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Michael Homer's Book On Mormism And Masonry

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Has anyone on this board read Michael Homer's new book, Joseph's Temples: The Dynamic Relationship between Freemasonry and Mormonism?

 

Likewise, is anyone aware of any reviews of the book other than those on Amazon?  In other words, full-length, in-depth reviews, not a few sentences. 

 

 

 

 

cdowis Grand Master

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Why are temple ceremonies and masonry so similar? Do the masons have some truth?

 

As I remember, masonry has its roots in Solomon's temple rites.

Calm Grand Master

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Why are temple ceremonies and masonry so similar? Do the masons have some truth?

Depends on what you mean by truth. As an organization they are about making men better people, they are not a religion but iirc do require a belief in God, but not necessarily the Christian view (though different lodges may require a particular belief). FairMormon has quite a bit on masonry, it also has several members who are masons who can answer specific questions if you have them.

I look at the similarities between the temple ceremony and masonry as JS simply borrowing language to teach, much like one might borrow some nursery rhymes to teach numbers to kids. Masonry was a familiar symbolic culture that was easily adapted by JS, but I have been told it looks more similar than it really is once you know the context of both ceremonies and what they are supposed to mean.

volgadon Grand Master

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I'm really looking forward to publication of the somewhat different approach taken by Joe Swick and Cheryl Bruno.

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I'm really looking forward to publication of the somewhat different approach taken by Joe Swick and Cheryl Bruno.

Can you elaborate on what their approach might be?

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As I remember, masonry has its roots in Solomon's temple rites.

I thought this had been pretty well debunked as myth, even in apologetic circles.

The freemasonry signs and symbols root don't go back nearly that far.

wenglund Grand Master

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I thought this had been pretty well debunked as myth, even in apologetic circles.

The freemasonry signs and symbols root don't go back nearly that far.

 

Are you talking about the compass?

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

mfbukowski Grand Master

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Not really.

Uh, I think that cannot be shown convincingly.

 

Proving where they did "not come from" would be a bit problematic.  The real question is the origin of PRESENTLY used "Masonic" symbols, which are clearly of ancient origin.

 

The Star of David, obviously is of ancient origin and includes elements used presently by Masons, but that does not make it a "Masonic Symbol" any more than putting a triangle and an eye on the dollar bill makes THAT symbol an "American Symbol"

 

Clearly there are elements in descriptions of Solomons temple which use what are today called "Masonic Symbols".  The fact that Masonic organizations as they are presently organized use those symbols today says nothing about their origins, any more than someone hundreds of years in the future saying the eye surrounded by a triangle originated with the dollar bill.

mfbukowski Grand Master

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Alas, not yet.

I sniff something good a'brewing and I have a guess what it is....   ;)

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mfbukowski Grand Master

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I thought this had been pretty well debunked as myth, even in apologetic circles.

The freemasonry signs and symbols root don't go back nearly that far.

Not according to even our Facsimiles which include "Masonic" symbols which have Egyptian origins.  Facsimile 2, figure 7 shows a figure arguably raising his arm to a square which ends in a compass.

 

No, I am not talking about the other "arm"

mfbukowski Grand Master

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There is more to the Masons than the symbols.

They make really good jars.  :crazy:

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My book, Bleached Bones and Wicked Serpents: Ancient Warfare in the Book of Mormon, just came out in print, so I haven't had a chance to look at this book. Sorry.

Where can one get your book?

mfbukowski Grand Master

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Since it appears we are reporting on who has not read the book, count me in.  I also have not read it.  Would you like my reasons?

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Uh, I think that cannot be shown convincingly.

 

Proving where they did "not come from" would be a bit problematic.  The real question is the origin of PRESENTLY used "Masonic" symbols, which are clearly of ancient origin.

 

The Star of David, obviously is of ancient origin and includes elements used presently by Masons, but that does not make it a "Masonic Symbol" any more than putting a triangle and an eye on the dollar bill makes THAT symbol an "American Symbol"

 

Clearly there are elements in descriptions of Solomons temple which use what are today called "Masonic Symbols".  The fact that Masonic organizations as they are presently organized use those symbols today says nothing about their origins, any more than someone hundreds of years in the future saying the eye surrounded by a triangle originated with the dollar bill.

We're not just talking about a few symbols the two ceremonies share. There are entire sections of the ceremony with nearly identical phraseology and there used to be even more before they were removed from the temple ceremony.

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