Mormon Boy

[Ahab]

2 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Abbreviations are frowned upon as well. 
 

Why not just do what is asked and say “the Church of Jesus Christ” as a shortened form when you need one? 

Good point, and with no need to capitalize the word church, I think.

I just sent an email today to a coworker who sent me a link to her church website, palaceofpraise.church, wherein I said "Here is a link to the church that I know is the true church of Jesus Christ:  https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/?lang=eng"

I could just as accurately have said true church of Christ as well as true church of Jesus Christ but I like to mention the name Jesus as a regular thing in my life, especially when talking about religion.

[JAHS]

38 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Abbreviations are frowned upon as well. 
 

Why not just do what is asked and say “the Church of Jesus Christ” as a shortened form when you need one? 

One of the original names of the church was "Church of Christ". That's even shorter.

[AtlanticMike]

11 minutes ago, JAHS said:

One of the original names of the church was "Church of Christ". That's even shorter.

Could always go back to one of the original names. Dangit!! What's missing????

Edited March 5, 2021 by AtlanticMike

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

Clearly the word “Mormon” (or the use of it) only applies to the counsel, concerning using it while identifying the Church, in favor of using using the full name of the Church, to avoid misunderstanding. What is truly sad, is that many different websites and discussion boards, have changed their name, when no such direction has been given. If the term “Mormon” were somehow undesirable, or there was any desire rid ourselves of it, then we would have been told so. In face we would have stopped using it on the “Book of Mormon”. I find it both odd and troubling that so many have decided to remove it from all use with in the Church, and even websites that are not sanctioned by, or connected with the Church, have changed their names, as if it has become a dirty word. 

[rpn]

why can't you use  Christlike boy.   Or Boy like Mormon.  Or Christ disciple boy.   I think any member can sing any song they want to.  

[Robert F. Smith]

9 hours ago, Amulek said:

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Most other religions have easy to use naming conventions for their adhearants: Jews, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalians, Muslims, Anglicans, Mennonites, Buddhists, Adventists, Unitarians, etc.

Heck, even the sacrilegious Pastafarians have got an easier name to swallow than "member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.".....................

Rastafarians also have the moniker "Rastaman."  However, I'm not sure that they are sacrilegious.  Are you taking issue with them smoking ganja?

[Calm]

13 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Pastafarians

Robert, you missed the P. Pastafarians ‘worship’ The Flying Spaghetti Monster:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

[JAHS]

4 hours ago, Bill “Papa” Lee said:

In face we would have stopped using it on the “Book of Mormon”.

That wouldn't happen. The title is referring to the prophet Mormon, not the church.

[Robert F. Smith]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

Robert, you missed the P. Pastafarians ‘worship’ The Flying Spaghetti Monster:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

Sorry, Calm, I'm stuck in a previous age in which there were only Rastafarians.  Was not aware of that spinoff.  😎

[Bernard Gui]

21 hours ago, Amulek said:

I find both songs a bit cringeworthy, though not for their use of the word "Mormon." 

That being said, the first one isn't how they sing the song down here. I believe the true and correct lyrics are as follows:

Wiener, wiener, wiener, wiener,
wiener, wiener, wiener, wiener, 
I know a wiener man.
He owns a wiener stand.
He sells most everything from hot dogs on down.
One day I'll change his life,
I'll be his wienie wife.
Hot-dog, I love that wiener man!

(You're welcome.)

 

The original song is “My Gal’s a Corker, She’s a New Yorker” written in the late 1800s by John Stromberg. It was popular at the time and even became an Army marching song. The lyrics are a bit suggestive and racist. There have been many variations of the text over the years. http://harrier.net/songbook/manual/mygirl.html

MY GAL'S A CORKER

My gal's a corker, she's a New Yorker
I buy her everything to keep her in style
She's got a pair of legs, just like two whiskey kegs
Hey boys, that's where my money goes-oes-oes

That's where my money goes, to buy my baby clothes
I buys her everything to keep her in style
She's worth her weight in gold, my coal black baby
Hey boys, that's where my money goes

When we go walkin', she does the talkin'
And when my arm's round her, how time does fly
She does the teasin', I do the sqeezin'
Hey boys,...

She's got a pair of eyes, just like two custard pies
And when she looks at me, I sure get a thrill
She's got a pair of lips, just like potato chips
...

She's got a pair of legs, just like two whiskey kegs
And when they knock together, oh what a sound
She's got a pair of hips, just like two battle ships

She's got a bulbous nose, just like a big red rose
And when the lights go out, it really does shine
She wears silk underwear, I wear my latest pair

Edited March 5, 2021 by Bernard Gui

[Tacenda]

15 hours ago, Bill “Papa” Lee said:

Clearly the word “Mormon” (or the use of it) only applies to the counsel, concerning using it while identifying the Church, in favor of using using the full name of the Church, to avoid misunderstanding. What is truly sad, is that many different websites and discussion boards, have changed their name, when no such direction has been given. If the term “Mormon” were somehow undesirable, or there was any desire rid ourselves of it, then we would have been told so. In face we would have stopped using it on the “Book of Mormon”. I find it both odd and troubling that so many have decided to remove it from all use with in the Church, and even websites that are not sanctioned by, or connected with the Church, have changed their names, as if it has become a dirty word. 

