life? Oh. 

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1 hour ago, Tacenda said:

He's the only one out of all of the American Idol contestants that I bought a CD of.

Ha! I can't remember if he was in the group with Adam Lambert (my favorite) though if he were, I would wager Adam would have blown David away. ; )

And by the way, why aren't we able to give you rep points? You've never had it available that I can tell.

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19 minutes ago, Vanguard said:

Ha! I can't remember if he was in the group with Adam Lambert (my favorite) though if he were, I would wager Adam would have blown David away. ; )

And by the way, why aren't we able to give you rep points? You've never had it available that I can tell.

I guess I bought David's CD because of the connection of him being from my home state. Also attended his concert. Yes, Adam is amazing too! 

I am on "limited". That means I've been banned a few times for my posts and maybe I started too many topics, a few reasons I guess. Thanks for asking!

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1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said:

What I have heard from real scholars is that CUNY has a rigorous education as good as anything once offered at Harvard, but at a fraction of the cost.

Yes, it's kind of a great secret that few consider.

What is interesting is that individual departments may have different strengths between campuses. Hunter may be good in one point of view of biology, say, and Baruch another, so too with philosophy- but for what I wanted Queens was the best because no one else really nationally was that strong in pragmatism and process theology, to my knowledge, except for church sponsored schools and at the time I really did not want any doctrine muddying the waters.   No, though, it was never "Ivy League"

Kind of like UCLA and the UC system- UCLA has it's strengths and Berkeley has it's own.  CUNY is great because you can get such an array of grad departments within the same humongus city, all within say a 20 miles circle. And profs move between campuses too, easily because the comutes are so similar.

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5 hours ago, OGHoosier said:

I will promptly barrage the BYU Library with requests for these books. 

Dang.

Now I will have to stop pretending it is all my brilliance generating these wonderful ideas that appear to flow from my overly talented brain.  ;)

But seriously, this guy is not getting the attention he deserves.   I think I need to write a paper or something on him when I get around to it.  Story of my life.   This should be my avatar.   Too much to do!  Clearly I need a few fellowships or something.  

Actually its all found in my siggy, I think.  Don't need no stinkin books after Rory explains it so succintly ;)

 

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56 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I guess I bought David's CD because of the connection of him being from my home state. Also attended his concert. Yes, Adam is amazing too! 

I am on "limited". That means I've been banned a few times for my posts and maybe I started too many topics, a few reasons I guess. Thanks for asking!

But it's been that way for too long. You are no more provocative than many others who have full access. Though more often than not I disagree with you, I still don't get it... : (

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5 hours ago, Fair Dinkum said:

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Yeh, that's the same question all my barrack buddies would ask (during my 4 years in the USMC), although some would have added that it is really a question of the relative importance of booze and women.  Difficult to say which was most important to them.  I did visit with one of them years later in Wichita, Kansas.  He was married, had children, and a good job at the airport on the fire crew.  No more drunken carousing for him.  He had finally grown up.

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4 hours ago, Tacenda said:

 

I am on "limited". That means I've been banned a few times for my posts and maybe I started too many topics, a few reasons I guess. Thanks for asking!

I hope the moderators reinstate you. I enjoy reading your comments and have wanted to give rep as well.

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6 hours ago, Glenn101 said:

I was not expecting a complete refutation. I would have preferred taking one example of something he has said and showing how he is wrong. You did expound on why you think Peterson is wrong, though in generalities, which is okay, as you were expressing your opinions. Thanks.

 

So I wasted my time typing it up. I figured.

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4 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Yeh, that's the same question all my barrack buddies would ask (during my 4 years in the USMC), although some would have added that it is really a question of the relative importance of booze and women.  Difficult to say which was most important to them.  I did visit with one of them years later in Wichita, Kansas.  He was married, had children, and a good job at the airport on the fire crew.  No more drunken carousing for him.  He had finally grown up.

It is strange how that happens to people. One of my friends was a daily pot smoker and then one day realized it was time to move on and gave it up. Just something clicked in the brain.

Any day now my brain is going to grow up. Yep, any second now.

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