Reserved Parking

[JLHPROF]

I have to say, this was a new one on me.

 

http://bycommonconsent.com/2014/07/20/wwjp/

 

Does anyone else have reserved parking at their stake center?  I have of course seen Temple Presidency parking at every temple

[Duncan]

never heard of this

[longview]

uh oh . . . elitistism creeping into the chruch . . . time for some house cleaning . . .

[Calm]

I think I've seen it at least at one, maybe two...one in Canada and one in Utah..mainly because I remember telling my husband we shouldn't park there just because I am the kind of person who thinks it is polite to obey rules even when silly and not necessary and he reasonably pointed out it not being Sunday, the whole parking lot was available.

[mfbukowski]

I have to say, this was a new one on me.

 

http://bycommonconsent.com/2014/07/20/wwjp/

 

Does anyone else have reserved parking at their stake center?  I have of course seen Temple Presidency parking at every temple

At least they got it doctrinally correct with the 1st Counselor on the "right hand" of the president, the way they would sit on the stand.

Pretty creepy.

[Pahoran]

uh oh . . . elitistism creeping into the chruch . . . time for some house cleaning . . .

Elitistism?

Maybe it's really time for some spellingism...

Regards,

Pahoran

[strappinglad]

That's called creative word expression , Pahoran. They have handicap spots around our building. Maybe a couple of those could be reserved for the SP seeing the extra burden they carry from all the faithless members.

[Doctrine 612]

I would park there every sunday.

I had a simular experience in stake confrence, but I showed up early (1.5 hours ) and had the whole chapel to my self, this was going to be a good one since an apostle was coming, then the stake clerk started to put up reserved tape on the pews also the one I was in then told me to move back 5 rows I said ok, it's must be for the investigators or the new converts right. And as I was getting up he said no it's for the family's of the stake presidency. Then I sat my big butt right back down and said this pew is reserved for my family, I got here on time. He made a big deal about it, and told the stake prez who came to ask me to move, but when he saw me, ( we go way back, I don't let things slide, and call bull when it needs to be said) he shaked my hand and said enjoy the meeting, then went back to the office.

My family and I had a great time, even got to shake the apostles hand and talk to him for a few minutes.( since he knew my wife when she was a missionary).

I think all callings are inportant I put 4 to 8 hours sometimes even more in to my calling every week, even tho I work 50 plus hours a week at my day job.

No one should get special treatment, because of there calling.

Ok iam done with my rant.

[Kenngo1969]

Two thoughts:

 

(1) The way the spots' "labels" are unobtrusively painted on the small curb rather than indicated by signs might mean that few people will see (and heed) them anyway.

 

(2) It seems unnecessary, given the fact that the Stake Presidency is likely to show up plenty early for any meeting at which parking is at a premium.

[Storm Rider]

Our stake in Washington has them.  The lot seems rather small and parking comes at a premium. We often park at a shopping center a few blocks away and walk to the stake center.  If they are willing to serve then I have no problems giving them a few privileges.  

 

Now, when they start reserving seating for families of leadership then that is where a line is drawn.  You want the pew come early; you don't care then take what you can get when you finally traipse into the building. 

[BookofMormonLuvr]

Our stake in Washington has them.  The lot seems rather small and parking comes at a premium. We often park at a shopping center a few blocks away and walk to the stake center.  If they are willing to serve then I have no problems giving them a few privileges.  

 

Now, when they start reserving seating for families of leadership then that is where a line is drawn.  You want the pew come early; you don't care then take what you can get when you finally traipse into the building. 

I am also from Washington State, and I swear the Stake I grew up in had a spot for the SP.

[nosmelone]

I've never seen this before but I had to laugh at the suggestions in the article.

 

Front Row Family

Former Bishop

Visiting Authority

Pioneer Stock

Pays on the Gross

Modesty Police

Extended Family of General Authority

Self-appointed Greeter

New Convert (valid only two Sundays after baptism, after which you will be assigned a numbered space)

Investigator

MoTab Hopeful

Totally Should Have Been EQP

Modestly Hot

Ward Basketball MVP

Possesses Library Key

Romney Campaign Contributor

Year Supply

Two Year Supply

Calling Magnifier

Totally Quit the Porn

All Kids Married in the Temple

ZL in First Area

Never Felt Unequal

Tastiest Sacrament Bread

Totally In With All the Youth

DoTerra Rep of the Month

Top Name Extractor

These are classics! 

