Ahab Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Meadowchik said: Yup, breaking the rules in a "not a big deal" way for a good cause. THAT'S WHAT I SAID when I got pulled over for speeding one time, way back when !!! I was just trying to get something good done faster than it would have taken me if I had followed that silly speed limit sign. It was only a sign, after all. How did so many of us get to be people who do only what some silly stupid sign tells us to do ??? I still don't totally get it, I guess.
smac97 Posted March 5, 2021 Author Posted March 5, 2021 29 minutes ago, Meadowchik said: Yup, breaking the rules in a "not a big deal" way for a good cause. The ends justify the means. Thanks, -Smac 1
smac97 Posted March 5, 2021 Author Posted March 5, 2021 34 minutes ago, Duncan said: or be safe from physical violence from heaven knows who finds out their names, you just don't know who is out there A consideration the student writers at The Daily Universe were apparently keen on keeping from the counter-protesters. Thanks, -Smac 2
Meadowchik Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, smac97 said: The ends justify the means. Thanks, -Smac The spirit of the law over the letter of the law. 1
Meadowchik Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 I admit it, I have been known to jaywalk an empty street and defy mid-level management when their rules violated the health code. Radical, I know. 😇 1
Ahab Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Meadowchik said: I admit it, I have been known to jaywalk an empty street and defy mid-level management when their rules violated the health code. Radical, I know. 😇 Yes. Rebel. Divergent. Insurgent. Is there anything you are Allegiant to?
Meadowchik Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 Just now, Ahab said: Yes. Rebel. Divergent. Insurgent. Is there anything you are Allegiant to? "Inasmuch as ye have done it into the least of these my brethren, ye have done it into me." and "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that he also love one another." 1
Ahab Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, Meadowchik said: "Inasmuch as ye have done it into the least of these my brethren, ye have done it into me." How does that apply? Inasmuch as ye have done it unto...rebelled against... the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto...rebelled against... me? 16 minutes ago, Meadowchik said: and "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that he also love one another." Oh, I hate it when people rebel against me while thinking they somehow love me. It doesn't make good sense and the people who think it don't seem to understand why they are rebelling.
Meadowchik Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 27 minutes ago, Ahab said: How does that apply? Inasmuch as ye have done it unto...rebelled against... the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto...rebelled against... me? Oh, I hate it when people rebel against me while thinking they somehow love me. It doesn't make good sense and the people who think it don't seem to understand why they are rebelling. You asked about my allegiance, and I answered with principled ideas. I believe in them based on their merit, not because of who may have said them. Furthermore, even as a believing member and BYU student, I did not equate BYU rules or public misdemeanour law with Jesus Christ.
HappyJackWagon Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 2 hours ago, bluebell said: I will get on board anytime a group of students is willing to sacrifice to show love for others. I wish BYU would take opportunities to focus on the people that need to be loved sometimes rather than the problem that needs to be solved. They could have said something like "While we don't agree with homosexual behavior and did not sanction the rainbow lights, we want our lgbtq students to feel loved and supported on our campus and understand the good intentions of the people involved. Hopefully next time they will come to us first. to get permission." I really like your statement so please don't take this as a criticism. The statement as you wrote it would be a nice improvement. They could have just said the part in bold. That seems like a very simple and true statement. The church's position is very clear. We know they don't approve of the behavior so no need to continually bludgeon us with the "but" part of the statement. As far as getting permission, BYU needs to earn some trust that they would allow such things before expecting people to seek its blessing on something so basic. 1
rpn Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 I would have joined the group if I'd been there. Just a really peaceful way to say, "we want all of Heavenly Father's children to feel safe at BYU". 4
Popular Post bluebell Posted March 5, 2021 Popular Post Posted March 5, 2021 43 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said: I really like your statement so please don't take this as a criticism. The statement as you wrote it would be a nice improvement. They could have just said the part in bold. That seems like a very simple and true statement. The church's position is very clear. We know they don't approve of the behavior so no need to continually bludgeon us with the "but" part of the statement. As far as getting permission, BYU needs to earn some trust that they would allow such things before expecting people to seek its blessing on something so basic. I get what you are saying, but not being explicitly clear on this issue is what caused the whole mess last year that students this year are trying to offset. BYU took the parts about homosexual behavior out of the honor code, thinking people would know their stance on it already, and people did not know, thought homosexual behavior was no longer against the honor code, and had a very emotional “betrayed” response to BYU clarifying. So given that history, I don’t think BYU should ever just assume the student body knows their standards again. 6
Rain Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said: I really like your statement so please don't take this as a criticism. The statement as you wrote it would be a nice improvement. They could have just said the part in bold. That seems like a very simple and true statement. The church's position is very clear. We know they don't approve of the behavior so no need to continually bludgeon us with the "but" part of the statement. Considering that this came from some who thought they could show the behavior and then the church came out and said it was still against the honor code and what the March 4th date signified I'm not sure it would be clear to everyone. Quote As far as getting permission, BYU needs to earn some trust that they would allow such things before expecting people to seek its blessing on something so basic. Edited March 5, 2021 by Rain 1
Ahab Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 Drama is to be expected in the LGBTQ crowd. I think they even have pageants where they appoint drama queens and drama kings.
