Byu: The Hottest, The Smartest, And The Stone-Cold Soberest!

[Kenngo1969]

I'm not sure about the school's reputation or whether it offers anything your kids would be interested in (or the reputation of those individual programs), but there's always Utah Valley University, as well.  It would afford them proximity to BYU and (perhaps, although I admit I'm speaking from complete ignorance here) the opportunity to participate in some things which "bleed over" or "cross pollinate" between the two schools (if anything does).  I'm quite sure that UVU has a strong Institute program though.

Edited April 4, 2014 by Kenngo1969

[Calm]

I'm not sure about the school's reputation or whether it offers anything your kids would be interested in (or the reputation of those individual programs), but there's always Utah Valley University, as well.  It would afford them proximity to BYU and (perhaps, although I admit I'm speaking from complete ignorance here) the opportunity to participate in some things which "bleed over" or "cross pollinate" between the two schools (if anything does).  I'm quite sure that UVU has a strong Institute program though.

It has a strong institute and depending on the program the reputation can be quite good (UVU was top international champs in ballroom dancing a bit back when we first moved down, don't know what their program is doing now in that area).  They have a wonderful culinary school, flight school…can ask about other programs if anyone wants me to.

Edited April 4, 2014 by calmoriah

[readstoomuch]

Daughter wants pre-professional pathway and son does track. They both want to go to BYU and I think it would be good for them, but the oldest one is being recruited by every school under the sun except BYU. For a white kid, he is pretty fast and is one of those 4.0 honor students. My guess is that he will probably get 10 scholarship offers before BYU yawns and says, "maybe we should look at this kid-no there`s about 2000 in this stack just like him."

I will look at UVU, but that doesn`t fix the overall problem-not enough BYU to go around. If they had kept sports at BYUI, I can`t tell you what a perfect school that would have been for my son.

[mormonnewb]

It may be a result of simply having a high opinion of those around one and not necessarily such a high opinion of oneself. I have noticed LDS tend to rate others much higher than they rate themselves, whether this is realistic or something else, it may be a result of just thinking generously about others while being more realistic or demanding of oneself.PS: and I think the rating was about being both hot and smart, so perhaps MIT students think of themselves as smart but not that hot.

Good point about the joint hot/smart hypothesis. Even MIT students aren't smart enough to talk themselves into believing that they're hot too

As for the "everyone is hot/smart but me" explanation, I agree that we Mormons tend to compliment others and not ourselves. But I'm not so sure that this isn't just bragging my extension. For instance, if I think that my family members are really good looking, then I likely think that I'm also good looking (or adopted). The same is true for my college. It certainly can't be the case that every BYU student thinks that he/she is the one "dummy" who slipped through the cracks.

Now, don't get me wrong. If these kids are anything like the ones in my ward, then they are ALL already far better people than I am. However, I do see a tendency towards group aggrandizement amongst the saints that is not there with other groups. For instance, Yeshiva U. wasn't anywhere on the list. In fact, I think we might be the only religious school at or near the top of the rankings.

I don't think it's a matter of "life or death," but I do think that our next sacrament talk on modesty might deal with more than just fashion choices.

[mfbukowski]

Good point about the joint hot/smart hypothesis. Even MIT students aren't smart enough to talk themselves into believing that they're hot too

As for the "everyone is hot/smart but me" explanation, I agree that we Mormons tend to compliment others and not ourselves. But I'm not so sure that this isn't just bragging my extension. For instance, if I think that my family members are really good looking, then I likely think that I'm also good looking (or adopted). The same is true for my college. It certainly can't be the case that every BYU student thinks that he/she is the one "dummy" who slipped through the cracks.

Now, don't get me wrong. If these kids are anything like the ones in my ward, then they are ALL already far better people than I am. However, I do see a tendency towards group aggrandizement amongst the saints that is not there with other groups. For instance, Yeshiva U. wasn't anywhere on the list. In fact, I think we might be the only religious school at or near the top of the rankings.

I don't think it's a matter of "life or death," but I do think that our next sacrament talk on modesty might deal with more than just fashion choices.

Volunteer to the Bishop to give that talk and then report back how it went.

[Kenngo1969]

Good point about the joint hot/smart hypothesis. Even MIT students aren't smart enough to talk themselves into believing that they're hot too

As for the "everyone is hot/smart but me" explanation, I agree that we Mormons tend to compliment others and not ourselves. But I'm not so sure that this isn't just bragging my extension. For instance, if I think that my family members are really good looking, then I likely think that I'm also good looking (or adopted). The same is true for my college. It certainly can't be the case that every BYU student thinks that he/she is the one "dummy" who slipped through the cracks.

Now, don't get me wrong. If these kids are anything like the ones in my ward, then they are ALL already far better people than I am. However, I do see a tendency towards group aggrandizement amongst the saints that is not there with other groups. For instance, Yeshiva U. wasn't anywhere on the list. In fact, I think we might be the only religious school at or near the top of the rankings.

I don't think it's a matter of "life or death," but I do think that our next sacrament talk on modesty might deal with more than just fashion choices.

What's this ... ?  A substantive contribution to the thread ... from MormonNewb???  Whodathunk?

 

P.S.: And I agree with you, by the way, that there's more than one dimension to "modesty."  I simply don't think that this clearly tongue-in-cheek "distinction" is the textbook definition of that sort of immodesty, and/or that it's all that worth getting worked up about.

Edited April 4, 2014 by Kenngo1969

[mormonnewb]

Volunteer to the Bishop to give that talk and then report back how it went.

Considering that my last talk on the subject began with me comparing us to the Amish (just without the festive hats ... and rumspringa), I may not be the best person to deliver this message.

Edited April 4, 2014 by mormonnewb

[rameumptom]

My only issue with BYU is that I have to subsidize rich kids going there, but my tithes don't subsidize a poor Mormon kid going to the University of Indiana or any other college.  Why should these kids be fiscally punished, simply because 1) they chose a different school to attend, or 2) they didn't get accepted into BYU?   Better to spend our tithes elsewhere in a way that benefits all members, regardless of race, age, sex, or alma mater.

[Calm]

My only issue with BYU is that I have to subsidize rich kids going there, but my tithes don't subsidize a poor Mormon kid going to the University of Indiana or any other college.  Why should these kids be fiscally punished, simply because 1) they chose a different school to attend, or 2) they didn't get accepted into BYU?   Better to spend our tithes elsewhere in a way that benefits all members, regardless of race, age, sex, or alma mater.

There is a good chance that rich parents of BYU students have paid tithing in excess of subsidising benefits though, if that is a concern.