Fringe/Extremist Groups

[Calm]

This is tied to the Daybell/Vallow case, but may be of interest to those not following that.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/02/a-look-at-the-religious-circle-surrounding-chad-and-lori-daybell/

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In our coverage of Chad and Lori Vallow Daybell and her missing children, JJ Vallow and Tylee Ryan, people who have known them say they have extreme religious beliefs and are members of a doomsday “cult.”

But the nature of the reported cult is hard to define, especially since the Daybells have not spoken to the media. (We have tried.)

What we do know is Chad and Lori are or have been members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and they are also affiliated with several informal groups whose teachings go contrary to what one would hear in a typical Latter-day Saint congregation.

We reached out to several people in east Idaho who were or are part of these semi-secretive groups. Several have agreed to go on the record with their names, and others have agreed on the condition of anonymity, as they are still active Latter-day Saints or fear retaliation from other members of these groups.

There doesn’t appear to be any sort of formal organization or clear doctrine among these nonconventional groups of Latter-day Saints. In fact, many of the people interviewed by EastIdahoNews.com reported vastly different experiences.

It is sad how often this is destroying families.

[Anijen]

Many of these type doomsday prepper shows has asked many LDS members to be on their shows due to our self-reliance and year storage type lifestyles. Most turn the tv series down, because they will make them out to be wackos. I am sure many (if not all of you) know of a member who has their one year supply and are not weird.  I know these type of "reality" shows actually tell those who participate they'll get bonus money the more controversial or contentious they appear (even if they are not). Kind of like the History Channel or the late Art Bell, the weirder it is the higher the rating...

I am one of those who have followed the Church's counsel and have a years supply. I am normal member, not a wacko. I refuse to call myself a prepper anymore because of the weirdo label it now comes with. I think of it as more of an insurance policy. I feel bad that members are sometimes labeled kooks because very few others, who are kooks, get all the media and it sets a stereotype.

I find a homestead, farming fun. Outdoors, camping, agriculture, gardening, raising animals, etc., isn't very weird and can be very educational. It teaches much of what today considers a lost art, a good work ethic, responsibility, love of nature, etc..

Edited February 23, 2020 by Anijen

[bsjkki]

I found that a very interesting article. 

[pogi]

16 hours ago, Anijen said:

Many of these type doomsday prepper shows has asked many LDS members to be on their shows due to our self-reliance and year storage type lifestyles. Most turn the tv series down, because they will make them out to be wackos. I am sure many (if not all of you) know of a member who has their one year supply and are not weird.  I know these type of "reality" shows actually tell those who participate they'll get bonus money the more controversial or contentious they appear (even if they are not). Kind of like the History Channel or the late Art Bell, the weirder it is the higher the rating...

I am one of those who have followed the Church's counsel and have a years supply. I am normal member, not a wacko. I refuse to call myself a prepper anymore because of the weirdo label it now comes with. I think of it as more of an insurance policy. I feel bad that members are sometimes labeled kooks because very few others, who are kooks, get all the media and it sets a stereotype.

I find a homestead, farming fun. Outdoors, camping, agriculture, gardening, raising animals, etc., isn't very weird and can be very educational. It teaches much of what today considers a lost art, a good work ethic, responsibility, love of nature, etc..

If things keep progressing (or regressing - depending on how you look at it) with COVID-19 and the economy, you may not be looking so kooky after all...

[bluebell]

17 hours ago, Anijen said:

Many of these type doomsday prepper shows has asked many LDS members to be on their shows due to our self-reliance and year storage type lifestyles. Most turn the tv series down, because they will make them out to be wackos. I am sure many (if not all of you) know of a member who has their one year supply and are not weird.  I know these type of "reality" shows actually tell those who participate they'll get bonus money the more controversial or contentious they appear (even if they are not). Kind of like the History Channel or the late Art Bell, the weirder it is the higher the rating...

I am one of those who have followed the Church's counsel and have a years supply. I am normal member, not a wacko. I refuse to call myself a prepper anymore because of the weirdo label it now comes with. I think of it as more of an insurance policy. I feel bad that members are sometimes labeled kooks because very few others, who are kooks, get all the media and it sets a stereotype.

