Give your pet the licking it deserves

[hagoth7]

The OT, NT, BofM, and D&C affirm the need for every creature (not just every person) to taste the love of God. Through us.

And not just through our words, but through our actions.

I'm not a vet, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express once.

Encountered three awesome animals this weekend. Quinn (a healing animal), Rowdy (a guard animal), and Toby, an indoor animal.

The first two are aching/limping. And are both outdoor animals. The latter is mostly an indoor animal.

But it's hot outside. And just as we need something like gatorade or raw minerals to replenish the salt/potassium we lose in sweat, animals need a way to replace that too.

Cattle have salt licks. Sheep and other outdoor animals: salt licks. Some hunters are bad enough sports to use salt licks for bait to get a good kill shot.

Why don't we have sodium/potassium licks for our cats/dogs?

After I had worked on a fun outside project in the heat Monday, Toby came up and insisted on licking the sweat.

My cat Taz used to lick a lot (outdoor cat). And my indoor cat Pebbles once needed to be on IV, not so much because her liquids were low, but because her potassium was. She had gone into convulsions because of it. 

I felt terrible she had to go through that, and it was also a very expensive fix. Unnecessarily expensive, had I thought about salt licks.

If your dog or cat tries to lick you or your kids, please let them. They're probably getting salt that they need. They get to laugh. And it helps your kids build up germ resistance.

If you don't want them doing that please get your pet an appropriate salt lick.

I intend on unleashing a pet salt lick for the market soon. Please partner or compete with me.

Does that make a lick of sense?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_lick

Reminds me of the open house to the Oquirrh Mountain Temple. In the refreshment tent after the tour, they handed me a bottle of water that had the temple on it. I glanced at the ingredients...water...and salt. To replenish any lost...and to keep you just thirsty enough to keep coming back for more. :0)

Tricky hobbitses. Always salting the oats....;0)

Suggestions?

 

 

Edited July 26, 2017 by hagoth7

[MiserereNobis]

12 minutes ago, hagoth7 said:

Tricky hobbitses

Tricksy, man, it's tricksy.

[Duncan]

gee willy wonkers I really wish I could  but even reading Garfield makes me break out so.......................

Edited July 26, 2017 by Duncan

[hagoth7]

17 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

Tricksy, man, it's tricksy.

I speak pidgin/creole gollumese.

(It's a genetic Nephite/Ammonite/Levite Heinz57 affliction.)

Dunno if my Tourette's is genetic. If it is, it skipped a generation or three.

Edited July 26, 2017 by hagoth7

[MiserereNobis]

 

32 minutes ago, hagoth7 said:

I speak pidgin/creole gollumese.

Gollum called them tricksy.

You know, the thread title means that we should lick our pets, not that we should let our pets lick us...

[hagoth7]

28 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

Gollum called them tricksy.

You know, the thread title means that we should lick our pets, not that we should let our pets lick us...

Hmm.

Now you're gonna make me have to invent/design a tongue dehairifier. Argh.

Work, work, work.

OK, done.

Rebranded lint roller, here we come. :0)

Edited July 26, 2017 by hagoth7

[hagoth7]

37 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

You know, the thread title means...

I have not yet appointed you the arbiter of what my threads mean.

(That doesn't happen until after the eclipse.)

Don't jump the gun here, MN. :0)

Edited July 26, 2017 by hagoth7

[hagoth7]

1 hour ago, Duncan said:

gee willy wonkers I really wish I could  but even reading Garfield makes me break out so.......................

Well, just do as MN taught us, and lick your cat to get the sodium/potassium you need to press forward, and you'll have the strength to carry through...

[deli_llama]

For whatever round-about point is trying to be made here in the tread, let us be clear on one point for the safety of your pets: Vets recommend against salt/mineral licks for both dogs and cats. Additionally, mineral chews/licks for rodent pets, and things along the lines of salt lamps should be out of tongue reach for both cats and dogs. 

[hagoth7]

4 minutes ago, deli_llama said:

For whatever round-about point is trying to be made here in the tread, let us be clear on one point for the safety of your pets: Vets recommend against salt/mineral licks for both dogs and cats. Additionally, mineral chews/licks for rodent pets, and things along the lines of salt lamps should be out of tongue reach for both cats and dogs. 

Thank you.

What is the appropriate way for outdoor animals to replenish minerals lost during heat/sweat?

[ksfisher]

4 minutes ago, hagoth7 said:

Thank you.

What is the appropriate way for outdoor animals to replenish minerals lost during heat/sweat?

Dogs and cats don't sweat.

[deli_llama]

20 minutes ago, hagoth7 said:

Thank you.

What is the appropriate way for outdoor animals to replenish minerals lost during heat/sweat?

