Garment changes

[Hamba Tuhan]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

Air drying in the sun is really good for whitening...

Even if it's raining, and it's been doing heaps of that lately, I still just air-dry inside the house, which is also what I do all winter long. The sun certainly helps to bleach whites (and everything else!), but I think machine drying may not help.

[Rain]

10 hours ago, clarkgoble said:

Do you have a source for that Calm? My wife wears hers under her bra because that's what she was taught but it's often not very comfortable for her. I'd love to be able to share a quasi-official source.

The only time I have heard from a quasi-official source was when my friend went through about 5 years ago and I was allowed to go through the instruction with her, but I've heard it through many, like those here who have heard it through the instruction as well.

 

8 hours ago, rongo said:

 

It isn't very correlated, and thank goodness for that! Specific counsel each of us is given in the temple about these non-correlated things varies, and I think that it is better this way. I think that we are accountable for what we were taught, and there need not be a grand unifying handbook about all things. 

For instance, I was told when I received my endowment not to put my garments on the floor; to treat them as sacred. I have been blessed as I have done this, and I feel the Spirit by obeying this counsel. Other people don't receive this counsel, and receive other specific counsel I haven't received. I think the counsel we get from the temple presidency/matron in these regards are akin to patriarchal blessings, and vary based on us and the temple presidencies and temples.

This is an example of "leader roullette" that I think is a good thing in the Church. It allows for temple presidencies to emphasize things that are important and dear to them.

There were 6 other women with all our moms/guides etc going through the temple when I first got the instruction. There was nothing personal about it for me. In fact, the matron kept calling us brides etc and it made me feel uncomfortable because I looked across the row and was the only one without an engagement ring and I was going on a mission.

 

4 hours ago, Jeanne said:

My mom always had them under her bra..

OFF TOPIC QUESTION.  I wash my Dad's garments...how do you guys get them so white???  Bleach is not good for my Dad's skin and I am having a heck of time..

Bleach is not good for most garments - it actually will take out some of the white. Like calm said it is best to look up specific fabrics, but here are some general things. 

Living in Logan some of your problem may be hard water. Do you have a water softener? That should help with keeping them a little more white. (I love how much whiter they keep here in Mesa verses Riverton!)

Using vinegar in place of fabric softener can also help with the Grey with the added bonus that it is cheap and also works as a softener. 

LIke others have said, sunlight does wonders for white. 

If you search for "garment white" there are a number of solutions to mix up which I haven' tried, but keep meaning too.

Another idea is to through a color catcher in with the clothes. Don't know if it will work,  but worth a try.

I love that you are respectful of keeping them white!

 

[Hamba Tuhan]

10 hours ago, rongo said:

For instance, I was told when I received my endowment not to put my garments on the floor; to treat them as sacred. I have been blessed as I have done this, and I feel the Spirit by obeying this counsel. Other people don't receive this counsel, and receive other specific counsel I haven't received.

The counsel that you received (and which I also received) is actually in the Handbook and therefore should be shared universally: 'The garment is sacred and should be treated with respect at all times. Garments should be kept off the floor'.

Edited December 5, 2017 by Hamba Tuhan

[Hamba Tuhan]

I just remembered that, ironically, the housemate who was certain that not washing his garments with any other object was a commandment straight from heaven would just throw them on the floor all the time... 

This is what happens when we don't teach what is actually written.

[Hamba Tuhan]

On 12/3/2017 at 2:23 PM, Erica said:

This is a bit off topic but I would really appreciate some dialog in regards to how often you all wear the garment. 

I wear the garment pretty much every moment that I'm not in water of some kind (shower, river, lake, ocean) or transitioning from being in water. I once went on a 'beach crawl' with a family in my branch, and they found it amusing that I put my garments and other clothing back on for each leg of travel between beaches, but that's what works for me. It helps, no doubt, that I am physically, emotionally and spiritually comforted by the presence of the garment. I've often thought that one of the worst impacts on me were I to ever lose my membership in the Church would be losing the right to wear the garment. I find nothing else even remotely comfortable.

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My struggle now is if I am actually temple worthy since I don’t wear them like the temple recommend interview asks me to. I really don’t feel like I can go back to wearing them 24/7 without some major repercussions to my spiritual and mental well being ( yes I know that may sound drastic to some of you but it’s how I feel). 

