Vance Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things. The true servants of Christ are supposed to preach it. Do they do that because it isn't possible to repent?
Vance Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 19 ¶ Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Peter indicates that it is important. Where did he get such an idea?
Vance Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. Not much of a gift if it can't be done.
Vance Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Are you going to be the one to tell God that He asks for the impossible? Can I watch, from a distance of course?
Vance Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Is the goodness of God insufficient?
Vance Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed. Paul indicates that it is expected. Why would he expect the impossible?
Popular Post Ginger Snaps Posted October 11, 2015 Popular Post Posted October 11, 2015 A couple of things.If I'm reading correctly, you seem to think that you need to qualify for grace; that grace is something that can come ONLY AFTER you have expended your very best effort. This is not true. Grace is an enabling and strengthening power that we have access to every day. As we make covenants, our accountability is increased, but we also have more ability to call on the powers of heaven to help us live up to those covenants. That is grace. Grace helps you to do more than you can do on your own. Grace helps you to become more than you can on your own. Grace will increase your efforts *and your results* beyond anything you can possibly do on your own. I don't think you have anything in your long list of quotes about Dieter F Uchtdorf's recent talk on grace:https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2015/04/the-gift-of-grace?lang=engYes, we all sin every day, and we all have to repent frequently. We are washed clean at baptism, but quickly become unclean again. That is why the ordinance of the sacrament is built into the system. That is a way to renew those baptismal covenants and become just as clean again every week. The price for our sins has *already been paid*. Paid in full. It's up to us whether we want to avail ourselves of that payment and constantly recommit ourselves to Christ. Our temple covenants bind us further to Him. So what happens if you yell at your spouse and then walk outside and get hit by a truck? Are you out of luck? I don't think so. I think the fact that we've been working towards becoming better, that we've been trying to repent and recommit ourselves and calling on grace to become better is going to weigh in our favor. The Lord didn't set us up for failure. He set us up for success. Furthermore, I think too often we equate sin with weakness. I love love love this quote by Elder Scott: The joyful news for anyone who desires to be rid of the consequences of past poor choices is that the Lord sees weaknesses differently than He does rebellion. Whereas the Lord warns that unrepented rebellion will bring punishment,when the Lord speaks of weaknesses, it is always with mercy.https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2013/10/personal-strength-through-the-atonement-of-jesus-christ?lang=eng 5
bluebell Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 Why do you have to repent every day? Doesn't repenting mean forsaking all of your sins and denying yourself of all ungodliness? If you've done that, why do you have to do it again? If I'm still sinning after I have repented, have I truly repented?D&C 82: 77And now, verily I say unto you, I, the Lord, will not lay any sin to your charge; go your ways and sin no more; but unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, saith the Lord your God.April 1995 "Finding Forgiveness" Richard G. Scotthttps://www.lds.org/general-conference/1995/04/finding-forgiveness?lang=engAbandonment of sin. This is an unyielding, permanent resolve to not repeat the transgression. By keeping this commitment, the bitter aftertaste of that sin need not be experienced again. Remember: “But unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return.” 10 Joseph Smith declared: “Repentance is a thing that cannot be trifled with every day. Daily transgression and daily repentance is not … pleasing in the sight of God.” 11If I repent and don't sincerely desire to forsake that sin, then no, I have not repented. It's just lip service. But Jesus said that those who hunger and thirst after righteous will be filled. To hunger and thirst after something means you currently don't have it, but you do want it. I hunger and thirst after forsaking my sins and being perfect (as Christ has commanded we all MUST be) and I know that as long as continue to want those things that Christ makes it enough thru His grace. Repenting of my weaknesses every day is one way that my hunger and thirst manifests itself. 4
Avatar4321 Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 The grace of God is what helps us repent. 1
filovirus Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 A couple of things.If I'm reading correctly, you seem to think that you need to qualify for grace; that grace is something that can come ONLY AFTER you have expended your very best effort. This is not true. Grace is an enabling and strengthening power that we have access to every day. As we make covenants, our accountability is increased, but we also have more ability to call on the powers of heaven to help us live up to those covenants. That is grace. Grace helps you to do more than you can do on your own. Grace helps you to become more than you can on your own. Grace will increase your efforts *and your results* beyond anything you can possibly do on your own. I don't think you have anything in your long list of quotes about Dieter F Uchtdorf's recent talk on grace:https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2015/04/the-gift-of-grace?lang=engYes, we all sin every day, and we all have to repent frequently. We are washed clean at baptism, but quickly become unclean again. That is why the ordinance of the sacrament is built into the system. That is a way to renew those baptismal covenants and become just as clean again every week. The price for our sins has *already been paid*. Paid in full. It's up to us whether we want to avail ourselves of that payment and constantly recommit ourselves to Christ. Our temple covenants bind us further to Him. So what happens if you yell at your spouse and then walk outside and get hit by a truck? Are you out of luck? I don't think so. I think the fact that we've been working towards becoming better, that we've been trying to repent and recommit ourselves and calling on grace to become better is going to weigh in our favor. The Lord didn't set us up for failure. He set us up for success. Furthermore, I think too often we equate sin with weakness. I love love love this quote by Elder Scott: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2013/10/personal-strength-through-the-atonement-of-jesus-christ?lang=engIf I could give this post a thousand rep points I would.So what does Christ expect from us? This:1) we are willing to take upon us the name of Jesus Christ2) we are willing to always remember Jesus Christ3) we are willing to keep his commandmentsNotice in the promises that we make at baptism and weekly by partaking of the sacrament we use of the word "willing". Nowhere do we promise that we will be perfect at life. We just need to be willing to give it our best effort. In this sense we are saved through, or with, Christ. As we make this covenant each one of us are in a partnership with Him. When we do this, we are perfected in Him. He makes up for our sins as we repent and strive to live better. 2
Raingirl Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 So, some porn is ok? However did you come to that conclusion from what Duncan wrote? Did you not bother to research the material Or is your problem one of comprehension? 3
filovirus Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) So what happens if you yell at your spouse and then walk outside and get hit by a truck? Are you out of luck? I don't think so. I think the fact that we've been working towards becoming better, that we've been trying to repent and recommit ourselves and calling on grace to become better is going to weigh in our favor. The Lord didn't set us up for failure. He set us up for success.If we are striving to live our baptismal covenants, we are "justified" before the Father through our partnership with His son, Jesus Christ. Grace will cover us.BTW, this devotional address given at BYU goes into a little more detail about the enabling power of the atonement. One of my favorite discourses from E. Bednar. https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/david-a-bednar_strength-lord/ Edited October 11, 2015 by filovirus 1
Thinking Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 Can you give me an example of a transgression or mistake that is not considered a sin? Intent would be the determining difference. I am driving on the freeway and another driver cuts me off. I get mad and pull up close and tap his bumper. I am driving on the freeway and don't notice the brake lights of the car in front of me soon enough so I can't slow my car in enough time and I end up tapping his bumper.