You need to be specific as to what animal.    I am going to assume you mean dogs here, but each kind of animal will have different needs. You don't try to raise a puppy on a rabbit's diet. 

Dogs don't sweat. They have very few sweat glands, mostly in the paws, but these likely play more of a role in odor based communication than it does heat exchange. Humans loose vital minerals when we sweat, dogs don't. A healthy diet should be more than adequate to supply a canine with the minerals she needs. 

Also, just because humans taste, and to a degree savor, salt, it doesn't mean dogs and cats do. At least not in the same way we do. For example, carrots are extremely sweet to dogs, not so much for humans. 

When your animals are licking you it doesn't necessarily mean they want your salt, although it can. It can also mean they are digging the acidic nature of your sweat. Or they might be licking for the flavors of the fatty aspects of humans sweat. They might even be licking particles from the fields you were laboring in. 

In heat like this it is very important that they have access to water, lots and lots of water. 

Edited July 26, 2017 by deli_llama

[deli_llama]

Adding this. Modern "convenience food" human diets are high enough in salt that they can be dangerous for the long term health of canines.

[The Nehor]

Did we become Kickstarter while I was on vacation?

[hagoth7]

2 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Did we become Kickstarter while I was on vacation?

Yes. Mankind is my business.

[hagoth7]

29 minutes ago, deli_llama said:

Adding this. Modern "convenience food" human diets are high enough in salt that they can be dangerous for the long term health of canines.

A land of milk and honey - taking something literal for a test drive

1. Earlier this year, was recommended by a pastor-friend to try a liquid diet for a very specific period of time.

2. As I was still considering that, some pot stirrer in this forum mentioned something timely about "meat" and the word of wisdom.

3. Riffed on both of those and ran with a core milk/honey trial diet, something which I am of course wresting to my own destruction.

Will simply say this: 1+2 = alive.

More alert. More energy. Drowsiness gone. A bit more patient. A bit more kind.

Not to mention that a grocery bill amounting to $2.50 every couple of days is a nice surprise bonus.

 

Mikey likes it.

 

And it's only fair fair that I divert *my own* thread for once.

Salt. Animals.

Milk. Honey.

Come to think about it, it isn't a diversion at all. Kinda central.

Edited July 26, 2017 by hagoth7

[hagoth7]

Speaking of honey, ever wonder why America is rapidly depleting its bee population, it's butterfly population...as if on purpose.

And those responsible...are laughing their way to retirement?

Any out there who put the blame on climate warming need their mother to give them a sharp tug on the ear. (And after reproving with sharpness....)

Blaming it on global warming is just a smoke screen. A patsy. A scapegoat. A means to sweep things under the carpet.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/26/world/un-bees-and-butterflies-report/index.html

 

 

Edited July 26, 2017 by hagoth7

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, hagoth7 said:

Speaking of honey, ever wonder why America is rapidly depleting its bee population, it's butterfly population...as if on purpose.

And those responsible...are laughing their way to retirement?

Any out there who put the blame on climate warming need their mother to give them a sharp tug on the ear. (And after reproving with sharpness....)

Blaming it on global warming is just a smoke screen. A patsy. A scapegoat. A means to sweep things under the carpet.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/26/world/un-bees-and-butterflies-report/index.html

 

 

Someone already figured out why the bees were disappearing:

 

[ksfisher]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Someone already figured out why the bees were disappearing:

 

And I was thinking it was all the pesticides. 

[hagoth7]

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Someone already figured out why the bees were disappearing:

...And the butterflies? 

Are they being killed, as ksf says...which is clearly true..

...or is it more true that what is left of them are withdrawing/migrating  (as your clip suggested...either seriously or tongue-in-cheek...as some animals do before something like an earthquake)?

Anyone got info on what happened, if anything, with pollinators in Japan before it's meltdown (and also before WW2 tragedies)...or about what happened, if anything, in Russia before it's meltdown?

I don't claim to have the best answer to that. Who does?

Again...not asking to cause fear. Asking to understand. 

Edited July 27, 2017 by hagoth7

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, hagoth7 said:

...And the butterflies? 

Are they being killed, as ksf says...which is clearly true..

...or is it more true that what is left of them are withdrawing/migrating  (as your clip suggested...either seriously or tongue-in-cheek...as some animals do before something like an earthquake)?

Anyone got info on what happened, if anything, with pollinators in Japan before it's meltdown (and also before WW2 tragedies)...or about what happened, if anything, in Russia before it's meltdown?

I don't claim to have the best answer to that. Who does?

Again...not asking to cause fear. Asking to understand. 

That was a joke.

I think there are a number of factors including increased agriculture, climate change, pesticides, and other factors.

