Damien the Leper Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 This website and article are ridiculous. I don't know a single Mormon woman who would buy this drivel. http://biblicalgenderroles.com/2016/02/21/how-to-help-women-learn-their-place/
bluebell Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) His poor daughter and wife. I don't personally know any Christian women who would buy this (and this guy is definitely not mormon), but apparently there are some out there. Edited February 23, 2016 by bluebell 3
Popular Post Calm Posted February 23, 2016 Popular Post Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) The very title in the url "learn their place" creeps me out. Edited February 23, 2016 by Calm 5
Calm Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 Quote In marriage she ravishes her husband with her body and she never defrauds him Umm...I think there has been something lost in translation here. 3
JAHS Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 Not exactly the "Proclamation on the Family" is it? Glad we have latter-day prophets to help us apply the scriptures in a way to help us live and work together in this world today.
Ahab Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Valentinus said: This website and article are ridiculous. I don't know a single Mormon woman who would buy this drivel. http://biblicalgenderroles.com/2016/02/21/how-to-help-women-learn-their-place/ A very good message that should not be made a target for derision. Perhaps not as eloquently stated as possible so you could maybe help to clarify the message rather than mock it And while you're at it you could also maybe share a corresponding message for how a good man should behave and share a good message.
Rivers Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 I like the Proclamation on the Family better. But there are those call that sexist as well.
Calm Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Ahab said: A very good message that should not be made a target for derision. So you think women should be quiet and meek? That she should be submissive? That she should see herself as a helper to her husband, but not her husband as a helper to herself? That her husband is to be her master and not her equal partner? 1
Popular Post halconero Posted February 23, 2016 Popular Post Posted February 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Ahab said: A very good message that should not be made a target for derision. Perhaps not as eloquently stated as possible so you could maybe help to clarify the message rather than mock it And while you're at it you could also maybe share a corresponding message for how a good man should behave and share a good message. I can and will deride the utterly disgusting ways this man picks verses out of context, noticeably ignores ones that run counter to his narrative, with the end result being the marginalization of God's daughters. I went through almost the entire list before going back out to check on my BBQ asparagus and almost every verse he twists and cherry picks to place women under his sexualized, domineering form of patriarchy. 5
JLHPROF Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 So glad there is more truth in the restored gospel than this silly article. We on this board (and in the Church) may not agree on the separate roles of genders in the gospel, but at least the restored gospel gives us better understanding than this. Just having a doctrine of a Heavenly Mother, the counterpart to God the Father, shows how limiting and foolish this article is. 1
Saint Sinner Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, halconero said: I can and will deride the utterly disgusting ways this man picks verses out of context, noticeably ignores ones that run counter to his narrative, with the end result being the marginalization of God's daughters. I went through almost the entire list before going back out to check on my BBQ asparagus and almost every verse he twists and cherry picks to place women under his sexualized, domineering form of patriarchy. I'm beginning to see why Valentinus likes you so much.
Saint Sinner Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 Val, when you showed me this earlier all I could think of is how horrible it would have been had my father acted this way to my mother. It would have never happened as my mother wouldn't tolerate it.
The Nehor Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 6 hours ago, Calm said: Umm...I think there has been something lost in translation here. I doubt it.
Popular Post The Nehor Posted February 23, 2016 Popular Post Posted February 23, 2016 It is cute how people imagine that 1950's gender roles and biblical gender roles are almost absolutely identical. 5
VideoGameJunkie Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 I am shocked at all the positive comments in the link to the OP blog.
thesometimesaint Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 My mom would have told this guy where to get off.