I find a homestead, farming fun. Outdoors, camping, agriculture, gardening, raising animals, etc., isn't very weird and can be very educational. It teaches much of what today considers a lost art, a good work ethic, responsibility, love of nature, etc..

As with most things, it seems to all boil down to moderation.  Being prepared is a really good thing.  Spending all your energy and money and time on physically surviving end time apocalypse scenarios is when you start to look a little mentally unhealthy.

 

[smac97]

18 hours ago, Anijen said:

Many of these type doomsday prepper shows has asked many LDS members to be on their shows due to our self-reliance and year storage type lifestyles.

I have made emergency preparedness a hobby, even something of a priority (in terms of spending money on food storage, heating solutions, water filtration, etc.).

18 hours ago, Anijen said:

Most turn the tv series down, because they will make them out to be wackos.

I am concerned that "doomsday preppers" are so over-the-top that they are creating an aversion in some forlks to sensible emergenecy preparedness efforts.

18 hours ago, Anijen said:

I am sure many (if not all of you) know of a member who has their one year supply and are not weird. 

I'm one.  I have been working on it for about four years now, accumulating stuff over time.  In addition to food, I have a freeze dryer, water filters, water barrels, a wood stove, and stored wood.  

18 hours ago, Anijen said:

I am one of those who have followed the Church's counsel and have a years supply. I am normal member, not a wacko. I refuse to call myself a prepper anymore because of the weirdo label it now comes with. I think of it as more of an insurance policy. I feel bad that members are sometimes labeled kooks because very few others, who are kooks, get all the media and it sets a stereotype.

I find a homestead, farming fun. Outdoors, camping, agriculture, gardening, raising animals, etc., isn't very weird and can be very educational. It teaches much of what today considers a lost art, a good work ethic, responsibility, love of nature, etc..

Yep.  I have found working on principles pertaining to "Provident Living," including emergency preparedness, to be very edifying and enjoyable.

Thanks,

-Smac

[cacheman]

19 hours ago, Anijen said:

Many of these type doomsday prepper shows has asked many LDS members to be on their shows due to our self-reliance and year storage type lifestyles. Most turn the tv series down, because they will make them out to be wackos. I am sure many (if not all of you) know of a member who has their one year supply and are not weird.  I know these type of "reality" shows actually tell those who participate they'll get bonus money the more controversial or contentious they appear (even if they are not). Kind of like the History Channel or the late Art Bell, the weirder it is the higher the rating...

I am one of those who have followed the Church's counsel and have a years supply. I am normal member, not a wacko. I refuse to call myself a prepper anymore because of the weirdo label it now comes with. I think of it as more of an insurance policy. I feel bad that members are sometimes labeled kooks because very few others, who are kooks, get all the media and it sets a stereotype.

I find a homestead, farming fun. Outdoors, camping, agriculture, gardening, raising animals, etc., isn't very weird and can be very educational. It teaches much of what today considers a lost art, a good work ethic, responsibility, love of nature, etc..

I am right with you regarding enjoyment and satisfaction that comes from working towards self-sufficiency.  There is no doubt that my LDS heritage plays a role in my efforts towards self-reliance.  There is not much I enjoy more than growing food, building/fixing things, and being more in touch with my natural surroundings.  Not only is it fun and challenging, but I get a sense of 'spiritual' fulfillment out of it.  On top of that..... it saves us a ton of money and offers us financial freedom! 

-cacheman

[LoudmouthMormon]

I've got two things going for me:

- What Smac said.  I enjoy laying up provisions against the season.  It's fun and satisfying to can/bottle/shop for bargains/think about various scenarios where preparations might need to come into use.  In my 3 decades of caring about this stuff, I've actually had to swing into action during forest fires, blizzards, and a mass shooter event.  My emergency medical training has come in useful on several occasions, from heart issues, to car/motorcycle accidents, to industrial accidents.  

- I get a huge kick out of acting like a tinfoil-hat-wearing militia patriot nutcase.  I enjoy talking about this stuff in terms of preparing for the zombie uprising or the commie invasion.  I joke about my bugout bunker and minefield.  It's a cool blend of knowing serious stuff, and joking about over-the-top stuff.  I think most people get it.