[mnn727]

3 times my assigned Ward has met at the Stake Center  in 3 different states, and I've never seen this.

Were I the Stake President I would ask that it be removed. 

[Storm Rider]

I hope that you are called as the next stake president. Enjoy.

[Guest]

I have to say, this was a new one on me.

 

http://bycommonconsent.com/2014/07/20/wwjp/

 

Does anyone else have reserved parking at their stake center?  I have of course seen Temple Presidency parking at every temple

No and if I saw it, I would park there just to teach one of my best friends whom I served with in the while Bishop and now Stake President.

[ksfisher]

It doesn't seem to make any sense to make judgements about why or why not a stake president should have a reserved parking space without knowing the reason why this particular stake has chosen to reserve the spot.

 

My guess would be that parking is at a premium in that particular lot. 

 

In my stake the stake president will visit several different wards on a Sunday.  He also will have a number of meetings.  We don't have problems with parking, but if we did I can imagine the people whom the stake president was to meet with spending part of that meeting time waiting for the president to find a parking space.

[ksfisher]

No and if I saw it, I would park there just to teach one of my best friends whom I served with in the while Bishop and now Stake President.

 

What lesson would you be taking upon yourself to teach the stake president?

[longview]

Elitistism?

Maybe it's really time for some spellingism...

Regards,

Pahoran

Thanks.   I must be been blurried eyed.  (my spellchecker is squawking on my use of blurried, go ahead and correct me).

[LoudmouthMormon]

I'm reminded of three things.   First, a voice of warning:

 

Joseph Fielding Smith, Church History and Modern Revelation, Vol 1, p.103

It is a very interesting study to discover how ordinances and doctrines became changed in the first centuries of the Christian era. These changes date back even to the days of the apostles. Paul frequently had to rebuke, warn and counsel with the members in the several branches which he was instrumental in organizing when on his missionary journeys. He severely rebuked the saints at Corinth for desecrating the holy ordinance of the Sacrament and turning it into a feast where the Spirit of the Lord could not be present.

 

The first changes that came, evidently came innocently because some enterprising bishop or other officer endeavored to introduce into his meetings, or among his congregation something new—just a little different, in advancement of that which was practiced elsewhere. This tendency is very apparent in the wards and stakes of the Church today.

 

For example, let us consider the ordinance of the Sacrament. It became the custom in many wards throughout the church to have the young men who passed the Sacrament all dressed alike with dark coats, white shirts and uniform ties. This could in time lead to the established custom of dressing them in uniform, such as we see done in some sectarian and other churches. Then again as they passed the Sacrament they had to stand with their left hand plastered on their backs in a most awkward manner. The priests or elders who administered these holy emblems had to stand in a certain way as the one officiating in the prayer knelt at the table. In some instances the Bishop stood in the pulpit with raised hands in an attitude of benediction. Other customs among the quorums and in the services of the wards were introduced. Members of the Church were instructed that they must not touch the trays containing the bread and the water with their left hand, but must take it in their right hand after partaking as their neighbor held the tray in his or her right hand. In the Priesthood in the wards, we now have "supervisors" directing the activities of the deacons and the priests. How long will it take before these supervisors are considered as a regular part of the Priesthood and it will be necessary to set them apart or ordain them to this office? So we see that we, if we are not careful, will find ourselves traveling the road that brought the Church of Jesus Christ in the first centuries into disrepute and paved the way for the apostasy.

 

 

Second, this article:  LDS Church unveils plans for eco-friendly building in Eagle Mtn.