One example of that is changing the Mormon Tabernacle name. To ? can't even remember. 

[Amulek]

16 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

As I understand President Nelson’s guidelines, it’s OK to refer to Church members, oneself included, as Latter-day Saints (without abbreviating). 

I recognize that this is the preferred nomenclature. 

 

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You can do that in casual conversation without correcting anyone.  

But not without sounding pretentious.

Don't get me wrong, Latter-day Saint works fine at church (and maybe in Utah), but it's really more of an in-group kind of thing.

When people outside the church think of saints they think of people like Peter and Paul.

Or maybe Augustine and Aquinas. 

You know what they don't think: every single Mormon on the entire planet.

Maybe Latter-day Saint will catch on eventually, but I have my doubts. 

And, just to be clear, I've got no problem self-identifying as a Latter-day Saint. But if someone were to hold a gun to my head and ask if I was a Mormon, I'd look him in right the eye and say, "Damn straight."

I'd much rather have those be my last words as opposed to, "Well, if you're asking if I happen to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day..." <BLAM!!!>  

 

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Historically, Latter-day Saints have been asked to do hard things in following what they deemed prophetic direction, even when they didn’t fully understand them. By comparison, this seems like a little one.

Only we do understand why the prophet asked us to refer to the church by its proper name. That happens to be a course correction that I both fully understand and support.

When it comes to other, more tangential uses of the word "Mormon" however, I think there's still a bit of wiggle room. 

I'm not saying that we ignore the prophet's counsel, but the Lord knows our heart and ultimately that is what matters most.

 

[Amulek]

9 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Sorry, Calm, I'm stuck in a previous age in which there were only Rastafarians.  Was not aware of that spinoff.  😎

Oh, I'm familiar with Rastafarians, though I've only ever met a few in real life. All of them were super nice though.

But, as @Calm already pointed out, I meant the great "Pasta" followers.

I've never met an authentic Pastafarian, but as a member of a parody religion, I would hope they would have a good sense of humor.  

 

[Amulek]

33 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

One example of that is changing the Mormon Tabernacle name. To ? can't even remember. 

The Tabernacle Choir at Temple Square.

I think they should have left that one alone. Place it under the 'historic' usage category which gets an exception (e.g., Mormon Trail). 

 

[strappinglad]

Just say you are a Christian . 

Because of its traditional meaning , I have always been a bit reluctant calling myself a saint. It would be odd to call myself a " latter-day sinner " , though probably more accurate. 👿

[Ahab]

21 minutes ago, strappinglad said:

Just say you are a Christian . 

Because of its traditional meaning , I have always been a bit reluctant calling myself a saint. It would be odd to call myself a " latter-day sinner " , though probably more accurate. 👿

-ian

 

suffix

1. Of, relating to, or resembling: Bostonian.

2. One relating to, belonging to, or resembling: academician.

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[Middle English -ien, -ian, from Old French -ien, from Latin -iānus, adj. and n. suff.]

 

At least the term Christian... with an "ian" attached to the end of the word "Christ"... refers to being a follower of Christ.  The term Mormon doesn't have an "ian" on the end of it to denote that and the world generally doesn't know what a Mormon is.

When you say you are a Mormon, for example, most of the world will say huh?  What the heck is a Mormon?  And then you would have to explain what a Mormon is.

[Scott Lloyd]

2 hours ago, Amulek said:

I recognize that this is the preferred nomenclature. 

 

But not without sounding pretentious.

Don't get me wrong, Latter-day Saint works fine at church (and maybe in Utah), but it's really more of an in-group kind of thing.

When people outside the church think of saints they think of people like Peter and Paul.

Or maybe Augustine and Aquinas. 

You know what they don't think: every single Mormon on the entire planet.

Maybe Latter-day Saint will catch on eventually, but I have my doubts. 

And, just to be clear, I've got no problem self-identifying as a Latter-day Saint. But if someone were to hold a gun to my head and ask if I was a Mormon, I'd look him in right the eye and say, "Damn straight."

I'd much rather have those be my last words as opposed to, "Well, if you're asking if I happen to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day..." <BLAM!!!>  

 

Only we do understand why the prophet asked us to refer to the church by its proper name. That happens to be a course correction that I both fully understand and support.

When it comes to other, more tangential uses of the word "Mormon" however, I think there's still a bit of wiggle room. 

I'm not saying that we ignore the prophet's counsel, but the Lord knows our heart and ultimately that is what matters most.