Both of these have brought me into contact with an interesting variety of people.  A ton of former/retired military/law enforcement.  Lots of folks from rural culture.  Some folks with stories of escaping from this or that extreme group after stuff dawned on them.  Haven't met any evil or unstable dangerous people, but some might have come close.  Met plenty of ignorant folks, some obsessive people who might be suffering from this or that mental illness.  But none of them have done anything worth reporting to the authorities.

I don't know anything about the Daybell/Vallow situation besides what I've already said about Roger K Young and his group of fools.

Edited February 24, 2020 by LoudmouthMormon

[Ahab]

Eh, who is extreme and who isn't.  Seems like an extremely subjective perspective.  What is Jeff Foxworthy up to these days?  Maybe he could weigh in on this and help to settle this for us.

If you have a lot of food in what you call a pantry, then you might just be an extremist.

If you have a well on your property so that you can get your own water without having to rely on a public water system, then  you just might be an extremist.

If you have a goodly amount of land that is dedicated as gardening space, so that you can grow your own food and/or flowers whenever you want or whenever you can, then you just might be an extremist.

If you have a gun with a goodly amount of ammo for it, and/or a bow with a goodly amount of arrows for it, and/or a fishing rod with a goodly amount of bait and tackle for it, then you just might be an extremist.

If you have a very large can/container of gasoline, or several smaller but still fairly large cans/containers of gasoline at your house, just in case you might run out of gas in your car or truck or boat or your lawn equipment, then you just might be an extremist.

If you have a lot of clothes for various purposes, and various weather conditions, even if you haven't needed or worn some of them yet but think maybe you might need them, then you just might be an extremist.

If you have the idea that the world may suddenly change someday in some way so that you may not be able to get what you need or want to get from a store, so you try to keep various things on hand just in case you might need them, then you just might be an extremist.

if you think having some duct tape is a good thing to have and the more rolls the better, along with other kinds of tape and/or rope and/or glue and/or chains and/or bungee cords, then you just might be an extremist.

Eh, but then again, you might just be a common, ordinary, redneck.

 

Edited February 24, 2020 by Ahab

[Scott Lloyd]

On 2/23/2020 at 3:53 PM, Anijen said:

Many of these type doomsday prepper shows has asked many LDS members to be on their shows due to our self-reliance and year storage type lifestyles. Most turn the tv series down, because they will make them out to be wackos. I am sure many (if not all of you) know of a member who has their one year supply and are not weird.  I know these type of "reality" shows actually tell those who participate they'll get bonus money the more controversial or contentious they appear (even if they are not). Kind of like the History Channel or the late Art Bell, the weirder it is the higher the rating...

I am one of those who have followed the Church's counsel and have a years supply. I am normal member, not a wacko. I refuse to call myself a prepper anymore because of the weirdo label it now comes with. I think of it as more of an insurance policy. I feel bad that members are sometimes labeled kooks because very few others, who are kooks, get all the media and it sets a stereotype.

I find a homestead, farming fun. Outdoors, camping, agriculture, gardening, raising animals, etc., isn't very weird and can be very educational. It teaches much of what today considers a lost art, a good work ethic, responsibility, love of nature, etc..

“The late Art Bell”? You mean he died? I’m shocked. That guy was a god! 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

just kidding

[The Nehor]

When the zombies arise I intend to get eaten quickly.

[Scott Lloyd]

On 2/24/2020 at 10:57 AM, smac97 said:

I am concerned that "doomsday preppers" are so over-the-top that they are creating an aversion in some forlks to sensible emergenecy preparedness efforts.

 

Sounds like climate change activists. 

[Scott Lloyd]

3 hours ago, The Nehor said:

When the zombies arise I intend to get eaten quickly.

“You kill the brain, you kill the ghoul.”

[sunstoned]

33 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Sounds like climate change activists. 

The only difference is that climate change is a reality.  The over the toppers in this scenario are the ones avocating to stay the course of unrestrained environmental exploitation and unrestricted fossil fuel use.  Good for big business profits.  Not so good for everyone else </rant>

[mfbukowski]

On 2/24/2020 at 11:36 AM, Ahab said:

Eh, who is extreme and who isn't.  Seems like an extremely subjective perspective.  What is Jeff Foxworthy up to these days?  Maybe he could weigh in on this and help to settle this for us.

