Byu: The Hottest, The Smartest, And The Stone-Cold Soberest!

[Kenngo1969]

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsinternet/57764484-71/byu-smart-students-university.html.csp

[Buzzard]

Well, duh. I could have told them this in 1980. And while I think the women were just as cute back then, GPA's and test scores prove that the average student there has definitely gotten smarter over the decades. BYU is something the church can be justifiably proud of. And not just because of the football team. 

[stemelbow]

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsinternet/57764484-71/byu-smart-students-university.html.csp

 

Thanks for pointing this out and exposing me to those mindless, remarkably angry trib comments. 

[Kenngo1969]

Thanks for pointing this out and exposing me to those mindless, remarkably angry trib comments. 

Sure, no problem!  ("There must be opposition in all things"!)

 

P.S.: The Trib's comments should feature more than the usual disclaimer ("Comments are the responsibility of individual commenters and not of The Salt Lake Tribune: "prepare yourself for mindless invective and ad hominem, particularly with respect to stories about anything remotely relating to with the Mormon Church ..." )

Edited April 3, 2014 by Kenngo1969

[Kenngo1969]

Well, duh. I could have told them this in 1980. And while I think the women were just as cute back then, GPA's and test scores prove that the average student there has definitely gotten smarter over the decades. [Emphasis added by Kenngo1969.] BYU is something the church can be justifiably proud of. And not just because of the football team. 

I don't know ... there is the whole "grade-inflation-and-dumbing-down-of-testing" debate ...  

Edited April 3, 2014 by Kenngo1969

[stemelbow]

Sure, no problem!  ("There must be opposition in all things"!)

 

P.S.: The Trib's comments should feature more than the usual disclaimer ("Comments are the responsibility of individual commenters and not of The Salt Lake Tribune: "prepare yourself for mindless invective and ad hominem, particularly with respect to stories about anything remotely relating to with the Mormon Church ..." )

 

lol.  About weekly I show up in trib comments just to see what the fuss is about nowadays.  I fear some of them really struggle with reality. 

[Kenngo1969]

lol.  About weekly I show up in trib comments just to see what the fuss is about nowadays.  I fear some of them really struggle with reality. 

[Glenn101]

lol.  About weekly I show up in trib comments just to see what the fuss is about nowadays.  I fear some of them really struggle with reality. 

 

I struggle with reality myself. Bad feet, bad hair, bad breath when I don't brush my teeth. Reality just isn't all that it is cracked up to be. Maybe that is why so many posters on the Trib fail the reality check. 

 

Glenn

[Kenngo1969]

I struggle with reality myself. Bad feet, bad hair, bad breath when I don't brush my teeth. Reality just isn't all that it is cracked up to be. Maybe that is why so many posters on the Trib fail the reality check. 

 

Glenn

Reality sucks!  (I like the voices!  They keep me company! )

[omni]

 And yet the University of Utah (aka, the school of the prophets) is this better than the Y.  

[Kenngo1969]

 And yet the University of Utah (aka, the school of the prophets) is this better than the Y.  

Meh.  Depends.  I can completely understand why someone who grew up in a minority-Mormon community (in some cases, a miniscule minority) might want to go to school In The Shadow of The Everlasting Hills.  I applied to BYU, but they didn't let me in.  (I probably would've had to have a 4.0 undergrad GPA and a 180 LSAT ... )  I got a couple other offers from schools in California, but even with honors at entrance, it didn't make fiscal sense for me to go there. And given the fact that my degree, thus far, has been about as useful as toilet paper, I'm glad I didn't pay three or four times what I actually paid to get it.

[mormonnewb]

Given the methodology employed here (students rated their schools), it's clear that the BYU students find themselves to be the hottest and smartest. I guess it's time to change the slogan from "modest is hottest" to "narcissism is (whatever rhymes with narcissism)".

Well, the really important thing is that none of their shoulders will be showing.

[Kenngo1969]

Given the methodology employed here (students rated their schools), it's clear that the BYU students find themselves to be the hottest and smartest. I guess it's time to change the slogan from "modest is hottest" to "narcissism is (whatever rhymes with narcissism)".

Well, the really important thing is that none of their shoulders will be showing.

I'm so sorry the article/survey under discussion isn't methodologically rigorous enough for you!  It sucks, but what're ya gonna do!  Cheers!

[omni]

Come on Kenngo, proudly show your Utah spirit!

[Kenngo1969]

Come on Kenngo, proudly show your Utah spirit!

OK.

 

[mormonnewb]

I'm so sorry the article/survey under discussion isn't methodologically rigorous enough for you! It sucks, but what're ya gonna do! Cheers!

I just wanted to make sure that we were all clear on what the results of the survey says about our BYU students. It says that they think more highly of themselves than any other group of college kids in the country. Congrats?

BYU is an excellent school but these students rated their "smarts" more highly than the students from MIT, Cal Tech and the like rated themselves.

Is this the modesty that is always being preached? Or in Mormon-ese, is modesty simply measured by the length of one's skirt?

