Fringe/Extremist Groups

[Ahab]

12 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

You forgot flint to make your own arrowheads,

There are enough rocks around where I live to make all I need of those.

12 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

and a black powder blunderbuss in case you have to shoot gravel,

I can't imagine any reason I would ever need to shoot gravel, but I could improvise if I needed to and without using any black powder.

12 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

snare / trip wire for two or four legged varmints,

wire, okay, I forgot to say wire when I mentioned duct tape and other kinds of tape and rope and chains and bungee cords.  So wire is on the list now.  Thank you for the memo.

12 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

paracord by the ton,

lots of rope, in other words.  I already mentioned that.

12 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

and potassium iodide pills in case of nukes.   

No I would rather just die at that point, if I wasn't already translated or resurrected.

12 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

And of course you already have your underground shelter

I wouldn't want to be underground.  Death isn't so bad so it's not as if I would go to extreme measures just to not experience death.  but still some people might consider the lengths I would go to for staying alive to be extreme.

12 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

, solar setup, wood burning stoves and lots of dry kindling, 

got all of that and plenty of trees around where I live, out in the boonies, in a town with a population of about 2000 scattered over about 5 square miles, with only slightly larger towns around that, about 30 miles away from the larger towns of Vancouver WA and Portland OR

12 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

and a few manual pumps, grain grinders,  and a ham radio.  License optional since it's not required in a civil emergency.

got all of that too.

12 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

But really I don't know much about that stuff for a common ordinary white neck.  I burn too easily to be a redneck.  

 

It's not that hard. I've just always been more of a country boy than a city slicker.

[Calm]

9 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Golly gee who ever thought that food water and a flashlight would be more important that potassium iodide?

Totally forgot about those!

Potassium iodide for radiation protection is a pet peeve of mine due to encountering a young man at an entrepreneur camp being unable to comprehend why he shouldn't make a mint by setting up a company based on fraud as long as it made people feel safe.  It was his submission for the business plan competition and he was furious about being disqualified when he thought he should win given how much he projected making off of it (he was going to package them up nice and sell them to militaries....he also couldn't understand that if a country thought it was a good idea, they would do it themselves as he couldn't patent the product either, so it wasn't the winner simply based on that without regard to morality...but it never got that far because it was judged fraudulent).

Edited February 26, 2020 by Calm

[halconero]

13 hours ago, sunstoned said:

The only difference is that climate change is a reality.  The over the toppers in this scenario are the ones avocating to stay the course of unrestrained environmental exploitation and unrestricted fossil fuel use.  Good for big business profits.  Not so good for everyone else </rant>

Tbf, there's an undercurrent of eco-fascism that's reasonably prevalent among far-right groups right now, especially in the Pacific Northwest. Plenty of folks there buy into the deep ecology stuff of Savitri Devi and biodynamic agriculture of Rudolf Steiner. It's not a majority part of the far-right movement, but it's a rather large part, and serves as an uncomfortable bridge between their form of radicalism and mainstream environmental activism. I honestly think we'll see more of it as climate change-related migration and discussions around borders ramps up.

Side note, I would honestly avoid diving deep into Savitri Devi. I used to be of the "study and share everything" and "sunlight is the best disinfectant" squad, but i honestly think a lot of this stuff is at best garbage, and at worst, extremely dangerous when shared. Even the Book of Mormon advocates awareness of secret combinations, while also advocating burying certain details on them.

Edited February 26, 2020 by halconero

[halconero]

Also, if anyone wants to familiarize themselves with extremist groups in the United States, I can't Robert Evans enough. He's very well-versed in these areas, and works as an investigative journalist into far-right groups for Bellingcat, the open source platform that recently confirmed the shooting down the Ukrainian flight in Iran, and MH17 in the Donbass region. He recently published a free audiobook called "The War on Everyone" that draws a line between the start of Ur-Fascism and the modern Christian Identity, KKK, Neo-Nazi, fringe Latter-day Saint, and other groups in the US mostly concentrated in the Pacific Northwest, Idaho, and Central California areas. He also has a limited podcast series that describes a hypothetical Second American Civil War, and how it would look more like Syria, Iraq, or Ukraine in this day and age than the first one. He's not citing this scenario as likely, just as plausible, and more than anything uses that scenario as a stage to discuss these groups, technological, ideological, and strategic trends in modern terrorism and civil wars, and how communities grow and flourish, or decay and die in the midst of conflict. Warning, his language is not over the top, but it isn't exactly G-rated.