I second the advice from Calm earlier that you discuss this with someone. No one wants you to be miserable. And remember that custom-made garments are always an option, which can help if you know what is bothering you so much. All my best!

[Thinking]

This thread reminds me of a line from the BNL song "Pinch Me."

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I could hide out under there

I just made you say 'Underwear'

 

[rchorse]

11 hours ago, rongo said:

...For instance, I was told when I received my endowment not to put my garments on the floor; to treat them as sacred...

For what it's worth, this particular piece of counsel is correlated and is in the handbook: "The garment is sacred and should be treated with respect at all times. Garments should be kept off the floor. They should also be kept clean and mended. After garments are washed, they should not be hung in public areas to dry. Nor should they be displayed or exposed to the view of people who do not understand their significance." (Handbook 2, 21.1.42)

Edited December 5, 2017 by rchorse

[Bernard Gui]

On 12/3/2017 at 3:26 PM, mfbukowski said:

Regarding garment changes, I am in favor of changing garments daily.

I just wanted to go on the record with that.

The Polish captain stood before his men. “I have good news and I have bad news,” he said. “The good news is that today you get to change underwear.” All the men cheered at the good news. “The bad news is, Zdanowicz, you change with Jaworski; Grzyb, you change with Paliwoda, Kulkzyc....”

[Calm]

Oh please don't..my grandpa's one and only joke...lost count the times he told it.  And his chuckles, loved his chuckles....but why couldn't that precious commodity be spared for something else besides this and I Love Lucy?  By the time I was a teen .I died a little each time.

Edited December 5, 2017 by Calm

[mfbukowski]

8 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

The Polish captain stood before his men. “I have good news and I have bad news,” he said. “The good news is that today you get to change underwear.” All the men cheered at the good news. “The bad news is, Zdanowicz, you change with Jaworski; Grzyb, you change with Paliwoda, Kulkzyc....”

LOL!!

I was serving at the veil the other day had a brother came up with the name Stanislaw Mickiecwicz, and I just rattled off the name without a blink, he looked at my name tag, and finished the ceremony, and afterwards he sought me out and he gave me some great tips on Polish family history.

My daughter-in-law is of Russian ancestry and we had some great discussions at Thanksgiving dinner about polish jokes. All the other aliens at the table were of course non-Slavs, but spouses and close relative so we decided to let them sit there anyway.

 

 

Edited December 5, 2017 by mfbukowski

[bluebell]

9 hours ago, Thinking said:

This thread reminds me of a line from the BNL song "Pinch Me."

 

My husband still thinks that line is hilarious (and frequently tries to get me to say 'underwear') even though he's heard it a thousand times.  

[mfbukowski]

8 hours ago, rchorse said:

For what it's worth, this particular piece of counsel is correlated and is in the handbook: "The garment is sacred and should be treated with respect at all times. Garments should be kept off the floor. They should also be kept clean and mended. After garments are washed, they should not be hung in public areas to dry. Nor should they be displayed or exposed to the view of people who do not understand their significance." (Handbook 2, 21.1.42)

I have the privilege of assisting young men who are receiving their own endowments in the temple, and sometimes old ones too.

I have heard "the talk" regarding respecting garments from many Temple presidents many times over, and no two of the talks are exactly the same but all of them read that portion from the handbook as well as the portion included in Temple recommend interviews.

On the other hand I have never heard any recommendations about wearing other underwear over or under the garments. Women may think they have unique problems in this area but they don't.

I think every talk I have heard includes the idea of following the spirit in these very personal decisions.

I suppose somehow I will get flack for saying this but I'm used to it by now.

[bluebell]

3 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

On the other hand I have never heard any recommendations about wearing other underwear over or under the garments. Women may think they have unique problems in this area but they don't.

 

Garment problems that occur due to bras and monthly periods or having just given birth are not unique to women?

Edited December 5, 2017 by bluebell

[Tacenda]

15 hours ago, Jeanne said:

My mom always had them under her bra..

OFF TOPIC QUESTION.  I wash my Dad's garments...how do you guys get them so white???  Bleach is not good for my Dad's skin and I am having a heck of time..

They are gray originally and dyed white, so bleach won't do any good. Most of my garments eventually go a darker color. My husband's go almost dark gray, maybe it's how his skin interacts with the material, it's super weird. I guess the people that have white garments all the time, probably purchase them often. We may hold onto ours for way too long and don't buy them that often.

