my book of mormon map

[Rajah Manchou]

14 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

I am trying to imagine which animals are using that bridge for migration.  I realize that the birds will, but which land animals?

Cureloms? 

[notHagoth7]

50 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

Perhaps, when we find this Canadian silk, it will all have "Made in China" tags on them.

On a somewhat-related note, I've recently found ancient testimony of silk production, apparently referring to a place that historians/archaeologists have previously claimed silk didn't surface until centuries later.

[sam]

7 minutes ago, Rajah Manchou said:

Cureloms? 

If you can find a migrating land mammal that used that bridge we will call it a curelom.

[ksfisher]

20 minutes ago, notHagoth7 said:

On a somewhat-related note, I've recently found ancient testimony of silk production, apparently referring to a place that historians/archaeologists have previously claimed silk didn't surface until centuries later.

Where is that?

[rodheadlee]

19 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

I am trying to imagine which animals are using that bridge for migration.  I realize that the birds will, but which land animals?  The article doesn't name any.

According to Costa Rica The Complete Guide, Eco-Adventures in Paradise by Jame Kaiser half of the mammals in South America immigrated from North America across the land bridge., page 91. you can buy it for a penny on Amazon Books.

Perhaps this mammal answers a lot of questions about naming animals by the Nephites. If you look at the picture.

This is from centralamerica.com: http://www.centralamerica.com/cr/moon/momammal.htm

Tapirs 
Another symbol of the New World tropics is the strange-looking Baird's tapir (danta locally), a solitary, ground-living, plant-eating, forest-dwelling, ungainly mixture of elephant, rhinoceros, pig, and horse. The tapir uses its short, highly mobile proboscis--an evolutionary forerunner to the trunk of the elephant--for plucking leaves and shoveling them into its mouth. This endangered species is the largest indigenous terrestrial land mammal in Central America. Like its natural predator the jaguar, the tapir has suffered severely at the hands of man. The animal was once common in Costa Rica and ranged far and wide in the lowland swamps and forests. It was even present in the bamboo thickets up to 3,000 meters elevation in the Talamanca mountains. Hunters have brought it to the edge of extinction.

Today, tapirs are found only in national parks and reserves where hunting is restricted, with the greatest density in Corcovado National Park, which has a population of fewer than 300. They have learned to be wary of man, and few travelers have the privilege of sighting them in the wild. Tapirs live in dense forests and swamps and rely on concealment for defense. They are generally found wallowing up to their knees in swampy waters. In fact, tapirs are rarely seen far from water, to which they rush precipitously at the first sign of danger. The animals make conspicuous trails in the forest, and because tapirs maintain territories marked with dung or scent, they are easily tracked by dogs.

[Robert F. Smith]

5 hours ago, Rajah Manchou said:

Cureloms? 

I imagined that the cureloms, cumoms, and elephants were all extinct by Nephite times, but I could be wrong.  I just don't see anything but jaguars, peccaries, and the like moving around freely in wilderness areas, but not needing all of Central America in which to operate or migrate.  Certainly the Aamerican bison don't get down that far, and the llamas and vicunas didn't come north.  Which true migrating animals are we positing?

Edited September 12, 2016 by Robert F. Smith

[sam]

5 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

According to Costa Rica The Complete Guide, Eco-Adventures in Paradise by Jame Kaiser half of the mammals in South America immigrated from North America across the land bridge., page 91. you can buy it for a penny on Amazon Books.

Perhaps this mammal answers a lot of questions about naming animals by the Nephites. If you look at the picture.

This is from centralamerica.com: http://www.centralamerica.com/cr/moon/momammal.htm

Tapirs 
Another symbol of the New World tropics is the strange-looking Baird's tapir (danta locally), a solitary, ground-living, plant-eating, forest-dwelling, ungainly mixture of elephant, rhinoceros, pig, and horse. The tapir uses its short, highly mobile proboscis--an evolutionary forerunner to the trunk of the elephant--for plucking leaves and shoveling them into its mouth. This endangered species is the largest indigenous terrestrial land mammal in Central America. Like its natural predator the jaguar, the tapir has suffered severely at the hands of man. The animal was once common in Costa Rica and ranged far and wide in the lowland swamps and forests. It was even present in the bamboo thickets up to 3,000 meters elevation in the Talamanca mountains. Hunters have brought it to the edge of extinction.

