Hamba Tuhan Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: When all else fails, follow directions. Some wards/stakes seem to be hell-bent on trying literally 'all else' first, it would seem... 2
mfbukowski Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said: Some wards/stakes seem to be hell-bent on trying literally 'all else' first, it would seem... Part of our HC meeting includes 15 minutes on relevant sections of the manuals. That helps a lot. It is a two hour meeting, twice a month. 1
Duncan Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 The Bishopric released the HPGL in sacrament, I always thought that was done in priesthood?
Avatar4321 Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Duncan said: The Bishopric released the HPGL in sacrament, I always thought that was done in priesthood? Can the bishopric do that? I thought mp callings were through the stake
HappyJackWagon Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, Duncan said: The Bishopric released the HPGL in sacrament, I always thought that was done in priesthood? M Priesthood callings and releases usually happen in quorum/group, but it can be done in Sac if necessary. But it should be done by the stake, not the ward leadership. 1
mnn727 Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 19 hours ago, Bill "Papa" Lee said: It is not, just perception I guess. My first four years as a member in military Branches, there was only one Priesthood group. Same with my first Ward after I converted. It was in a rural area (non-mountain west) we all met together. 1
Duncan Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, HappyJackWagon said: M Priesthood callings and releases usually happen in quorum/group, but it can be done in Sac if necessary. But it should be done by the stake, not the ward leadership. yep!!! the bishopric counselor did it, even though a HC was there in the congregation. I know the previous EQP was sustained in sacrament mtg, the Bishop didn't realize it was bad until he read the handbook later, and in that instance the HC was also there and he didn't catch it either.
Duncan Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Avatar4321 said: Can the bishopric do that? I thought mp callings were through the stake not really suppose to, although what the practical difference is, who knows 1
Guest Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 17 hours ago, mfbukowski said: As a new married, I was petrified of getting a primary calling. I was an only child and had no siblings and I did not even understand what it would be to have siblings much less actually speak to ... CHILDREN??? My first calling in the church was as an adult gospel doctrine teacher to the "young marrieds" and I was less intimidated by that than the idea of a primary calling. I had no idea of how to relate to kids. Now after 4 grown kids and grandchildren, I would LOVE to have that calling! I did not grow up an only child, but I did grow up in a small fundamentalist Baptist Church who had no teaching for children. I had to attend another larger Church to even know what a Sunday School class was like.
ksfisher Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Duncan said: The Bishopric released the HPGL in sacrament, I always thought that was done in priesthood? That should not have happened. As you say, and Happy Jack confirmed, MP callings and releases should take place in quorum meetings and is handled by the stake. 1
ksfisher Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Duncan said: not really suppose to, although what the practical difference is, who knows The difference is that the Lord asks for His house to be a house of order. (D&C 88:119) We are also expected to know what our duty is and do it. (D&C 107:99) On a practical level a person who is released is released, regardless of who announces what or if it is or isn't announced. But I think that the Lord expects us to administer the affairs of His kingdom in the manner which He was revealed and we have been taught by our leaders. 3
Calm Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 7 hours ago, Duncan said: The Bishopric released the HPGL in sacrament, I always thought that was done in priesthood? I get the feeling, Duncan, the leaders of your leaders (stake level, maybe even area) don't spend much time emphasizing familiarity with the manual and thus your leaders ignore it as too much hassle. 1
Duncan Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Calm said: I get the feeling, Duncan, the leaders of your leaders (stake level, maybe even area) don't spend much time emphasizing familiarity with the manual and thus your leaders ignore it as too much hassle. i'd say so!! hahahahaha! Our Stake President has never been on a high Council or in a Stake Presidency prior to being the Stake President. He'd only been a Bishop a year and a half before he got called to be the SP. The learning curve is almost straight up!!! he is a fantastic man though! Out of all the men interviewed, i'd say he was the most qualified, even though others had been in high council, stake presidency, bishoprics for years and years. 1
Guest Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 18 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Holy cow The High Councilor helping that ward should have been there supporting and training him https://www.lds.org/handbook/handbook-2-administering-the-church/stake-organization?lang=eng&_r=1#153 Agreed, he told the Quorum that all the new leaders would be set apart at 1:45 (45 mins after our Ward meetings end) and he and the Bishop left the meeting. The Bishop and counsellors to the Young Men, the HC, I have no idea where he went.