I just googled how to keep lds garments white and this reddit thread came up. I guess using "blueing" may help. https://lifehacker.com/keep-white-clothes-whiter-with-bluing-liquid-1633760416 I'll have to try it to see if it will work. Seriously though, my husband's garments only stay white for a short time before they are dark gray. I wish the church would use regular cotton material and not dyed. 

Edited December 5, 2017 by Tacenda

[clarkgoble]

29 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Garment problems that occur due to bras and monthly periods or having just given birth are not unique to women?

Those particular problems are unique to women. Men have their own unique problems due to the differing biology. Probably not best to go into details. LOL.

21 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Seriously though, my husband's garments only stay white for a short time before they are dark gray. I wish the church would use regular cotton material and not dyed. 

The church really ought have better fabrics across the board. Or go back to the way it used to be and let people sew in their own markings. I think I've mentioned a few times but back when I did a ton of winter sports I asked a Stake President if I could just use commercial thermals and sew the markings on. He said yes, although I never had the guts to actually do it. The reality was though that I just didn't wear garments doing the sports due to clumping and chaffing.

[rongo]

My wife has an *amazing* recipe for whitening white clothing. It has laundry detergent, borax, dishwasher detergent, bleach, and 5 gallons of boiling water. You heat the water, pour it in your large container, add the ingredients, add the white clothing, and push it all under with t broom handle. Leave overnight, and then wash clothing as normal. H.O.L.Y C.O.W! Brilliant white, and the water looks like paint water in the morning. It does remove all wrinkle-proofing, and probably ScotchGuard, but we treat our white shirts and garments monthly. It keeps gray garments brilliant white. 

[bluebell]

6 minutes ago, clarkgoble said:

Those particular problems are unique to women. Men have their own unique problems due to the differing biology. Probably not best to go into details. LOL.

No, I get that.  I just thought it was odd that mfb could not come up with any problems concerning wearing other underwear over or under the garments that are unique to women.  

[Tacenda]

16 minutes ago, rongo said:

My wife has an *amazing* recipe for whitening white clothing. It has laundry detergent, borax, dishwasher detergent, bleach, and 5 gallons of boiling water. You heat the water, pour it in your large container, add the ingredients, add the white clothing, and push it all under with t broom handle. Leave overnight, and then wash clothing as normal. H.O.L.Y C.O.W! Brilliant white, and the water looks like paint water in the morning. It does remove all wrinkle-proofing, and probably ScotchGuard, but we treat our white shirts and garments monthly. It keeps gray garments brilliant white. 

recipe?

[bluebell]

57 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

They are gray originally and dyed white, so bleach won't do any good. Most of my garments eventually go a darker color. My husband's go almost dark gray, maybe it's how his skin interacts with the material, it's super weird. I guess the people that have white garments all the time, probably purchase them often. We may hold onto ours for way too long and don't buy them that often.

I just googled how to keep lds garments white and this reddit thread came up. I guess using "blueing" may help. https://lifehacker.com/keep-white-clothes-whiter-with-bluing-liquid-1633760416 I'll have to try it to see if it will work. Seriously though, my husband's garments only stay white for a short time before they are dark gray. I wish the church would use regular cotton material and not dyed. 

 I've heard that using color safe bleach and washing them in cold water helps to keep them white longer. I agree that it's a bit annoying that the fabric is so hard to care for, and that there aren't any care instructions on each bag for that specific kind of fabric.

Edited December 5, 2017 by bluebell

[rongo]

6 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

recipe?

I'll have to get the proportions and get back. Not my department! 

[ksfisher]

1 hour ago, mfbukowski said:

I have the privilege of assisting young men who are receiving their own endowments in the temple, and sometimes old ones too.

I have heard "the talk" regarding respecting garments from many Temple presidents many times over, and no two of the talks are exactly the same but all of them read that portion from the handbook as well as the portion included in Temple recommend interviews.

On the other hand I have never heard any recommendations about wearing other underwear over or under the garments. Women may think they have unique problems in this area but they don't.

I think every talk I have heard includes the idea of following the spirit in these very personal decisions.

I suppose somehow I will get flack for saying this but I'm used to it by now.