Senator Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 You ask a very good question. The answer seems obvious and simple. However, given the length of many of the explanations to the simple answer, it appears it is not as easy as it seems. I have thought about this many times. I still don't have a simple answer. Is repentance of sin possible? Yes Is complete repentance of all sin possible in this life? Look at the track record.
Meadowchik Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) It's possible, at least, enough so that we can progress further in this life, learn more, do good, and experience joy. Complete repentance is something that might not come until the next life, but the thing is, it's more worth it do try and only succeed partially or some of the time than never try. Edited October 11, 2015 by Meadowchik 1
Bee Sweet Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 I don't know if I've repented or am just too old to sin. 1
BTH&T Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 It's possible, at least, enough so that we can progress further in this life, learn more, do good, and experience joy. Complete repentance is something that might not come until the next life, but the thing is, it's more worth it do try and only succeed partially or some of the time than never try. One of the most difficult parts of repenting completely is forgiving ourselves. We need to stop beating ourselves up. Getting the knowledge that we are forgiven takes getting the spirit back. Humble effort and prayer. 2
Avatar4321 Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 May I recommend that if you want to repent study and apply Elder Lawrence's conference talk in your lives. I just started a thread on it.
Glenn101 Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 Actually I do think it is pretty simple. One can completely repent of any one sin. He or she can go through all of the steps necessary for that problem he or she may have and can completely put it to rest. It is a progression, just as everything in this life is concerning the gospel. Of course some things are tougher than others. Drug addictions, actually any type of addiction, is tough, but it can be done. It has to be done at some point. We have to stop doing some things, for the right reasons, and we have to start doing other things, or doing them better, for the right reasons. And hopefully some time in the near next life we will become "just men (and women) made perfect". Glenn 2
Flyonthewall Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 It is good that you come to an LDS board to ask what LDS beleive, but the other side of that is to lay aside your own interpretation of what you think talks and scriptures mean and hear what actual LDS believe about those talks and scriptures. You may read LDS talks and scriptures and come away with something totally different than what was meant due to a totally different point of reference. If you really want to understand what we believe then you must come from the same place. DON'T try and tell us what we believe or how to understand our own leaders. DO ask us how we understand things. To answer your question, which I believe I did on the other thread(sheesh, leave for the weekend and all sorts of things happen), it is possible to truly repent. It seems you are trying to overlay on top of our beleifs that you first must be perfect in order to receive forgiveness. That is putting the cart before the horse, or like starting a journey at your destination. It is through our repentance that we receive grace/forgiveness for turning away from sin. Do we repent of everything at once? no. We repent one thing at a time, sometimes more than one thing but much easier one thing at a time. It is through a long series of steps that we arrive at where we are going. If we repent of a sin and do it again, we repent again until we get it right. As long as our intent is true and not just lip service we are good. The "after all you can do" verse that normally confuses non-LDS is misunderstood because they do not read the context in which it is given. The people to whom it was given were under the Mosaic Law but they knew salvation did not come by the Mosaic Law - it came by the grace of Christ through their faith... but that didn't mean they could ignore the Mosaic Law, they still had to obey it. Now to apply it to us in our lives, we know that our works will not bring salvation to us, salvation is only by the grace of Christ through our faith. We also know that faith without works is dead, so we cannot simply not do any works - we must obey His commands - love God, love our neighbor, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick, have faith, repent, be baptized, etc... Hopefully this adds to everything else that has been posted to give you a better picture 3
KevinG Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 I don't know if I've repented or am just too old to sin. Yes- I am a lustful being. But mostly in theory these days. ;-) 1
Anakin7 Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) From my LDS Kryptonian Saint/Christian Archives on True Repentance [ From one Christian Evangelical Apologist ] - http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/repentance.htm BlahBlahBlaH which Christian Faith and Church do you Worship [ No address or Town, just in general ] Armenianism, Calvinism ?. I know i have asked before but perhaps a general answer without location would be more comfortable for you. May True Grace be with you and those you Love. In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7 Edited October 12, 2015 by Anakin7
CV75 Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 So my question is... is true repentance possible?Yes, i do it all the time. Over and over.
Anakin7 Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 More on Repentance from my LDS Kryptonian Archive. From non LDS Christians - http://www.gospelway.com/salvation/repentance.php In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7
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