Saint Sinner Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 The site owner addresses the straw-man argument. Every single paragraph is a red flag to me. A “straw man argument” is when a person does not wish to or cannot refute what a person is arguing for. So instead they add things to what that person has said, and then attack what they themselves have added. This is what many who attack this site attempt to do. Rather than trying to refute what I teach(based on the Bible) that it is wrong for wives to sexually deny their husbands or consent but give sex grudgingly some people choose to build a straw man that I am advocating for rape and they fight against their own imagined argument. I have made this statement before and I stand by it: Biblically speaking, there is no such thing as “marital rape” – HOWEVER, there is such a thing as physical abuse. While the Bible does not speak specifically to this case of a man forcing himself on his wife, I believe it is a case of physical abuse. So what others call rape, I call abuse. In the same way that when someone is wrongfully killed it might be first degree murder, second degree murder or man slaughter what we call “physical abuse” and what we call “rape” is dependent on the relationship between the man and woman in question. There is no doubt a wrong has been committed. But what we call it, and how it is punished or dealt with is very different depending on the circumstances. But make no mistake – I do not condone what I call physical abuse (a man forcing himself upon his wife) and what others call rape in marriage. A husband should NEVER EVER force himself upon his wife. But should I and Christian Pastors and Christian teachers stop teaching I Corinthians 7:1-5 which clearly states a husband has power over his wife’s body and the wife has power over her husband’s body because some men may use that to support the idea that they can force themselves on their wives? Just because the Scriptures talk about something and that teaching can be perverted for wrong does not mean we should stop teaching what the Bible says. So yes many Christians and non-Christians may disagree with my teaching men to confront sexual denial in their marriage through discipline and correlation. You might disagree that I teach men they can pull back on dates, and trips and other wants their wives have, not in retaliation, but to discipline and train their wives through correlation when they sexually refuse them or grudgingly consent to sex. You may think that if a husband tries to gently talk to his wife, and seek counseling that after that if his wife refuses him sexually or grudgingly gives sex that there is nothing he can do about this. You may believe called calls him to suffer in silence . You might believe that it is wrong that I advice men that after they have tried for years to deal with their wife’s chronic sexual refusal, sought counseling, the church leadership and used every other Biblical means to get their wife to repent they can divorce her for her unfaithfulness as God divorced his wife Israel for hers. You may believe that a husband has no authority or power to use discipline and correlation with his wife in regard to her submission in all areas(not just sex). Those are discussions we can have – but let’s not have imaginary arguments that I am defending rape or physical abuse of women.
Tacenda Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 In the comments section they are discussing how the woman should act like a little kid around her husband because he will like that. I smell a bunch of stepfords here.
Saint Sinner Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 He moderates the comments and removes the refutations and negative comments on the basis that he does not have time but is capable of defending his position.
bluebell Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 This is a great example of how bad religion can be when it is misunderstood and misused. 1
JLHPROF Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 9 hours ago, The Nehor said: It is cute how people imagine that 1950's gender roles and biblical gender roles are almost absolutely identical. It's cute how the Proclamation seems to think that 1950's gender roles and family roles are the eternal pattern. The 19th century saints certainly didn't think so. The saints in Christ's day didn't seem to think so. The OT saints wouldn't have thought so.
mtomm Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) Although the POF isn't perfect it's certainly better than this drivel by leaps and bounds. I feel a man would have to have some terrible self-esteem if he needs to treat his wife like this. Edited February 23, 2016 by mtomm 2
thesometimesaint Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, mtomm said: Although the POF isn't perfect it's certainly better than this drivel by leaps and bounds. I feel a man would have to have some terrible self-esteem if he needs to treat his wife like this. Or the woman putting up with that crap. 3
Traela Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 10 hours ago, Tacenda said: In the comments section they are discussing how the woman should act like a little kid around her husband because he will like that. I smell a bunch of stepfords here. They were referencing Fascinating Womanhood and possibly a teen version thereof. I looked through it once. It made some interesting points, but the whole thing was so over the top that I was left feeling very ewwww. 1
Ahab Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 14 hours ago, Calm said: So you think women should be quiet and meek? That she should be submissive? That she should see herself as a helper to her husband, but not her husband as a helper to herself? That her husband is to be her master and not her equal partner? I was commenting on the overall message from all of those quotes in the Bible about how women should be, generally. The message is good although perhaps not as eloquently stated as it could be. The tricky part for some is to correctly understand what those people had in mind when they wrote those things that are written in the Bible. And then of course there are some people who do not agree with what those people had in mind even when they correctly understand their message.
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