If you have a lot of food in what you call a pantry, then you might just be an extremist.

If you have a well on your property so that you can get your own water without having to rely on a public water system, then  you just might be an extremist.

If you have a goodly amount of land that is dedicated as gardening space, so that you can grow your own food and/or flowers whenever you want or whenever you can, then you just might be an extremist.

If you have a gun with a goodly amount of ammo for it, and/or a bow with a goodly amount of arrows for it, and/or a fishing rod with a goodly amount of bait and tackle for it, then you just might be an extremist.

If you have a very large can/container of gasoline, or several smaller but still fairly large cans/containers of gasoline at your house, just in case you might run out of gas in your car or truck or boat or your lawn equipment, then you just might be an extremist.

If you have a lot of clothes for various purposes, and various weather conditions, even if you haven't needed or worn some of them yet but think maybe you might need them, then you just might be an extremist.

If you have the idea that the world may suddenly change someday in some way so that you may not be able to get what you need or want to get from a store, so you try to keep various things on hand just in case you might need them, then you just might be an extremist.

if you think having some duct tape is a good thing to have and the more rolls the better, along with other kinds of tape and/or rope and/or glue and/or chains and/or bungee cords, then you just might be an extremist.

Eh, but then again, you might just be a common, ordinary, redneck.

 

You forgot flint to make your own arrowheads, and a black powder blunderbuss in case you have to shoot gravel, snare / trip wire for two or four legged varmints, paracord by the ton, and potassium iodide pills in case of nukes.   And of course you already have your underground shelter, solar setup, wood burning stoves and lots of dry kindling,  and a few manual pumps, grain grinders,  and a ham radio.  License optional since it's not required in a civil emergency.

But really I don't know much about that stuff for a common ordinary white neck.  I burn too easily to be a redneck.  

 

[mfbukowski]

26 minutes ago, sunstoned said:

The only difference is that climate change is a reality. 

Yep.

Always has been.

[Scott Lloyd]

52 minutes ago, sunstoned said:

The only difference is that climate change is a reality.  

The need for preparedness against personal hardship and/or disaster is a reality too. But some take it to excess. 
 

Anything can be taken to excess, often with harmful consequences. 

Edited February 26, 2020 by Scott Lloyd

[Scott Lloyd]

17 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Yep.

Always has been.

We’ve only recently been on a 12-year doomsday track, though. 
 

Actually, it’s less than 11 years now. As of Martin Luther King Day. You can track the doomsday progression by the occurrence of that holiday. It’s convenient, because that was the day in 2019 when AOC made her infamous prediction. 

[mfbukowski]

22 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

We’ve only recently been on a 12-year doomsday track, though. 
 

Actually, it’s less than 11 years now. As of Martin Luther King Day. You can track the doomsday progression by the occurrence of that holiday. It’s convenient, because that was the day in 2019 when AOC made her infamous prediction. 

Clearly she's a prophetess

Added this in case anyone thought I was serious: 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2020 by mfbukowski

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

“You kill the brain, you kill the ghoul.”

Already on that part too. I have been told on good authority (random people on the Internet) that television, junk food, exercise, meat, video games, and my prescription meds will all damage my brain. By the time the zombie takes over there will probably be nothing left.

[mfbukowski]

2 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Already on that part too. I have been told on good authority (random people on the Internet) that television, junk food, exercise, meat, video games, and my prescription meds will all damage my brain. By the time the zombie takes over there will probably be nothing left.

Yeah, but how could we tell the difference? 

 

[Calm]

1 hour ago, mfbukowski said:

potassium iodide pills in case of nukes

Don’t waste your money:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/pills-drug-nuclear-attack-fallout-survival-gear-2018-1%3famp

[mfbukowski]

41 minutes ago, Calm said:

Don’t waste your money:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/pills-drug-nuclear-attack-fallout-survival-gear-2018-1%3famp

Golly gee who ever thought that food water and a flashlight would be more important that potassium iodide?

Totally forgot about those!

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Yeah, but how could we tell the difference? 

 

The zombie would probably drool less.

[Scott Lloyd]

Essential item for any preparedness kit against a future zombie Invasion:

https://www.teepublic.com/kids-t-shirt/1225413-kill-the-brain-and-you-kill-the-ghoul