ksfisher Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 19 minutes ago, Duncan said: i'd say so!! hahahahaha! Our Stake President has never been on a high Council or in a Stake Presidency prior to being the Stake President. He'd only been a Bishop a year and a half before he got called to be the SP. The learning curve is almost straight up!!! he is a fantastic man though! Out of all the men interviewed, i'd say he was the most qualified, even though others had been in high council, stake presidency, bishoprics for years and years. I've served on the high council for 5 years and am currently serving in the bishopric for the second time. Even though I've extended a number of callings and releases over the years I'll still refer to the chart of callings in Handbook 2 to make sure things are being handled by the correct person. 4
Guest Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Duncan said: i'd say so!! hahahahaha! Our Stake President has never been on a high Council or in a Stake Presidency prior to being the Stake President. He'd only been a Bishop a year and a half before he got called to be the SP. The learning curve is almost straight up!!! he is a fantastic man though! Out of all the men interviewed, i'd say he was the most qualified, even though others had been in high council, stake presidency, bishoprics for years and years. Our relatively new Stake Preisdency were all Bishop's until called. Two of whom I have known since teenagers, when my wife and I were connected with Ym and YW, and one newly married when I was in the Bishopric. However, our new Stake President has accepted a new job 2.5 hours away, and his first counselor is running the show for the most part. I will be surprised, if this Sunday at Stake Conference we will not have a new Stake President. This has of course added to some confusion. Edited April 10, 2018 by Bill "Papa" Lee 1
SeekerB Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) We got a new EQ President who is a High Priest from being in the Bishopric a few years ago, and a High Council member after that. We all met together and I didn't hear any grumbling, but I don't hear well anyway. We'll see what happens next week when the Counselors are called. I guess I am released as 4th Sunday HP instructor, though. That's fine with me. The wife and I are on a Stake Mission for the next two years and she got released from teaching Primary. Edited April 10, 2018 by SeekerB 1
Stargazer Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 On 10/04/2018 at 3:50 PM, Duncan said: yep!!! the bishopric counselor did it, even though a HC was there in the congregation. I know the previous EQP was sustained in sacrament mtg, the Bishop didn't realize it was bad until he read the handbook later, and in that instance the HC was also there and he didn't catch it either. You think that was bad... When I was called as a new branch president, I needed an Executive Secretary, so I just called one. We sustained him in sacrament meeting when a high councilor happened to be present. Well, HE was certainly surprised! Since that's supposed to be approved, and called, by the Stake. In this case, they approved him retroactively, but I got my first taste of the need to RTFM! (RFTM = Read The Freaking Manual) 2
Popular Post Stargazer Posted April 22, 2018 Popular Post Posted April 22, 2018 Okay, our stake president was on vacation overseas when the priesthood organization change was announced, so we've only just now gotten around to reorganizing our ward priesthood. The result is a little surprising, from a certain point of view, but I've had confirmation that this is the Lord's will, so there we are. And the result is: the previous Elders Quorum President, age 23, unmarried, was called to be the new EQP. His counselors are the previous HPGL assistants: my home teaching, er, ministering companion and myself. One might feel that the new EQP is a trifle inexperienced! He's a returned missionary (returned just a bit over a year ago). But his father is in the bishopric, and a long-time leader in the church before that, so he's presumably been raised with correct principles. And he does not seem overwhelmed by the new responsibility, in fact he seems to be approaching this larger responsibility in the best way one could want, that is with confidence. I think I am going to enjoy assisting him! 6
strappinglad Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 We got our EQP today. Pres is an Elder , one councilor HP one Elder. I only know the HP fellow. 1
Jeanne Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 28 minutes ago, strappinglad said: We got our EQP today. Pres is an Elder , one councilor HP one Elder. I only know the HP fellow. Are you upset or uneasy about this??
strappinglad Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 48 minutes ago, Jeanne said: Are you upset or uneasy about this?? Meh. To quote my granddaughter ... What EVER ! 1
Jeanne Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, strappinglad said: Meh. To quote my granddaughter ... What EVER !
Avatar4321 Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 We got a new Eqp today. He is an elder and was my home teachee. One of the counselors is a high priest and I don't know who the third is
Doctrine 612 Posted April 23, 2018 Posted April 23, 2018 President is a high priest former young men’s president. 1 counselor elder former elders quorum president. 2 counselor is a high priest former 2nd high priest group assistant.
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