If anyone is interested here is what Handbook 1 (3.4.5) has to say about wearing the garment.  It matches pretty much with the instruction I received in the temple 30 odd years ago.

Wearing and Caring for the Garment

Church members who have been clothed with the garment in a temple have taken upon themselves a covenant obligation to wear it according to the instructions given in the endowment. When issuing temple recommends, priesthood leaders should teach the importance of wearing the garment properly. Leaders also emphasize the blessings that are related to this sacred privilege. These blessings are conditioned on worthiness and faithfulness in keeping temple covenants.

The garment provides a constant reminder of the covenants made in a temple. When properly worn, it provides protection against temptation and evil. Wearing the garment is also an outward expression of an inward commitment to follow the Savior.

Endowed members should wear the temple garment both day and night. They should not remove it, either entirely or partially, to work in the yard or for other activities that can reasonably be done with the garment worn properly beneath the clothing. Nor should they remove it to lounge around the home in swimwear or immodest clothing. When they must remove the garment, such as for swimming, they should put it back on as soon as possible.

Members should not adjust the garment or wear it contrary to instructions in order to accommodate different styles of clothing. Nor should they alter the garment from its authorized design. When two-piece garments are used, both pieces should always be worn.

The garment is sacred and should be treated with respect at all times. Garments should be kept off the floor. They should also be kept clean and mended. After garments are washed, they should not be hung in public areas to dry. Nor should they be displayed or exposed to the view of people who do not understand their significance.

Members who have made covenants in the temple should be guided by the Holy Spirit to answer for themselves personal questions about wearing the garment. [emphasis mine]

[clarkgoble]

38 minutes ago, bluebell said:

No, I get that.  I just thought it was odd that mfb could not come up with any problems concerning wearing other underwear over or under the garments that are unique to women.  

Well speaking from experience there are pretty similar problems to wearing a bra over garments and wearing tight underwear like clothing over garments for athletics. If anything it might actually be worse. And that's not a place you want a lot of chaffing. <grin>

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They should not remove it, either entirely or partially, to work in the yard or for other activities that can reasonably be done with the garment worn properly beneath the clothing. Nor should they remove it to lounge around the home in swimwear or immodest clothing. When they must remove the garment, such as for swimming, they should put it back on as soon as possible.

I think the question is what "reasonably be done" means. Although I'll fully admit I probably wear my gym clothing longer than I should. (I'm wearing it right now even though I haven't made it to the gym yet)

Edited December 5, 2017 by clarkgoble

[ksfisher]

29 minutes ago, clarkgoble said:

 

I think the question is what "reasonably be done" means. Although I'll fully admit I probably wear my gym clothing longer than I should. (I'm wearing it right now even though I haven't made it to the gym yet)

I think intent is what is important here.  If I've changed into workout clothes do I keep them on longer than necessary because I'd rather be wearing something else or because that's just how life goes sometimes.  Wearing the garment should be a joy and not a burden in our lives.

Edited December 5, 2017 by ksfisher

[bluebell]

10 minutes ago, clarkgoble said:

Well speaking from experience there are pretty similar problems to wearing a bra over garments and wearing tight underwear like clothing over garments for athletics. If anything it might actually be worse. And that's not a place you want a lot of chaffing. <grin>

I think the question is what "reasonably be done" means. Although I'll fully admit I probably wear my gym clothing longer than I should. (I'm wearing it right now even though I haven't made it to the gym yet)

For most women, the problems with bras and garments don't have to deal with chaffing or comfort.  The problem is that bras don't work very well over garments for a lot of women (they don't fit right, they don't size right, and that means that they can't do their job properly, causing muscle problems in the shoulders and neck.)

Same goes for wearing garments bottoms and issues of menstruation or the severe bleeding that follows giving birth.  Garments prohibit certain things from functioning correctly.

[Tacenda]

2 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

I think intent is what is important here.  If I've changed into workout clothes to I keep them on longer than necessary because I'd rather be wearing something else or because that's just how life goes sometimes.  Wearing the garment should be a joy and not a burden in our lives.

Before the Carinessa II came out, wearing the garment was a burden in a small way, but big to me. My bottoms constantly rolled up on my leg and I was constantly trying to unroll them because you would see a bulging line around my leg. I think everyone's bodies are different and the garment lays on them uniquely.