 

“Pretentious” is in the eye of the beholder. And don’t get me started on the “perception equals reality” silliness, which may be the worst thing to have ever come out of the world of marketing and advertising. 
 

It comes down to obeying the commandment of Jesus Christ as reaffirmed, applied and taught in modern day by His anointed servants vs. fearing  the PR effect such obedience might supposedly entail. 
 

And the word Saints is present in the name of the Church because we have a true and correct understanding of the scriptural meaning of the word. We need not, nor should we ever, be ashamed of that, especially if our intent is to teach truth to the world at large. 
 

Added later: Regarding the “wiggle room,” my hunch is that President Nelson curtailed much of that because he perceived — quite correctly — that the “wiggle room” was being used far too extensively and too often, with the result that in everyday discourse and conversation, the name of Christ was being effectively severed from the Church He founded. It’s an instance of the prophet fulfilling his divinely mandated role to be a watchman on the tower, seeing and calling out things that others of us don’t see because we are too close to the ground. 

Edited March 5, 2021 by Scott Lloyd

[Ahab]

2 hours ago, Amulek said:

I recognize that this is the preferred nomenclature. 

 

But not without sounding pretentious.

Don't get me wrong, Latter-day Saint works fine at church (and maybe in Utah), but it's really more of an in-group kind of thing.

When people outside the church think of saints they think of people like Peter and Paul.

Or maybe Augustine and Aquinas. 

You know what they don't think: every single Mormon on the entire planet.

Maybe Latter-day Saint will catch on eventually, but I have my doubts. 

And, just to be clear, I've got no problem self-identifying as a Latter-day Saint. But if someone were to hold a gun to my head and ask if I was a Mormon, I'd look him in right the eye and say, "Damn straight."

I'd much rather have those be my last words as opposed to, "Well, if you're asking if I happen to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day..." <BLAM!!!>  

 

Only we do understand why the prophet asked us to refer to the church by its proper name. That happens to be a course correction that I both fully understand and support.

When it comes to other, more tangential uses of the word "Mormon" however, I think there's still a bit of wiggle room. 

I'm not saying that we ignore the prophet's counsel, but the Lord knows our heart and ultimately that is what matters most.

 

A big part of the "course correction" involves trying to teach others the truth of what really is, not just who Christ is or who our Father is or who the Holy Ghost is but what every one of us on this planet is, too.

And including what a saint really is, too, which is anyone who has been sanctified by the atonement of Jesus Christ and is voluntarily setting himself or herself apart from the world in general... those who don't follow Christ... by being one who follows him.

Setting the record straight is what matters most to our Father in heaven.  People knowing the truth rather than being deceived by those who have taught some things that are not true.  And I think every word counts.

[Scott Lloyd]

1 hour ago, strappinglad said:

Just say you are a Christian . 

Because of its traditional meaning , I have always been a bit reluctant calling myself a saint. It would be odd to call myself a " latter-day sinner " , though probably more accurate. 👿

By “traditional meaning” do you mean as established in Christ’s original church, or are you referring to the meaning it took on after the doctrine had become corrupted in the sectarian world following the deaths of the apostles? 

[strappinglad]

23 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

are you referring to the meaning it took on

I refer to the meaning it has had for about 1500 of the last 2000 years. I will concede alternate meanings for the first 300 and last 200 years.

[Scott Lloyd]

13 minutes ago, strappinglad said:

I refer to the meaning it has had for about 1500 of the last 2000 years. I will concede alternate meanings for the first 300 and last 200 years.

It’s called “the Restoration” for good reason. 

[2BizE]

On 3/4/2021 at 10:38 AM, HappyJackWagon said:

Clearly there must be something wrong with him. He's probably unworthy  

He clearly hasn’t wanted to take the step as Pres. Nelson requested and be anti-Mormon.

[JustAnAustralian]

4 hours ago, Amulek said:

Don't get me wrong, Latter-day Saint works fine at church (and maybe in Utah), but it's really more of an in-group kind of thing.

Latter-day Saint was an option for religion in an Australian survey I did a few days ago, so it's definitely out there.

[Ahab]

22 minutes ago, JustAnAustralian said:

Latter-day Saint was an option for religion in an Australian survey I did a few days ago, so it's definitely out there.

We call ourselves what our Lord told us to call his church with us in it, and other people call themselves Jehovah's witnesses.  And there are other people who call themselves Presbyterians, and Baptists, and Methodists, and all kinds of other names.

Most people don't seem to have a problem with any of that.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

6 hours ago, Tacenda said:

One example of that is changing the Mormon Tabernacle name. To ? can't even remember. 

That is because the choir is part of the Church, thus the name change for consistency. The word “Mormon” is not a word we are no longer commanded not to use. Especially since it is still the name of our own unique scripture. My point was to address, why have websites, and discussion boards, changed their names? This discussion board did not do so, because it is not a Church owned or an official site. Or do you believe this site is somehow in violation of Church policy?