Rain Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Rain said: Considering that this came from some who thought they could show the behavior and then the church came out and said it was still against the honor code and what the March 4th date signified In not sure it would be clear to everyone. Edit: should have checked to see if Bluebell responded before I pressed submit! 1
Ahab Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 Just now, Rain said: Edit: should have checked to see if Bluebell responded before I pressed submit! The more witnesses, the better, is the general rule.
bluebell Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 59 minutes ago, Rain said: Edit: should have checked to see if Bluebell responded before I pressed submit! In the mouth of two or three witnesses.... 2
MustardSeed Posted March 5, 2021 Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Ahab said: Drama is to be expected in the LGBTQ crowd. I think they even have pageants where they appoint drama queens and drama kings. In my opinion, sitting at the Y with colorful lights to show love and support to LGBTQ students is hardly dramatic. Keep working on that tact though. 4
Peacefully Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 Seems like about as peaceful a way to protest as I’ve ever seen. Good for them. 3
smac97 Posted March 6, 2021 Author Posted March 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Peacefully said: Seems like about as peaceful a way to protest as I’ve ever seen. Good for them. That's a fair point. I didn't care as much for the combative online messaging with accusations that people who may not fall in line with their views "hate" LGBT folks. That sort of risible rhetoric seems calculate to bully or shame, but is more likely to actually offend and alienate. Thanks, -Smac 3
Peacefully Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 18 minutes ago, smac97 said: That's a fair point. I didn't care as much for the combative online messaging with accusations that people who may not fall in line with their views "hate" LGBT folks. That sort of risible rhetoric seems calculate to bully or shame, but is more likely to actually offend and alienate. Thanks, -Smac I can see your point. I read a lot of your posts and I don’t think you hate LGBT people. You seem to come at things logically and also from a doctrinal POV, but you seem open to some things changing. I hope I am not speaking out of turn because I don’t know you. Their rhetoric is probably meant to wake people up, and help us see things from a different POV. Also, to them it may feel like “hate.” I think that is when we show more love.
provoman Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 20 hours ago, smac97 said: I can see it from my house. Awesome! I saw pictures of it and thought it looked 100% better than normal, but I do like rainbows just for the colors.
provoman Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 While I guess legally it was a tresspass, but if "tresspass" claims seem highly slective. I remember as a teenager climbing to the Y, but do not recall any fenceing or no tresspassing signs.; I was with a group of adults when I went.
Kenngo1969 Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 3 hours ago, provoman said: While I guess legally it was a tresspass, but if "tresspass" claims seem highly slective. I remember as a teenager climbing to the Y, but do not recall any fenceing or no tresspassing signs.; I was with a group of adults when I went. Are you comfortable with that confession, Provoman? I mean, what if the statute of limitations hasn't run on your egregious, heinous crime?
ttribe Posted March 6, 2021 Posted March 6, 2021 Observation: When you are reduced to hand-wringing posts pointing out the technicalities of trespassing ordinances, you've already lost the larger argument.
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