 

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has put in place an array of energy-conserving technologies at a new meetinghouse, part of a three-state pilot program, in Farmington. Some of the features include:

 

Solar power generation

Foam insulation

Low-E Solarban 70 window glass

Tankless water heaters

Computer-monitored heating and cooling

Motion sensors that shut off unneeded lighting

Web-connected thermostats that monitor power failures and reduce maintenance calls

Web-casting technology to stream stake meetings to ward meetinghouses

Drought-tolerant landscaping with moisture sensors and weather monitors to control watering

Dumpsters for recyclables

Low-volume, variable-flush toilets

Bike racks and preferred parking for gas-electric hybrid and other low-fuel vehicles

 

 

 

Third, this fun reaction to someone who read #2:  "I hope that ward has two Elders Quorums. They will need a "green" quorum and a "don't make me park on the second row and ask to borrow my truck" quorum. Have fun stuffing a couch in a Prius."

Edited July 21, 2014 by LoudmouthMormon

[CV75]

I have to say, this was a new one on me.

 

http://bycommonconsent.com/2014/07/20/wwjp/

 

Does anyone else have reserved parking at their stake center?  I have of course seen Temple Presidency parking at every temple

If that were done where I live, I know a few members who would "exercise" their "keys"!!!

[mfbukowski]

If God is not a respected of persons, those who are respecters of persons must not be of ........

 

Oh never mind 

 

[mormonnewb]

I am so very ashamed of all of you "ark steadiers."  How dare you criticize the parking habits of those that the Lord chose to put in charge of stake center parking?  If the Lord didn't want separate but unequal parking, He would have changed it a long time ago!  After all, isn't it the Lord's parking lot?

 

Once again, perhaps someone can explain to me how many faithful members are more than happy to publicly criticize (and even flat out defy) stake leadership but would consider questioning the wisdom of an apostle as being the sin next to porn.  At stake here (no pun intended) is whether one of us needs to walk an extra 50 feet to get to a meeting.  Yet, decisions that kept the blessings of the temple from blacks, and keep the blessings of the priesthood from women, and any hope of a decent life for gays and lesbians are not even be questioned, right?

 

It seems to me that if we have deference for apostles under the theory that they were chosen by HF to fulfill those callings, then that same deference should extend all the way down the line.  What am I missing here?

[ERayR]

I am so very ashamed of all of you "ark steadiers."  How dare you criticize the parking habits of those that the Lord chose to put in charge of stake center parking?  If the Lord didn't want separate but unequal parking, He would have changed it a long time ago!  After all, isn't it the Lord's parking lot?

 

Once again, perhaps someone can explain to me how many faithful members are more than happy to publicly criticize (and even flat out defy) stake leadership but would consider questioning the wisdom of an apostle as being the sin next to porn.  At stake here (no pun intended) is whether one of us needs to walk an extra 50 feet to get to a meeting.  Yet, decisions that kept the blessings of the temple from blacks, and keep the blessings of the priesthood from women, and any hope of a decent life for gays and lesbians are not even be questioned, right?

 

It seems to me that if we have deference for apostles under the theory that they were chosen by HF to fulfill those callings, then that same deference should extend all the way down the line.  What am I missing here?

 

Oh the irony of this post from one who would call the General Authorities to repentance yet would chide those who would question a Stake Presidents actions. 

Edited July 22, 2014 by ERayR

[mormonnewb]

Oh the irony of this post from one who would call the General Authorities to repentance yet would chide those who would question a Stake Presidents actions. 

 

No, irony at all.  Just so we're clear, I can be just as critical of local leaders (or random posters on a message board).  In truth, I am unfairly judgmental of ALL.  But that's just one of my (many) generic character flaws.

 

My question is how do you more righteous saints justify selective judgment, whereby apostles are free from ALL critique and judgment while local leaders can be lambasted for even the most trivial of missteps?

[ERayR]

 

My question is how do you more righteous saints justify selective judgment, whereby apostles are free from ALL critique and judgment while local leaders can be lambasted for even the most trivial of missteps?

 

If your talking to me you absolutely have the wrong impression.  I don't think I have lambasted any local leaders for any missteps.  If I have I sincerely repent. I think I have consistently said if you have a problem with your local leaders make an appointment and talk to them then let the Lord handle it.  As for the GA's, because I am not in a position to see the big picture, I have a tendency to leave the correcting strictly up to God.

Edited July 22, 2014 by ERayR