[Kenngo1969]

I just wanted to make sure that we were all clear on what the results of the survey says about our BYU students. It says that they think more highly of themselves than any other group of college kids in the country. Congrats?

BYU is an excellent school but these students rated their "smarts" more highly than the students from MIT, Cal Tech and the like rated themselves.

Is this the modesty that is always being preached? Or in Mormon-ese, is modesty simply measured by the length of one's skirt?

I think you're making entirely too much of this.  I have absolutely no idea whether BYU students really think they're smarter, better looking, et cetera than students anywhere else.  I didn't even go there, so I don't have a dog in that fight.  With due respect, you seem to have an annoying habit of passing judgment on people you've never met (Yours Truly included).  If that's what floats your boat, fine and dandy, but please do it from outside the thread.  You can even send me a Poison PM if you like.  Tootle-loo! 

[mormonnewb]

I think you're making entirely too much of this.  I have absolutely no idea whether BYU students really think they're smarter, better looking, et cetera than students anywhere else.  I didn't even go there, so I don't have a dog in that fight.  With due respect, you seem to have an annoying habit of passing judgment on people you've never met (Yours Truly included).  If that's what floats your boat, fine and dandy, but please do it from outside the thread.  You can even send me a Poison PM if you like.  Tootle-loo!

Someone passing judgment on a discussion board? Say it ain't so!

So, just so I understand the ground rules on YOUR threads: When you post a link to a news article for discussion, the only permissible discussion is to say how wonderful the news article is? Is this a Kenngo rule or is it board wide? And what if the article is anti-Mormon, must I agree with it then?

[Kenngo1969]

Someone passing judgment on a discussion board? Say it ain't so!

So, just so I understand the ground rules on YOUR threads: When you post a link to a news article for discussion, the only permissible discussion is to say how wonderful the news article is? Is this a Kenngo rule or is it board wide? And what if the article is anti-Mormon, must I agree with it then?

You're overgeneralizing, and I think purposefully so.  Although we've never met, you seem to me to be a person of above-average intelligence, so playing dumb doesn't become you.  Not all threads are created equal.  I rarely even start the damn things, if you want to know the truth, and you've reminded me why.  You showed up in what was essentially a light-hearted thread about a light-hearted newspaper article and demanded that we treat it with deathly seriousness by applying a stringent standard of methodological rigorousness to it that nobody else intends.  Protestations of ignorance aside, I don't, for a minute, think that you're not smart enough to understand that different threads have different purposes, and to comport yourself accordingly (including not participating, if a certain thread doesn't happen to be your cup of [herbal!] tea; which, once again, is the course of action I would highly recommend to you with respect to this thread). 

Edited April 4, 2014 by Kenngo1969

[Calm]

I just wanted to make sure that we were all clear on what the results of the survey says about our BYU students. It says that they think more highly of themselves than any other group of college kids in the country. Congrats?

BYU is an excellent school but these students rated their "smarts" more highly than the students from MIT, Cal Tech and the like rated themselves.

Is this the modesty that is always being preached? Or in Mormon-ese, is modesty simply measured by the length of one's skirt?

It may be a result of simply having a high opinion of those around one and not necessarily such a high opinion of oneself. I have noticed LDS tend to rate others much higher than they rate themselves, whether this is realistic or something else, it may be a result of just thinking generously about others while being more realistic or demanding of oneself.

PS: and I think the rating was about being both hot and smart, so perhaps MIT students think of themselves as smart but not that hot.

Edited April 4, 2014 by calmoriah

[Tacenda]

Last night I watched a BYU athlete awards show on BYU-TV. They showed a video someone made of the different athletes and coaches...they were able to replace what they really said, with some hilarious stuff! Add comedians to the list!

[Kenngo1969]

Last night I watched a BYU athlete awards show on BYU-TV. They showed a video someone made of the different athletes and coaches...they were able to replace what they really said, with some hilarious stuff! Add comedians to the list!

And the irony of MormonNewb's participation in this thread is that he was the one, a few months ago, who started the thread about Mormons needing to learn to laugh at ourselves.

[Tacenda]

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Edited April 4, 2014 by Tacenda

[Kenngo1969]

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Doh!    (You only get so many of those things a day, My Love!  You should be more careful!)

[readstoomuch]

BYU is a great school. My education was far better than the one I thought I was given. As far as fair, balanced, science, and church history-all taught both sides of the issues well. That is where I became convinced that evolution was the principle by which man progressed to what he was supposed to be. They helped me put the pieces back together after my faith crisis.

With my youngest kids, they worry that despite being super smart or athletic that they won`t get into BYU-Provo. No athletics at BYUI, so one of my kids will probably end up taking an athletic scholarship at a school that is not quite over the top as BYU. I just hope and pray that they have a great institute program and they stay close to the Church. I do think Utah State, U of U, University of Idaho and a number of other state schools near Utah do well by LDS students. Some of them go out of their way to try and get them to their schools. So good for BYU, but I think the problem of only so many spots at BYU is not going away. In that case, I think it has to be about making sure that institute problems are as topnotch and funded as need be. I have never experienced an Institute as a student, but I am impressed with what I saw at Logan and Moscow..