Changes to BYU Admissions Policy

[Stargazer]

15 hours ago, smac97 said:

No, I didn't.  You did.

You suggested her remarks are somehow on par with someone else being a "non-seminary goer."

Whatchoo talkin' about, Willis?!

Malarky.  I referenced "nominal members of the Church who, upon graduating, turn around and bash BYU, the Church, its leaders, its members, etc. for any and every grievance under the sun."

Nothing in there about "non-seminary goers."

I agree.  I don't think the Church is interested in such "control."

But the Church is interested in fostering the faith of its members.  People who despise the Church, who publicly (though often anonymously) slander and disparage and insult it while at the same time exploiting its good will by getting an excellent education subsidized by the Church and the Widow's Mite, are not behaving well, and perhaps should not be given the privilege of attending BYU, and whose slot at BYU could instead be given to someone who will not spit upon the religious group providing and subsidizing their education.

And yes, I think such behavior renders them "nominal" members, since adjectives like "devout" or "observant" or "sincere" don't seem to fit.

Oh, brother.  Again, I referenced "nominal members of the Church who, upon graduating, turn around and bash BYU, the Church, its leaders, its members, etc. for any and every grievance under the sun."

You then came along and suggested that a "non-seminary goer" might be construed as "nominal."  I didn't say that.  The Church didn't say that.  You did.

I don't understand.  You are describing yourself as a "nominal" member, and the point of that is . . . what?

What a lot of crapola.  You referenced "non-seminary goers" as "nominal."  I did not.

Then why are you White Knighting for them?

I referenced "nominal members of the Church who, upon graduating, turn around and bash BYU, the Church, its leaders, its members, etc. for any and every grievance under the sun."

This, in your view, is "judgmental and offensive?"

-Smac

And, for you, @HappyJackWagon, just to add to what I wrote in my previous post, every single baptized and non-excommunicated member of the Church is a nominal member.  If you're on the records of the Church, so you're a "nominal" Latter-day Saint.  Thus even President Nelson is a "nominal" Latter-day Saint.

[Stargazer]

14 hours ago, RevTestament said:

Actually, I'll credit you for the idea of JSU - ha - although I'm sure there have been others with the thought. Yeah, SVU is essentially LDS according to what I know, but is still quite private, officially unaffiliated school, and somewhat expensive. It is kinda out in the boonies though, so I think some other place would be better. I figure perhaps there is no time like the present to get started on the New Jerusalem...  hence my suggestion of the Independence area. Nevertheless, my personal guess (Unresearched)  is that there will be more schools available further East. That is essentially what Duke did. He bought Trinity College, and then built a whole new campus to the west, and made it one of the preeminent universities of the nation. Rather than trying to make the main BYU campus bigger or limit students more, I think the Church would be better off starting a new University back East - buying a pretty little liberal arts campus is not a bad way to start. I would have considered BYU if it was closer - at the time I wanted to attend a school within one day's driving distance from home.

While I kind of resonate with the idea of a Church-sponsored university in the godless* Eastern seaboard (just kidding), I don't think that the Church considers it to be their job to provide secular education in these latter days, so I doubt this would ever happen.  Although I might be wrong -- the Church hasn't divested itself of any of the BYUs despite surely having plenty of opportunity to do so.  And I was surprised to find that the Church-founded and -owned institution known as LDS Business College is still in operation and is nearly as old as BYU.

* Brigham Young once said: "I hope to see an Academy established in Provo... at which the children of the Latter-day Saints can receive a good education unmixed with the pernicious atheistic influences that are found in so many of the higher schools of the country."

[Stargazer]

nevermind

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[Hamba Tuhan]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

I suppose it may be possible that attitudes towards having church schools may change over time as college culture changes especially if marriage rates within the Church drop significantly for those attending nonlds schools, so Pres. Hinckley’s pov might be outdated sometime sooner or later.

What percentage of Latter-day Saint young people globally do you think attend Church-owned universities? I can't imagine it's been anything more than a small fraction for many, many years.

19 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

The Church hasn't divested itself of any of the BYUs despite surely having plenty of opportunity to do so.

As I noted above, Pres Hinckley told my mission president that the Church would love to divest itself of its universities if only the opportunity would arise. Who exactly do you think would want one of them? Or be able to pay to run it without enormous tithing subsidies?

[Stargazer]

nevermind

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[Stargazer]

nevermind

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[Stargazer]

nevermind.

Now, four neverminds in a row.  I need to start slowing down my posts.

For the record, I got REALLY overwrought about that Jaclyn Foster thing, largely because I have a very overwrought history with someone who by wishing and hoping for someone's death almost put me over the edge into deadly violence.  So it got too personal for me.  I'm staying away from this one from now on.

Let the derail continue then.

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[Stargazer]

19 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

As I noted above, Pres Hinckley told my mission president that the Church would love to divest itself of its universities if only the opportunity would arise. Who exactly do you think would want one of them? Or be able to pay to run it without enormous tithing subsidies?

I had actually heard this before.  Did he tell it to someone who subsequently reported it in public?

Maybe Huntsman could?

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[Hamba Tuhan]

22 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

I had actually heard this before.  Did he tell it to someone who subsequently reported it in public?

Me!

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

What percentage of Latter-day Saint young people globally do you think attend Church-owned universities? I can't imagine it's been anything more than a small fraction for many, many years.

This is why I would be interested to see rates, to see if it is high enough to make a difference,  not likely worldwide of course, but in North America. There are a lot of marriages coming out of the church schools. Every ward in the US and Canada I have been in had a number of active couples who had met at BYU (have always lived in upper middle class areas, so this may be why; have no clue if this is relatively consistent throughout the countries). Given the wealth in the US and Canada, keeping the numbers up there helps supports the Church worldwide, I believe (as it should, we in Canada and the US have been ridiculously blessed in many ways from what I have seen and heard and should be constantly looking at ways to share these blessings).

Haven’t been in nonNorth America areas long enough to see how marriage works there, how couples meet, rates of part member families and how that affects staying active. Am very curious, so would love to hear what it’s like in your area. 

Edited August 6, 2019 by Calm