Today, tapirs are found only in national parks and reserves where hunting is restricted, with the greatest density in Corcovado National Park, which has a population of fewer than 300. They have learned to be wary of man, and few travelers have the privilege of sighting them in the wild. Tapirs live in dense forests and swamps and rely on concealment for defense. They are generally found wallowing up to their knees in swampy waters. In fact, tapirs are rarely seen far from water, to which they rush precipitously at the first sign of danger. The animals make conspicuous trails in the forest, and because tapirs maintain territories marked with dung or scent, they are easily tracked by dogs.

I'm not going to comment on Tapirs being horses or migrating land mammals. Whatever little hair I do have will be gone

[Calm]

19 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

I am trying to imagine which animals are using that bridge for migration.  I realize that the birds will, but which land animals?  The article doesn't name any.

Yeah, the four articles I looked up on the corridor that night never specified unless I misunderstood (some was translated from Spanish) and pronghorn was the name of the deer they had a picture of on another page, but I think that was on a general endangered animals list.  I forgot about it the next day.  Was hoping when I got too tired to do more searching, someone else knowledgeable about the area (you or Brant) would say something and save me additional searching.  Try to get it tonight, but not seriously invested so may not.  The various pages did talk about the essential part of linking the corridor's fragments up for migration and I am thinking birds wouldn't need that so something on land must be migrating...

[Calm]

19 hours ago, sam said:

Oops sorry 

Doesn't bother me a bit.  

[Calm]

19 hours ago, sam said:

No the Nephites talked about migrating land mammals too.

Mosiah 18

4 And it came to pass that as many as did believe him did go forth to a place which was called Mormon, having received its name from the king, being in the borders of the land having been infested, by times or at seasons, by wild beasts.

Alma 22

31 And they came from there up into the south wilderness. Thus the land on the northward was called Desolation, and the land on the southward was called Bountiful, it being the wilderness which is filled with all manner of wild animals of every kind, a part of which had come from the land northward for food.

 

The first I see as quite possible, seasonal infestation by wild beasts certainly sounds like migration.  The bottom though sounds more like what happened with the landbridge, a one time movement ("had come", not "did come") due to a famine or other temporary pressure.

Edited September 13, 2016 by Calm

[Calm]

50 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

According to Costa Rica The Complete Guide, Eco-Adventures in Paradise by Jame Kaiser half of the mammals in South America immigrated from North America across the land bridge., page 91. you can buy it for a penny on Amazon Books.

But do they still migrate?  

[Calm]

6 hours ago, rodheadlee said:

Jaguars for one.

While Jaguars don't do seasonal migration I can find, it looks like they need large ranges for food and open ranging for reproduction (if the Mexico-US border fence goes up, the US Jaguars, of which there are a few, will not be able to sustain themselves.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar

[Rajah Manchou]

7 hours ago, sam said:

If you can find a migrating land mammal that used that bridge we will call it a curelom.

Migration is a seasonal thing and there aren't seasons in the tropics so near the equator. But then again elephants migrate annually along the same routes to find water and food sources, so maybe it is possible. However, I'm not sold on the idea that beast migration is something described in the Book of Mormon. There could be any number of interpretation for the verses provided by Sam and each model will offer a different interpretation based on what fits.

Seasonal infestation of a wilderness can happen without migration being involved. Infestation makes me think of predators or animals that have a negative impact on the ecosystem. Buffalo wouldn't be highest on my list for the animals that seasonally infest the wilderness around the Waters of Mormon. To me an infestation "by times or at seasons" sounds more like what happens around snowfall, or flooding during rainy seasons. Something that would frequently push animals into a new area, but yet varies from year to year.
 

[Rajah Manchou]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

If the Mexico-US border fence goes up, the US Jaguars, of which there are a few, will not be able to sustain themselves.

Ah the irony. I can imagine Trump drilling jaguar-sized holes in the wall so that the US Jaguars can continue being great while preventing the remnant of the Lamanites on the other side from returning to Zion.
 

[rodheadlee]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

But do they still migrate?  

I don't know. I couldn't find any info on it.There are only 2 seasons down there, wet and dry. Dry season starts around Christmas until about June. The seasons are different up near Chiapas inland to the high plains, they get snow in the mountains.

Edited September 13, 2016 by rodheadlee