[Stargazer]

12 hours ago, deli_llama said:

You need to be specific as to what animal.    I am going to assume you mean dogs here, but each kind of animal will have different needs. You don't try to raise a puppy on a rabbit's diet. 

Dogs don't sweat. They have very few sweat glands, mostly in the paws, but these likely play more of a role in odor based communication than it does heat exchange. Humans loose vital minerals when we sweat, dogs don't. A healthy diet should be more than adequate to supply a canine with the minerals she needs. 

Also, just because humans taste, and to a degree savor, salt, it doesn't mean dogs and cats do. At least not in the same way we do. For example, carrots are extremely sweet to dogs, not so much for humans. 

When your animals are licking you it doesn't necessarily mean they want your salt, although it can. It can also mean they are digging the acidic nature of your sweat. Or they might be licking for the flavors of the fatty aspects of humans sweat. They might even be licking particles from the fields you were laboring in. 

In heat like this it is very important that they have access to water, lots and lots of water. 

When I was in the Army and stationed in Germany back in the early 80's, I occasionally visited a German Army communications station, and since I speak German we got along well.  It happened that they had a nice German shepherd dog on site, and on one visit I noticed that they were feeding the dog carrots!  I asked them if the dog liked eating carrots, and they said that no, he didn't really, but since all they fed him was vegetables, he really had no choice.  I don't know if they were stringing me along on the vegetarian diet or not, but the dog was definitely eating a carrot.

You seem to know something about this, so can you enlighten me on whether or not a dog can survive on a vegetarian diet?

[Stargazer]

11 hours ago, hagoth7 said:

A land of milk and honey - taking something literal for a test drive

1. Earlier this year, was recommended by a pastor-friend to try a liquid diet for a very specific period of time.

2. As I was still considering that, some pot stirrer in this forum mentioned something timely about "meat" and the word of wisdom.

3. Riffed on both of those and ran with a core milk/honey trial diet, something which I am of course wresting to my own destruction.

Will simply say this: 1+2 = alive.

More alert. More energy. Drowsiness gone. A bit more patient. A bit more kind.

Not to mention that a grocery bill amounting to $2.50 every couple of days is a nice surprise bonus.

 

Mikey likes it.

 

And it's only fair fair that I divert *my own* thread for once.

Salt. Animals.

Milk. Honey.

Come to think about it, it isn't a diversion at all. Kinda central.

Well, I really like Life cereal.  So, you're saying that's a good thing to eat day after day?  Or are you drinking milk and honey, literally?

[deli_llama]

17 hours ago, Stargazer said:

When I was in the Army and stationed in Germany back in the early 80's, I occasionally visited a German Army communications station, and since I speak German we got along well.  It happened that they had a nice German shepherd dog on site, and on one visit I noticed that they were feeding the dog carrots!  I asked them if the dog liked eating carrots, and they said that no, he didn't really, but since all they fed him was vegetables, he really had no choice.  I don't know if they were stringing me along on the vegetarian diet or not, but the dog was definitely eating a carrot.

You seem to know something about this, so can you enlighten me on whether or not a dog can survive on a vegetarian diet?

Could a dog survive on a vegetarian or vegan diet?  Yes, but...

It would require a skilled veterinary nutritionist; I personally wouldn't attempt to do it on my own or recommend it. Dogs aren't carnivores, they are omnivores, with millennia of adaption to consuming human food refuse and scraps, including the fermenting bits (food refuse high in microbial cultures).  In practice, humans tend to treat them the other way around and imagine that they want a high/all protein (imagined) wolf like diet.   It was quite the fad for a while, just like a raw canine diet is now /eye-roll. 

An unskilled vegan or vegetarian diet for a dog could leave them with an inadequate protein intake, vitamin and mineral deficiencies, imbalanced amino acids, just like humans.  If done to a puppy it can lead to problems with mental development.  It can also lead to higher rates of obesity, tooth decay and dental problems.  It would be completely stupid (politely, not recommended) to try it with a breeding female.  Also, most humans that want dogs to be on veggie/vegan diets don't consider the dog's emotional states.  Just like humans, dogs have desires that are contribute to emotional health.  Meat is one of those comforting desires that needs to be satisfied for dogs.

Looping back to fermenting food and dogs, often times dogs with really bad, foul gas can see relief by adding probiotics into their diet.  A little kraut, mild kimchee, yogurt, or sour cream regularly added to the diet can be just as effective as it is for humans.  Probably more than you were asking, well now you know.

Edited July 27, 2017 by deli_llama
fat thumbs

[Calm]

Our dog loves carrots and apples...yogurt too (the plain, no sugar kind)

Carrots are actually recommended for dogs as healthy treats.

https://www.mnn.com/family/pets/stories/11-human-foods-dogs-can-eat-and-5-they-shouldnt